Proof that people are not jewish when born to a jewish mother, of course.

This is all your opinion. That doesn't make it fact. I get that you don't agree with it, but again, it's still your opinion.

Yep that's my opinion. I have no reason to convince anyone else why I have that opinion.



Why would I want to do that?

My pet peeve is when they try to claim that they are related to some fictional characters of the Bible and spread the myth that they are God's chosen people who have a right to the alleged promised land.

Personally I think the defining characteristic of a Jew is their
religion not what race they are since Jews come from all races.

The article says that those who follow Judaism are Jewish but also
adds that traditionally anyone who has a Jewish mother and in
some cases a Jewish father has also been considered Jewish and
many consider themselves Jewish if they have a Jewish parent even
if they don't participate much in the rituals.

It is pretty easy to understand.

What has been antisemitic in these arguments here is when there is
talk of a fake sinister Jewish/Zionist global conspiracy. This is
just pure bunk ingnorance and follows the storyline of Nazi
propaganda which has been conclusively proven to be a lie used to
denigrate Jews to try to delegitimize their culture and history.

The first published account of this stupid global domination
conspiracy theory was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which
was proven to be plagiarized from a work of fantasy fiction back
in the 1920s.

Nevertheless every once in a while some ignorant neo-Nazis or
white supremacists or other Jew-haters try to resurrect this
scare tactic.

JB and Opto69 quote these hate sites in their posts basically
regurgitating the Nazi propaganda all over again.

Fortunately in the age of the internet people can easily see
and research why this is antisemitic, false and how it was used
by the Nazis.

I just point it out because I find it reprehensible and disgusting
to see Nazi propaganda being recycled on mingle2 and discussed even
though it was proven long ago to be naked lies and hate speech.

I am against Nazi propaganda and hate speech.

The false nature of the Jewish/Zionist global conspiracy theory
is exhaustively debunked right in the Wiki here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the twentieth century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was Hitler's primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his "warrant for genocide."[1]

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today, still presented, typically, as a genuine document, on the Internet and in print, in numerous languages.

Ah, so you can't prove they're not Jewish. Got it.

And as for your opinion on who is Jewish and not Jewish, if you can't prove your claim, then it just stays your opinion. Nothing else. So, there was no need to tell me earlier in this thread that I needed to do research, as you knew more than I did. I don't know any Jews who believe the way you do. Are there some out there? I'm sure there are. However, I've never seen any proof that anything has changed when it comes to how people become Jewish.

Who is or is not Jewish is completely irrelevant.

I say that many of the secular atheist Zionist's leaders of Israel are not real Jews. They just pretend they are Jews. But if you want to believe they are Jews, whatever a Jew is, if you want to call them Jews, that's no sweat off of my back. I really don't care. When, in the end, they are proven to be war criminals, (and they will be,) you will not want to continue to defend them. You will want to distance yourself from them just as many other anti-Zionist Jews have done.

Check out the anti-Zionists Jews and what they have to say about Zionism. Stop slandering me for expressing my political opposition to Israel. American should not be supporting Israel with our tax dollars as they brag about how they own us and we do as they say.

Its disgraceful.

P.S. Wiki is not a reliable source for proving anything slowhand.

I have nothing to do with "zionists." Nor am I defending anyone. But, it is completely relevant who is or is not a Jew, since you're claiming certain people aren't Jews. When you attack an entire group of people because of some that you don't like, it will bother people. You claiming you're not attacking a certain group of people just because you don't believe they're Jews doesn't really say much, since you cannot prove it.

Good.

It should not matter to anyone else what I believe. Certainly no one needs my approval to call them self Jewish.

I'm just not falling for that Zionist propaganda about the chosen people and the promise land anymore.

P.s. I am not attacking "Jews" I'm criticizing Zionists politics.

Okay? I have a right to my political views.

Peace.

America, stop supporting Zionism.

I doubt anybody cares what you believe. But it is important that
you not ignorantly slander others. You hate Zionists and Israel
politically you say. But when asked why you hate them you say
because of this anti-semitic global conspiracy crap which is known
to be a false portrayal of Jewish people that was used as Nazi
propaganda!



