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Topic: The Cost of Israel to Americans
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 11/25/11 11:49 AM
To claim that the six day war was a "miracle" is outrageous bad taste and a manipulation of religious fervor glorifying aggression, murder and war. Its shameful propaganda. and yours isn't?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 11:52 AM
To claim that the six day war was a "miracle" is outrageous bad taste and a manipulation of religious fervor glorifying aggression, murder and war. Its shameful propaganda. That film is exactly how it is. My relatives there were all too aware believe me of the impending war. There was proof of an impending war not only in Israel media but worldwide. What do you think Israel should have done then with enemies ready for war and about to attack? Defend themselves when they are attacked. NOT invade. Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone? In Colorado we have the "make my day" law. If someone breaks into our house and we are in fear of our life, we can shoot them. But we can't go to their house and shoot them. Do you see the difference? Defense is not attacking or invading because you are afraid what someone might do or because you know that your neighbor has weapons. geeeze.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 11:54 AM
To claim that the six day war was a "miracle" is outrageous bad taste and a manipulation of religious fervor glorifying aggression, murder and war. Its shameful propaganda. and yours isn't? No I never use religion to justify war or propaganda.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 11:55 AM
Attacking your enemy by surprise because you fear they are planning to attack you could just be paranoia. It is certainly not justification for going on the offensive.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 11/25/11 11:58 AM
To claim that the six day war was a "miracle" is outrageous bad taste and a manipulation of religious fervor glorifying aggression, murder and war. Its shameful propaganda. That film is exactly how it is. My relatives there were all too aware believe me of the impending war. There was proof of an impending war not only in Israel media but worldwide. What do you think Israel should have done then with enemies ready for war and about to attack? Defend themselves when they are attacked. NOT invade. Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone? In Colorado we have the "make my day" law. If someone breaks into our house and we are in fear of our life, we can shoot them. But we can't go to their house and shoot them. Do you see the difference? Defense is not attacking or invading because you are afraid what someone might do or because you know that your neighbor has weapons. geeeze. I can see you have no Idea! So you say that Israel was supposed to have waited until the Arabforces in the Sinai and elsewhere invaded? Do you have any Clue how big Israel was,and that the Lines would have been indefensible had they waited? But that of course doesn't really matter to you,since you seem to favor the Idea of an Israel-Nonexistence over its existence! That is the only way I can explain your Posts and attitude!

5apphire Joined Fri 11/11/11 Posts: 462	Fri 11/25/11 11:59 AM Edited by 5apphire on Fri 11/25/11 11:59 AM
Defend themselves when they are attacked. NOT invade. Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone? In Colorado we have the "make my day" law. If someone breaks into our house and we are in fear of our life, we can shoot them. But we can't go to their house and shoot them. Do you see the difference? Defense is not attacking or invading because you are afraid what someone might do or because you know that your neighbor has weapons. geeeze. That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:04 PM
This is what Leigh posted: 2.775 Billion went to military aid.....75% of this MUST be spent on defense purchases from the US... How does that make sense? We give them money but they have to spend it on defense and they have to purchase it from the US. Big Business, arms and war. Not only does Israel spend 75% of the total military aid we give them on US manufactured arms, they also test and develop weapon systems for us! Not simulated testing either!.... Yep, they test it on their neighbors. They test it on real people. This information is priceless and the results of the testing and development done by Israel and "given" to the US has, over time, tripled our arms sales which means it feeds our economy!.... War is Business. Proof. Aside from the obvious reason Israel needs military aid, a PRIMARY purpose of aid to other countries is to create foreign markets for US products, most especially arms sales.... War is Big Business. Proof. I rest my case. War is a fact of life Jeannie.... How it makes sense is this..It's common knowledge that military aid to all countries is treated this way...This will really tick you off...In most cases the required amount is 100% of the military aid from US to other countries be spent in US...We gave Israel a 25% discount.... I know that the U.S. is the super power of the world and that the main currency of the world is weapons, drugs, oil, gold, etc. Yes, war is the Business of the world. It's a shame. The CIA, Mossad, Black operations, globalization, the Elite bankers, own this world. They play everyone against each other and they don't care about sending OUR children, YOUR children off to die in a war. But nobody can tell me that we fight for our freedom, or that Israel is "just defending itself" or that kind of B.S. Every country fights for its very survival in a world of war and big business. What I hate are the lies and propaganda. They should just tell it like it is.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:05 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/25/11 12:06 PM
