Topic: Will Israel Hit Iran?
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Wed 11/09/11 02:49 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Wed 11/09/11 02:50 PM





And slowhand is on a dating siterofl rofl rofl


With his shirt off :banana: drinker


Aren't you on a dating site, too?


Yes but I am not putting down a man with a academic record such as Norman Finkelstein...unless of course slow has a record to match in which case he might want to share it with us and we can Quote him. I hope I do not have to explain that any further.

Did you not read the last bit of my post?

Anyway...From a British Member of Parliment (The Mother of ALL Parliments) and a Jew to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&feature=related



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Wed 11/09/11 02:52 PM




In the Bible, Jews were called Hebrews or Children of Israel.

• The terms "Jew" and "Judaism" come from the tribe or kingdom of Judah
• "Jew" now refers to all physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob
• A person can be Jewish by birth or by conversion
• Traditionally, Jewish status passes through the mother, not the father
Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"


But Slowhand, you have argued over and over that Jewish is a religion, not a race.

Are you now changing that claim??

Forget the fiction of the Bible and any of the fictional characters. They are all fiction.

The idea of the "Jewish People" descended from King David and Abraham etc. is a bunch of unprovable fiction. Its a made up story.

Its not true.

All of the stuff you posted above proves that there is a lot of controversy and questions about who is or is not considered "Jewish."



There is no controversy about who is or is not considered Jewish. It's quite clear, as you can see. What is confusing for you? What is the controversy?


The biggest problem I have is that when I say that I am anti-Zionist, and that I appose Israeli policies and laws, people have the gall to tell me I am anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish or that I am racist or that I discriminate because of someone's religion. That is simply not true, and I am sick of people saying that to me.

I resent that slander. I will not put up with that because it is slander.

I have a right to have a political opinion about Israel and their Zionist government and their war crimes without being subject to slander and propaganda.

People need to separate Zionism from Jews. There are many many Jews who appose Zionism. Hats off to them.drinker They know what is going on.



So... what is the controversy over who is or is not jewish?


It begins when someone tells me that I am "racist." I tell them that Jews are not a race.

Then they tell me that the Jews were persecuted because of their religion and that I hate Jews because of their religion. I don't give a rat's butt about their religion. Or anyone's religion.

Then some people claim that Jews are not a race but that they are a religion.

Then others claim that Jews who are not religious are still Jews.

So the largest majority of people don't know what a Jew is. I don't really care what they decide. I just want the right to express my political opinion about Israel and Zionism without being slandered.

Period. End of story.



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Wed 11/09/11 02:53 PM
Slowhand just provided information for you that clearly explained who is jewish. I'm not sure what is confusing about that.

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Wed 11/09/11 02:57 PM





In the Bible, Jews were called Hebrews or Children of Israel.

• The terms "Jew" and "Judaism" come from the tribe or kingdom of Judah
• "Jew" now refers to all physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob
• A person can be Jewish by birth or by conversion
• Traditionally, Jewish status passes through the mother, not the father
Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"


But Slowhand, you have argued over and over that Jewish is a religion, not a race.

Are you now changing that claim??

Forget the fiction of the Bible and any of the fictional characters. They are all fiction.

The idea of the "Jewish People" descended from King David and Abraham etc. is a bunch of unprovable fiction. Its a made up story.

Its not true.

All of the stuff you posted above proves that there is a lot of controversy and questions about who is or is not considered "Jewish."



There is no controversy about who is or is not considered Jewish. It's quite clear, as you can see. What is confusing for you? What is the controversy?


The biggest problem I have is that when I say that I am anti-Zionist, and that I appose Israeli policies and laws, people have the gall to tell me I am anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish or that I am racist or that I discriminate because of someone's religion. That is simply not true, and I am sick of people saying that to me.

I resent that slander. I will not put up with that because it is slander.

I have a right to have a political opinion about Israel and their Zionist government and their war crimes without being subject to slander and propaganda.

People need to separate Zionism from Jews. There are many many Jews who appose Zionism. Hats off to them.drinker They know what is going on.



So... what is the controversy over who is or is not jewish?


