certainly...

http://www.levitt.com/hebrew/commandments.html

Hmmm it say's “Thou Shalt Not Kill”
— Ex. 20:.

then they go on to interpret their own way.

Like I said it can't be amended,
the original scripture says.

“Thou Shalt Not Kill”

Anything anyone say's after is
only how they wish to interpret
it...Amend.

So since it say's Thou Shalt Not Kill
it means Thou Shalt Not Kill.

well, they translated the hebrew, which WAS the original text(or as far back as they can discern)

they gave the hebrew words which are easily researched for meaning,,,


here are a NUMBER of other translations which toggle between not kill and not murder

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV

lol exactly and the word was kill and kill means kill.

lol.,.not exactly

here are a NUMBER of other translations which toggle between not kill and not murder

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/13/12 06:49 PM

lol.,.not exactly

here are a NUMBER of other translations which toggle between not kill and not murder

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/13/12 06:49 PM

Do you hate me, why must you make me copy and paste links lol.

I hate NOONE

lol,,,I failed at making the link for some reason

Beg to differ.

A scholar of Hebrew once said to me in this reguards.

Thou should not commit murder.

so then how many translations exist between the original and your ears.

In order to fully understand the Word of God,

the WHOLE of God's Word has to be taken into consideration....


that is why it is important to not take scripture out of

context....all of scripture has to be applied......and again,

that is why the study of ALL of the Word of God is important.



Also...In translating to the english language, some words may

have more than one meaning thruout scripture....that is

why it is also good to study the original greek and

hebrew texts....by doing so, one is able to gleem even

further insight into the full meaning of God's Word.


The Word of God has layers of depth and richness....we can

get immediate understanding...but then beneath the first

layer of understanding lies many deeper levels ..that are

revealed as we grow more and more in the Word.


This is also why having the Holy Spirit is important(The Holy

Spirit Indwells all believers when they are born

again.....and now also is the One Who leads and guides All

believers into All the Truth of God's Word ).


But until then,God still gives enough undersanding of God's

Word to everyone ,so all may understand His Word....even a child

can understand...


but again , when it comes to the deeper study of God's Word, God

reveals this only after we are saved...AFTER our spiritual

eyes are now open... so we now can see and fully understand all of

God's Word fully now( whereas before we are not able to fully

understand all contained in God's Word yet, because our

spiritual eyes are not yet open)...


but once we are saved ( born again ), we now not only have

our spiritual eyes opened now......but we also have The

Holy Spirit Indwelling us and teaching us and helping us and

guiding us into ALL the Truth of God's Word now.


The Word of God becomes our nourishment...thus helping us to grow...

in other words....The Word of God becomes our Daily Bread now.

That is why there is Life in the Word.

That is because God IS the Word.

The Living Word.

My issue is that it is a modern translation
and that in our decrepit society we are
not allowed to make amendments on the
scriptures to suit our needs.

Jesus was non violent and killed no one
did not start any wars or go to battle.

we should turn the other cheek and love
our enemies.

No matter what you should not kill,
let them kill you and god will sort
it out. not you.

how do you imagined he fed the people fish? I think it was probably DEAD first,,,,somehow,,,

Jesus most definately did not condon abortion.

It is plain within the book as it is held by the Catholics.

I give it back in the Gems I have picked from its Sands.

The Mother is Immaculate and can commit no sins.

The child she carries is the Purest of the Innocent. The Child of God.

and has commited no sin.

Brilliant Gem.

Is it not indeed true?

The unborn has done nothing but snuggle with its mother in the embrace of comfort.

she feeds it and breaths for it.

Any thing one does that effects the mother effects also the child within.

Therefore one can not punish her for anything. You would cause pain to an innocent.

so she is in Gods eyes.

Immaculate.

For the Child she carries.

A lesson must be understood...

Before one can apply it to Reality.

hmm they would need to go in to more detail about the fish
which sadly they don't so...

You are making one grave error in the comparison between the killing of animals and the killing of another human.

God does not, and neither does Jesus, condone the killing and/or murdering of any individual for any reason.

EXCEPT.

In that reason is strictly for the purpose of nourishment; i.e., food.

If God himself did not wish for us to eat fish, beef, steak, or any other product of the killing of animals, he would NOT have made predatory animals; because the thought would be entirely against his own cause.

Wolves kill. Bears kill.

Are they deemed sinners even though they act as they were created to act? No.

However, to kill a fish simply to kill it; now that would be a sin.

Killing that same fish to eat; that is different.

So, now that that's settled..
..who's down for pizza?

I'm hungry.

>.>

Me too!!!

Pepperoni pizza anyone?


Heck...right now I'll even settle for plain ole cheese !!

Btw...I agree again ,with what you wrote, Sin-and_Sorrow.

I like this

(And I am simply debating the meaning of the
text, not if killing is right or wrong as I believe
there are good reasons to kill.)

Exodus is pretty interesting but how the quote used above really translates is matter that not even scholors seem to agree on.

[color-red]22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The English language is phrased in very different logical order than most other languages and even more so when compared with ancient biblical writing. Verbs, nouns, adjectives prepositions... all have different placement. I remember reading that some scholars believe that the mischief/harm above was being associated with the woman. The fact was that the woman was considered more important than a baby because if she was healthy she could have more babies.

I did a quick check and didn't find the information but I repeated as best as I remember just becuase it was interesting.

Also, I think the OP mentioned something about there being no opinion on eating beef.

So I included another section of Exodus below - interesting




So ox (beef) was good to eat unless the ox was murderer then it could not be consumed.

I'm not sure about the owners fate but 'quit' doesn't sound good.

Exodus 21 has a lot of those funny rules about servents.

I dont know if there is talk about a baby DYING, implied in it departing from the mother


I think, the 'if no other harm follow' may actually indicate that the fruit still lives,,,


but, there is no CLEAR context or further explanation

Perhaps to a womans eyes there is not.

to the eyes of a man however Exodus 22 explaines in exact detail what will be the punishment.

It give such punishment over to the father.

Kill my child and you will die.

One hopes then that the community step in before my anger answers Judgement.