Defend themselves when they are attacked. NOT invade. Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone? In Colorado we have the "make my day" law. If someone breaks into our house and we are in fear of our life, we can shoot them. But we can't go to their house and shoot them. Do you see the difference? Defense is not attacking or invading because you are afraid what someone might do or because you know that your neighbor has weapons. geeeze. That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact. Why do you think that? Did Egypt have weapons of Mass destruction?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 11/25/11 12:06 PM
This is what Leigh posted: 2.775 Billion went to military aid.....75% of this MUST be spent on defense purchases from the US... How does that make sense? We give them money but they have to spend it on defense and they have to purchase it from the US. Big Business, arms and war. Not only does Israel spend 75% of the total military aid we give them on US manufactured arms, they also test and develop weapon systems for us! Not simulated testing either!.... Yep, they test it on their neighbors. They test it on real people. This information is priceless and the results of the testing and development done by Israel and "given" to the US has, over time, tripled our arms sales which means it feeds our economy!.... War is Business. Proof. Aside from the obvious reason Israel needs military aid, a PRIMARY purpose of aid to other countries is to create foreign markets for US products, most especially arms sales.... War is Big Business. Proof. I rest my case. War is a fact of life Jeannie.... How it makes sense is this..It's common knowledge that military aid to all countries is treated this way...This will really tick you off...In most cases the required amount is 100% of the military aid from US to other countries be spent in US...We gave Israel a 25% discount.... I know that the U.S. is the super power of the world and that the main currency of the world is weapons, drugs, oil, gold, etc. Yes, war is the Business of the world. It's a shame. The CIA, Mossad, Black operations, globalization, the Elite bankers, own this world. They play everyone against each other and they don't care about sending OUR children, YOUR children off to die in a war. But nobody can tell me that we fight for our freedom, or that Israel is "just defending itself" or that kind of B.S. Every country fights for its very survival in a world of war and big business. What I hate are the lies and propaganda. They should just tell it like it is. Oh Holy Paranoia!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:06 PM
I ask you again, Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:08 PM
This is what Leigh posted: 2.775 Billion went to military aid.....75% of this MUST be spent on defense purchases from the US... How does that make sense? We give them money but they have to spend it on defense and they have to purchase it from the US. Big Business, arms and war. Not only does Israel spend 75% of the total military aid we give them on US manufactured arms, they also test and develop weapon systems for us! Not simulated testing either!.... Yep, they test it on their neighbors. They test it on real people. This information is priceless and the results of the testing and development done by Israel and "given" to the US has, over time, tripled our arms sales which means it feeds our economy!.... War is Business. Proof. Aside from the obvious reason Israel needs military aid, a PRIMARY purpose of aid to other countries is to create foreign markets for US products, most especially arms sales.... War is Big Business. Proof. I rest my case. War is a fact of life Jeannie.... How it makes sense is this..It's common knowledge that military aid to all countries is treated this way...This will really tick you off...In most cases the required amount is 100% of the military aid from US to other countries be spent in US...We gave Israel a 25% discount.... I know that the U.S. is the super power of the world and that the main currency of the world is weapons, drugs, oil, gold, etc. Yes, war is the Business of the world. It's a shame. The CIA, Mossad, Black operations, globalization, the Elite bankers, own this world. They play everyone against each other and they don't care about sending OUR children, YOUR children off to die in a war. But nobody can tell me that we fight for our freedom, or that Israel is "just defending itself" or that kind of B.S. Every country fights for its very survival in a world of war and big business. What I hate are the lies and propaganda. They should just tell it like it is. Oh Holy Paranoia! What do you think is paranoia? This world is all about the business of war.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:09 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/25/11 12:10 PM
Conrad_73 instead of one liners, present your proof or evidence that the world leaders (owners of the world) are working towards peace and not war.