It begins when someone tells me that I am "racist." I tell them that Jews are not a race.

Then they tell me that the Jews were persecuted because of their religion and that I hate Jews because of their religion. I don't give a rat's butt about their religion. Or anyone's religion.

Then some people claim that Jews are not a race but that they are a religion.

Then others claim that Jews who are not religious are still Jews.

So the largest majority of people don't know what a Jew is. I don't really care what they decide. I just want the right to express my political opinion about Israel and Zionism without being slandered.

Period. End of story.




Everyone has the right to express their opinions but when anyone mentions Jews or Israel you are labeled as being Anti and it has worked well up to now but the game is up.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:00 PM
Edited by jamesfortville on Wed 11/09/11 03:04 PM
Name three – two-one battle that somebody fight for Esreal?

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Wed 11/09/11 03:02 PM

Slowhand just provided information for you that clearly explained who is jewish. I'm not sure what is confusing about that.


It is apparently very confusing to a lot of people.

Like I said, I don't care what they or you decide about who is or is not considered "Jewish."

A lot of people are confused about it. (I'm not, but I don't really care.) It would just be nice if they would make up their minds.

I just want to be able express my political opinions about Israel and Zionism without some idiot calling me names like anti-Semitic or having some "religious prejudice"

Those Zionists criminals have been hiding behind that (being persecuted Jews) for long enough. War Criminals are war criminals, period. Thieves are thieves.











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Wed 11/09/11 03:05 PM
Everyone has the right to express their opinions but when anyone mentions Jews or Israel you are labeled as being Anti and it has worked well up to now but the game is up.


You are right Optomistic69, the jig is up. I really feel sorry for decent and innocent Jews in this country who are mistaken for the Zionist Criminals operating in Israel and America.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:10 PM


Slowhand just provided information for you that clearly explained who is jewish. I'm not sure what is confusing about that.


It is apparently very confusing to a lot of people.

Like I said, I don't care what they or you decide about who is or is not considered "Jewish."

A lot of people are confused about it. (I'm not, but I don't really care.) It would just be nice if they would make up their minds.

I just want to be able express my political opinions about Israel and Zionism without some idiot calling me names like anti-Semitic or having some "religious prejudice"

Those Zionists criminals have been hiding behind that (being persecuted Jews) for long enough. War Criminals are war criminals, period. Thieves are thieves.



What do they need to make up their minds about? It is clear on how someone becomes Jewish. You have said that's not true. Do you have proof yet to show us that it has changed? I'm interested to see it.

Rather than attacking Jews (whether you believe they're actually Jewish or not) why not go after individual people for why you disagree with/don't like them? People get upset when an entire group is attacked.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:10 PM
The Jews Run the World
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jews/jews_run_world.htm

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Wed 11/09/11 03:10 PM
Why 14 Million Jews Run the World | Words& War
http://www.wordsandwar.com/2008/08/19/why-jews-run-the-world/

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Wed 11/09/11 03:12 PM

Everyone has the right to express their opinions but when anyone mentions Jews or Israel you are labeled as being Anti and it has worked well up to now but the game is up.


You are right Optomistic69, the jig is up. I really feel sorry for decent and innocent Jews in this country who are mistaken for the Zionist Criminals operating in Israel and America.


Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews is a journey through the propaganda lies and truth of history.

Alan Hart............another Jew

I feel sorry for Decent and innocent Jews also and they will be heard.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:13 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 11/09/11 03:16 PM



Slowhand just provided information for you that clearly explained who is jewish. I'm not sure what is confusing about that.


It is apparently very confusing to a lot of people.

Like I said, I don't care what they or you decide about who is or is not considered "Jewish."

A lot of people are confused about it. (I'm not, but I don't really care.) It would just be nice if they would make up their minds.

I just want to be able express my political opinions about Israel and Zionism without some idiot calling me names like anti-Semitic or having some "religious prejudice"

Those Zionists criminals have been hiding behind that (being persecuted Jews) for long enough. War Criminals are war criminals, period. Thieves are thieves.



What do they need to make up their minds about? It is clear on how someone becomes Jewish. You have said that's not true. Do you have proof yet to show us that it has changed? I'm interested to see it.

