of course love is open to interpretation

there is the love of a parent for a child
the love of a friend for a friend
the love of a lover for a lover
the love of a spouse for a spouse

Gods love had nothing to do with sex , but we include it in our 'loving' relationships regularly

so its easy for someone to interpret sex as part of expressing 'love' to someone, even though that has little to do with the type of love God shared with the world

and, even a culturally labeled 'pedophile' in modern times could be of the same mindset that many in biblical times had of wanting to 'love' , protect, nurture, provide for a young person

in their mind, there may be no intent to harm and and every intent to 'love'

ok..word games

god is love
love is god

It is that simple.

love is god, SEX is not,,

the issue of who to have sex with , is not the same issue as who to 'love' and not as clearly defined unless you consider the common definitions of fornication and adultery,,,,,

AND Also Are the SAME ONE GOD.

..yes, yes.

That too.

-.-

OMFG...
here ya go with the sex crap..
no one is talking about sex except you...AGAIN.

If those who are devoted to their bible twist the meaning behind..
"As i have loved you, love one another"

then there are some serious issues and maybe therapy is needed for their perversion cause this scripture has NOTING to do with sex.
ONLY a pervert would think it does!

actually, the post above where you stated

'in a way he did'


mentioned sex with a child,,,,

In the same way that a bunion is a living thing. All depends on the stage of development.

Prior to the neural tube completing formation there is no reason to see a fetus as anything other than cellular outgrowth comparative to any other.

If life of that order is sacred then so is your bunion or wart.

The facts are that as women are able to control the reproductive process societies are made more stable, and healthy.

Contraception and access to early abortions and information is vital to a society.

How long does a bunion have to grow, before it can start thinking and feeling and having emotions?

How long for a fetus that never develops a neural tube?

Or for that matter when does a fetus start thinking? Actual thought? Not just neuronal activity but REAL thought?


Trying to legislate from the potential of a group of cells is a big mistake with far reaching ramifications.

Legislating from the perspective of the reproductive rights of an individual is healthy for society and has direct impact on the standard of living for all.

so many things Jesus may or may not have said that just isnt in the Bible, regarding issues like pedophilia, beastiality, abortion, open marriage,,etc,,,


not sure if that is a clear indication that he

'wasnt against' them or not,,,,,,,,we just have to use our interpretation of his attitude toward those things he does discuss and apply it ,,,,,

Its interesting to me this line of thought.

Would we think that the things most important to him were things he spoke of often and made the biggest deal of? (I think if you do this you realize he was interested in keeping his flock close at hand and away from the other institutions he directly competed with)

Personally I think if he existed he was nothing more than a common huckster of the kind we see all the time, he takes some old stories and stitches them together into a prophetic legacy and gets some folks to follow him. So from that perspective Joesph Smith has just as much credibility, ie none.

He did come at a time when many would have been disillusioned with the establishment, always a good time to start a new following, that is true of both men.

Personally I think its far better to ask WWMMD.
What would Micky Mouse Do? He was always an affable character with truly pure values.

I do think he spoke of those things, love of your neighbor, suffering not little children, etc,,,

he spoke of love often and gave examples which can be applied easily to other situations besides the situations he may have specifically cited

I think thats called applying LOGIC,,when you take what you learn in one situation and apply it to another,,,

Love and logic, ohhh boy!

I would call that an appeal to emotion, not use of proper logic, but hey each to there own.

each to there own.

No man will think anything he does is sin,

UNTIL

GOD DRAWS man FIRST.... and CONVICTS him of his neeed for Jesus

as Saviour(and btw....JESUS came to SAVE the world and NOT to

CONDEMN the world )...


also, when God DRAWS man until him, God also will CONVICT man

of his sin...

but NOT until then will man think anything he does is

sin.....and

that is just the way the natural mind of man is... UNTIL he

is SAVED(born again), that is ....


BUT... when he is BORN AGAIN, everything suddenly

CHANGES....because his SPIRITUAL eyes now are OPENED ..and he

now can SEE....

because he has now become a new creature in Christ...


And because he is now born again, he can no longer sin

without GRIEVING the Holy Spirit INDWELLING him now.

And this is why , for any believer to be pointing out

the sins of the unbelievers, is absolutely ridiculous.....and

really quite sad.....and is Not even SCRIPTURAL ...


GOD NEVER CALLED US TO CONDEMN THE WORLD....EVER...BUT TO BE

A LIGHT IN THE WORLD........AND TO LOVE THE WORLD TO

CHRIST !!!!

WE BELIEVERS NEED TO LET THEM SEE JESUS IN US !!!!!!!!!!!!


We ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God....NOT

JUST SOME....we ALL are in need of Salvation...and without God

FIRST DRAWING us and CONVICTING US FIRST, and then GOD SAVING US

(yes.. GOD SAVES US and is NOT of OUR own doing at all),

we ALL would STILL be lost in our sins...

so who are we to judge the world???????


We believers were NEVER told to judge or correct the sins of

the unbelievers......but to only correct and teach those ONLY IN

OUR OWN FLOCK...and ONLY ONLY ONLY AFTER some in the flock

just keep on sinning and sinning and sinning and refuse to

be teachable AT ALL)....

but we are to LOVE THE WORLD TO CHRIST......

LOVE....LOVE......LOVE......

we were NEVER

called to CONDEMN the World !!!!



WHEN we ALL get this...

WHEN WE START LIFTING UP JESUS....

INSTEAD OF LIFTING UP AND POINTING OUT THE SINS OF THE

WORLD........


THEN .....

GOD SAID IN HIS WORD,

THAT HE WOULD DRAW ALLLLLLLLLL MEN TOWARDS HIM !!!!

ALLL MEN !!!

AMEN.

but, here is the rub

in a public forum such as this,, there is much more than just the person posting information/misinformation

there is also the NUMBER of people who are reading it

in such a context, correct information is important to add to the discussion,,,,not to try to teach the non believer, but to try to re affirm and teach believers who may be reading and watching,,,

I see so much wrong with this tread
and wonder how any of you can actually
sit here and argue this with a straight
face.

I see people arguing abortion is wrong
then justifying war, saying that
"thou shall not kill" covers everything.

Well if it covers everything, you can
not later justify other acts of killing
no matter the reason..

Lets go back to abortion here for a second,
I am going to justify it right now, Mothers
life is in danger carrying the child for
health reasons. would killing that child
not be self defense therefore justifying
it?

No I am not arguing for abortion as I personally
have issue with doing with my own children.

I do not judge other on their choice as sometimes
that is whats best for the child.

My point is that it's either one or the other,
you either think killing is a sin or you don't.

there are no exceptions or you are a hypocrite.

choosing to take a human life is sinful
choosing to save one is not

in the case of a mother in grave danger , the decision to take a life is no longer in anyones hands as its been decided that SOMEONE will l ikely die,,

the issue then becomes , which do you save?


the same is true of self defense, when the issue of someone being harmed or killed is not a choice but a certainty

then the issue becomes , what to do to SAVE someones life (even our own)

the same is true of wars, or any situation where an aggression makes it certain that some will be hurt or killed

than the choice has changed from one of doing no harm, to allowing no harm to be done to,,,,,