5apphire Joined Fri 11/11/11 Posts: 462	Fri 11/25/11 12:11 PM
That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact. Why do you think that? Did Egypt have weapons of Mass destruction? Israel was surround by enemies ammasing at Israel's borders. They were threatening anialation because of course they knew they would win as Israel was hugely outnumbered. And yes, they did have weapons of mass destruction in the form of huge numbers of military personnel and unlimited amount of weapons.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:12 PM
If you believe that it is right and justified for Israel to attack Egypt because they were afraid they might be attacked, then would you also justify going out and killing all of your perceived enemies in their own homes?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:14 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/25/11 12:15 PM
That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact. Why do you think that? Did Egypt have weapons of Mass destruction? Israel was surround by enemies ammasing at Israel's borders. They were threatening anialation because of course they knew they would win as Israel was hugely outnumbered. And yes, they did have weapons of mass destruction in the form of huge numbers of military personnel and unlimited amount of weapons. Do you have any proof that enemies were ammassing at Israel's borders? The USS Liberty was a spy ship that picked up all of the electronic and radio communications in that area. If there were enemies "amassing" against Israel they would have known about it. There would have been positive proof of that from the USS Liberty Spy ship. And yet, Israeli, attacked that ship.

5apphire Joined Fri 11/11/11 Posts: 462	Fri 11/25/11 12:15 PM
If you believe that it is right and justified for Israel to attack Egypt because they were afraid they might be attacked, then would you also justify going out and killing all of your perceived enemies in their own homes? Israel was not afraid they might be attacked. War against Israel was only within a couple of hours of happening.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:16 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/25/11 12:17 PM
If you believe that it is right and justified for Israel to attack Egypt because they were afraid they might be attacked, then would you also justify going out and killing all of your perceived enemies in their own homes? Israel was not afraid they might be attacked. War against Israel was only within a couple of hours of happening. How do you know that, when the USS Liberty Spy ship did not even know that? Because its just propaganda. Not truth.

5apphire Joined Fri 11/11/11 Posts: 462	Fri 11/25/11 12:17 PM
That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact. Why do you think that? Did Egypt have weapons of Mass destruction? Israel was surround by enemies ammasing at Israel's borders. They were threatening anialation because of course they knew they would win as Israel was hugely outnumbered. And yes, they did have weapons of mass destruction in the form of huge numbers of military personnel and unlimited amount of weapons. Do you have any proof that enemies were ammassing at Israel's borders? The USS Liberty was a spy ship that picked up all of the electronic and radio communications in that area. If there were enemies "amassing" against Israel they would have known about it. There would have been positive proof of that from the USS Liberty Spy ship. And yet, Israeli, attacked that ship. Yes, there is proof - I posted proof and Conrad too. Do you not read links?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:19 PM
That is exactly the position Israel was in. It is so obvious. Israel was on the brink of being anialated in a day or so. Surely you must grasp that fact. Why do you think that? Did Egypt have weapons of Mass destruction? Israel was surround by enemies ammasing at Israel's borders. They were threatening anialation because of course they knew they would win as Israel was hugely outnumbered. And yes, they did have weapons of mass destruction in the form of huge numbers of military personnel and unlimited amount of weapons. Do you have any proof that enemies were ammassing at Israel's borders? The USS Liberty was a spy ship that picked up all of the electronic and radio communications in that area. If there were enemies "amassing" against Israel they would have known about it. There would have been positive proof of that from the USS Liberty Spy ship. And yet, Israeli, attacked that ship. Yes, there is proof - I posted proof and Conrad too. Do you not read links? What kind of proof? I want real proof. If a Spy ship did not detect this information I don't think you have any real proof.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 11/25/11 12:21 PM
To claim that the six day war was a "miracle" is outrageous bad taste and a manipulation of religious fervor glorifying aggression, murder and war. Its shameful propaganda. That film is exactly how it is. My relatives there were all too aware believe me of the impending war. There was proof of an impending war not only in Israel media but worldwide. What do you think Israel should have done then with enemies ready for war and about to attack? Defend themselves when they are attacked. NOT invade. Do you know the difference between defending yourself and going down the street and bombing someone's house or shooting someone? In Colorado we have the "make my day" law. If someone breaks into our house and we are in fear of our life, we can shoot them. But we can't go to their house and shoot them. Do you see the difference? Defense is not attacking or invading because you are afraid what someone might do or because you know that your neighbor has weapons. geeeze. I can see you have no Idea! So you say that Israel was supposed to have waited until the Arabforces in the Sinai and elsewhere invaded? Do you have any Clue how big Israel was,and that the Lines would have been indefensible had they waited? But that of course doesn't really matter to you,since you seem to favor the Idea of an Israel-Nonexistence over its existence! That is the only way I can explain your Posts and attitude! Where is the real proof that they were planning to invade? Yes, I favor an Israel nonexistence. If they can't get along with their neighbors they should move.