Rather than attacking Jews (whether you believe they're actually Jewish or not) why not go after individual people for why you disagree with/don't like them? People get upset when an entire group is attacked.


You really want names? I assure you there are names of individual people. (War criminals, politicians, Drug lords etc.) There are names.

I am not attacking Jews dear. I am apposing Zionism. Get that strait.

If a person wants to claim to be a Jew and they pass the Zionist laws about who is a Jew that is fine with them and me.

I personally don't consider "Jewish" to be a people or a nationality. That is my personal opinion.

I will acknowledge the religion of Judaism and I have nothing against what anyone believes it or practices it. If they want to call themselves "Jewish" that's fine with me.


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Wed 11/09/11 03:17 PM
@ singmesweet
Rather than attacking Jews (whether you believe they're actually Jewish or not) why not go after individual people for why you disagree with/don't like them? People get upset when an entire group is attacked
.

You Do not get it. No one is attacking Jews.



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Wed 11/09/11 03:20 PM

@ singmesweet
Rather than attacking Jews (whether you believe they're actually Jewish or not) why not go after individual people for why you disagree with/don't like them? People get upset when an entire group is attacked
.

You Do not get it. No one is attacking Jews.





Yep, she doesn't get it. After all of my time and effort to try to explain it. A waste of time I guess.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:26 PM
Can you prove these people are not Jewish? Not just your own opinion, but solid proof that they aren't Jewish?

You still have not provided proof that people are not born Jewish because of their Mother, so I'm still waiting for that as well.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:27 PM


@ singmesweet
Rather than attacking Jews (whether you believe they're actually Jewish or not) why not go after individual people for why you disagree with/don't like them? People get upset when an entire group is attacked
.

You Do not get it. No one is attacking Jews.





Yep, she doesn't get it. After all of my time and effort to try to explain it. A waste of time I guess.


At least we tried.flowerforyou

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Wed 11/09/11 03:29 PM
Optimistic, if JB can't provide proof, maybe you can help her out.

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Wed 11/09/11 03:36 PM
Will Israel Hit Iran?:smile:

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Wed 11/09/11 03:44 PM
Speculation about whether Israel will strikeIran increased with release yesterday of a United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency report, which said Iran has beentrying to develop the capabilities to produce an atomic bomb small enough to put on a missile capable of hittingIsrael.
Iran’s suspected nuclear weapons facilities are dispersed over a broad area 1,000 miles (1,609 kilometers) and multiple countries to the east of Tel Aviv. Some are underground. Iran has repeatedly asserted that its nuclear program is for peaceful civilian goals, such as power generation.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said yesterday in an interview with Israel Radio that Israel “has not yet decided to embark on any operation” against Iran.
The current U.S. intelligence view, classified documents released by WikiLeaks, and intelligence community testimony have raised the questionof the effectiveness of any raids.
Collateral Damage
Barak, in a June 2, 2009, meeting with U.S. lawmakers, “estimated awindow between six and 18 months from now in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable,” he was quoted as saying in a WikiLeaks-released StateDepartment cable.
“After that, any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage,” Barak was quoted as saying.
Iran is following the leadof China and Russia in protecting its Natanz and Qom nuclear facilities by moving them underground, Defense Intelligence Agency Director General Ronald Burgess told a Senate Committee in February.
“Buried, hardened facilities and improved air defenses are key elements of Iran’s extensive program to protect its nuclear infrastructure from destruction,” Burgess said.
“The spread of western tunneling technology and equipment is contributing to a rise in construction by countries and organizations that have not previously used modern techniques,” he said.
Authorities in Tehran announced recently that they’re moving some uranium enrichment from a more vulnerable site at Natanz to a location at Qom that is 90 meters (295 feet) under rock, said David Albright, who is founder and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.

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Wed 11/09/11 04:27 PM

Optimistic, if JB can't provide proof, maybe you can help her out.


Proof of what?

I have been collecting this information from hundreds of different sources for a long time.

Do your own research. If I had a Jewish mother and was told that I was Jewish I would do everything possible to research all the information possible about what that meant.

I'm not even Jewish and I know more about it that you do.