It counts for me.

I don't expect everyone else to agree.

It is others, not me who bring up "Jews."

I am talking about Israel.

Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.

The thread is about the COST of Israel to America Jeannie, not the 6 day war, the USS Liberty, terrorism, or religion....

Personaly I blame 911 on our blind support of zionism, realy we didnt have eny enemies in the middle east untill we became "friends" with Israel

witzig!

It is possible that the USS Liberty had information that would be damaging to Israel and therefore had to be destroyed.


Americans have been sacrificed for decades all because of the war machine.


War is a massive industry.

Big Money in the killing game.


Loads and Loads of Dosh....Big guaranteed returns on investment.

All about the Money...whats a few thousand deaths to the money men.


Everyone has their Jews and for Israel it's The Paletinians.

Malarky,and you know it!
So you decide to spin the Conspiracy a bit further!

That is solid absolute proof that you are the one who is uneducated on the subject.

Read all of these websites before you disagree.

Most of the self styled Jews in Israel are not Semitic at all, and there are many Semitic Jews who are anti-Zionist.

Now how would you explain this?

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/



Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.

There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.

No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.

Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.

Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/


ANTI-ZIONIST ORTHODOX JEWS
HOLD PRESS CONFERENCE

http://www.nkusa.org/

Internationsl Jewish anti=Zionist Network.

http://www.ijsn.net/home/

Yes and you already explained that the money we send to Israel is spent for "defense" and weapons that have to be bought in America.

Therefore our own economy would go down the toilet if we were not in the business of war and weapons.

And then everyone else chimes in that Israel needs the money to "defend itself" against its enemies.

So I pose the question ....Why does Israel have so many enemies?

And I suggest that there is a reason for it. People and countries don't create enemies by being nice guys and humanitarians. The universe does NOT work that way.

Because of their war mongering invading of Egypt and Gaza and their claims that they are acting in "self defense" they can't be trusted either.

They attacked the USS Liberty, invaded Egypt, etc.

If the attack on the Liberty was a "mistake" then at the very least they are incompetent and can't be trusted with weapons.

They claim they made a mistake, they claim that everyone hates them and they claim they are acting in "self defense" when they bomb and invade another country.

That's a crock. They are bald faced liars.

And the money we send to Palestine is used to purchase weapons against Israel. So who is in the war for big business? The weapons manufacturers and dealers. America.

America makes weapons, Israel tests them on real people, and Americans buy more drugs than any country in the world.

So the rich Americans then, are basically in the drug pushing, arms dealing and drug smuggling business.

This is the kind of stuff Zionists do - against Jews.


Never Again Tour in New Jersey: what happened
Thursday, March 17, 2011

On January 29, 2011, the Never Again tour visited the Rutgers campus in New Jersey. Prior to the event, hate blogger Pamela Geller and Zionist pundit David Horowitz put out a call for demonstrations. Rutgers Hillel, with support from the local Jewish Federation, called for protest of the event. They objected to the humanitarian message of the event - Never Again for Anyone, including Palestinians.


http://www.ijsn.net/C98/

These are all costs in fact we could probably add the 70's oil embargo to the cost. Israel is a huge anchor on our economy in more than one way.
you cant put a price on our hypocracy in the eyes of the world.

Thank you!

The cost is not just monetary.

A lot of Americans have lost their lives due to Israels actions in the ME.

It is about time that you face up to that and participate in truth and not just trying to lock down Israeli threads.

Also if you are so concerned about injustice why the use of the rolling head emoticon....you are not alone in this practice.

Truth will win out in the end.

Lots of lives have been lost as a result of The support US gives to Israel

Concerning the above ridiculous post.

What kind of bigotry are you talking about?

Be specific.

1. It can't be racial, because its about Israeli's and I'm sure there are all different races of Israeli citizens living in Israel.

It can't be religious because Israeli Zionists are mostly secular atheists, and there are other religions living in Israel too.

So what kind of "bigotry" are you suggesting?

If it's anti-Zionism then you are correct. I am quite proud to claim to be anti-Zionist. It's like saying that I am anti-communist or anti-markist or anti-dictatorships.

So your silly assumption is..... empty and pathetic.

It's pathetic because I see no intelligent responses to my posts above. You don't have any. You have no valid argument.


You loose.

What I want to point out is that any time anyone says anything critical about Israel and why we should not be supporting them, people think the subject is against "Jews" all over the world.

And any time someone is anti-Zionism, for some odd reason some people jump on some weird ban wagon that anti-Zionism means Anti-Semitism.

They apparently did not read the sites I listed about all the Jewish movements against Zionism. If they want to be well informed, they would read what real Jews think about Zionism. They think it is Heresy.

But I don't think they want to really be well informed. Probably because they themselves are Zionist supporters.

Why anyone would be a Zionist supporter is beyond me.

Unless they have just been taken in by the propaganda.

Zionism is a political movement to establish Israel as a State any way possible. Israel was founded on violence and terrorism.

Zionism is not a religion and it is not a race. Recruiters for Zionism don't care what religion you are, and most of them are atheists and non-secular. They have nothing but disdain for the real religious Jews and Christians.

Nice game

State the facts

get called a biggot


Sorry I dont buy it.


If the French had done what Israel has done to us I would complain about that.


WHens the last time we captured French nationals passing secrets along to the soviets?(Pollard case)

Danceing when the twin towers got hit?

attempting to sink a ship at sea?
(USSLiberty)

All the while takeing our tax dollars. I know if the money given to Israel was invested in Ohio we would have better libraries, better schools, better roads, You name it that money would go along way.

http://common-phobias.com/Judeo/phobia.htm

Why that Irrational Fear?