And you also try to deny the long history of Israel in the region
and the roots and history and culture of Jews in Israel and the
historical ties of Jewish people to Israel.

So it becomes obvious that you hate Zionists and Israel because
you believe in Nazi propaganda. And when I and others point this
out to you, you deny it and try to justify it, and then try to
defend the ridiculous antisemitic global conspiracy theory which
was the false heart of Mein Kampf!



Of course you also spread the antisemitic anti-Israel propaganda
of Hamas and Hezbollah while ignoring the fact that Israel has to
defend herself daily from completely unjustified and unprovoked
rocket attacks, bus bombings, kidnappings and other terrorist
attacks. You laud those who commit these crimes against humanity
- war crimes - and simultaneously condemn the innocent Israelis
for living in their traditional homeland and defending themselves.

No one cares about your personal twisted jew-hating beliefs. But
many object to you spreading this unfounded hatred and posting such
nonsense as if it were fact. You are entitled to your misanthropy
and bigotry but should not spread such falsehoods.

Israel is a democratic society which is unlike their Arab neighbors
Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE,
Algeria, Libya and the rest.

Israel respects all religions and accepts immigrants from all over the world regardless of their race or religion.

Israel has a free and open press with lots of public criticism of
their policies by their own citizens and voters.

The other countries of the region do not tolerate other religions
especially Judaism and Christianity and have a state run press, no
elections but rather kings, dictators and theocracy.

In Israel, women have full political rights.

In the neighboring Arab and Islamic countries women can't vote,
must be subservient to their male relatives, never reveal their
faces in public, can't drive or openly voice their opinions, and no
one is allowed to freely criticize the governments.

Yet you single out Israel irrationally for condemnation although it
is a much better society and country politically for all its
citizens men and women alike much like the United States.

And when asked why you single out Zionists and Israel you explain
by citing Hitler, white supremacists and Goebbels.

Israel is an admirable democracy and Jews are an admirable people
and have re-built their great country again in the land of their
forefathers. It is as if the Native Americans had been
able to come back and rejoin their brothers and sisters in their
ancestral lands once again to build a thriving and democratic
society while also preserving their rich heritage in their ancient
traditional homeland.



To the Jews and Zionists!

Slander is their only Proof!

Jeanniebean doesn't need my help or anybody's help on this or any other subject she decides to discuss. The lady is well informed. As usual when anyone brings up the subject of Jews or Israel the hasbara kicks in with a vengeance. This has worked for many years and many people were made to feel guilty because of the holocaust. Yes the holocaust was dreadful but that was a long time ago. In December/January 08/09 Israel attacked Gaza with 23 days of continuous bombing murdering 1400 people of which 400 at least were innocent children. The media kept very quite...well we know who owns the media.

For sixty years or more Israel has been punishing the Palestinian people with the backing of the UK and US for something the Palestinian people had no hand act or part in.

Israel is still growing...the only country on the planet with expanding borders. All the time displacing Palestinian people.

Just a thought...
I have long thought about Gaza as being a prime piece of Real Estate where rich American Jews might want to retire while getting rid of a thorn in the side. ....Just a thought.

Do you also believe that the Hamas have done nothing wrong?

Do you ever stop asking Questions

Is there a reason you can't answer the question?

I will let Chris Hedges do it for me..he is better qualified.

“The Israeli decision to rain death and destruction” on Gaza was aimed at “creating squalid, lawless, and impoverished ghettos in the West Bank and Gaza where life for Palestinians will be barely sustainable.”
The goal is ethnic cleansing, plain and simple.

Like I said,Slander!

Ask me about slander sometime Con....

Like I say... Murder

I asked for your opinion. And this doesn't answer my question.

If Israel wanted to do Ethnic Cleansing,there wouldn't be a Palestinian left in either Gaza or the Westbank!
Do you really think before you say things like that?

You didn't even say good morning and your are interested in my opinion.

I will refrain from using emoticons in further posts.