The strong/fighting for the rights of all atheists atheists don't exist in large enough numbers because if they did the changes in the laws would have happened sooner than now.

Atheists really just don't want to have to be subjected to religion in their daily lives, they do not really want to fight about it.

That is the misunderstanding about atheists.

I would think the people of faith, which I am not, would be extremely accepting of anything others choose to believe so they can keep their beliefs.

Not to mention those who respect the rule of law would look to the 1st Amendment.

sorry but i can't buy off on your descriptions. firstly, what you describe as an 'agnostic atheist' is simply an agnostic. agnostics believe in nothing thinking that nothing, especially god, can be known. a weak atheist does not believe in god but does not rule out god as unknowable if evidence could be produced.

I'm one of those anti-theism atheist who "refuse" to believe there is a God.So if you never heard or seen an atheist say or type this OP,you just did.Theres a first time for everything.

I feel the same but I have been told that I am not an atheist because of my spiritual beliefs. And I do fight for the rights of atheists to live religion free.

I actually stated that:





You're confusing a lot. There is Gnostic atheist and agnostic atheist, your confusion can be found here:

http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/

Anti-theism in itself is its own category. I recently almost argued with my world religion teacher because he was asserting atheism is someone "who knows for a *fact*" there's no God.



What do you mean by spirituality (in your terms)?

it seems as if agnostic theist and antitheist are two more terms which kind of confuse things more

I was just explaining the foundation for my post, the definitions I was using for TWO seperate words

atheism ( literally NO GOD)
agnosticism (literally WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE)


,, I kind of thought I simplified it actually,,,

doesnt matter, I didnt wish to get off topic

whatever terms are used,, as a CHRISTIAN, It wont bother me if more people question or ask questions about religion/God/faith,,etc,,,


it would bother me if more people started to insist upon living without giving thought or consideration to religion/God/Faith,,etc,,

That's called Dogmatic Atheism. There are plenty of atheists like that, becoming more common every day. We are witnessing the philosophical decline of atheism.

Why? It's their choice, who are you to say your beliefs are any better than theirs are, or that to be good is dependent at all on what they believe?

I don't like going into semantics of labeling, but i didn't want a misrepresentation of the meaning, it's better to know than to assume.



What consideration might that be? A high percentage of people who become agnostic or atheist read the Bible back and fourth, i'm assuming you mean consideration in either reading the Bible and going to church or on a more faith based level (ease my confusion, thanks)?



I wouldn't really consider that, if any of your are familiar with Reddit there are plenty of anti-theistic people there. Most of them started as a "weak atheist", to seeing the issues religion place on people/world and then really despise religion.

of course its their choice, I didnt say otherwise

its also a personal choice to commit suicide, or use drugs, or eat fast food every day

that doesnt stop me from being able to worry about people who make such choices though

Im posting about people giving consideration to the validity of the bible and of the existence of God

as opposed to the bible being brushed off by more and more as only fairytale,,,(as in nothing legitimate or relevant in it, not to be confused with a FABLE which still has a moral to learn)

or to God being brushed off as no more real than Santa Claus,,,

I see, still don't see why it has to be so personal though. They're not attacking YOU, it's the belief system that they attack. The two are totally different things. How is it gonna hurt you if they choose to see things different from you?

Totally different things, the effects of those are OBVIOUS, this one is only assumed. You can assume till the cows come home that you know how God is, but what if you're wrong?

For lack of a better word to use, my spirituality is that there is an energy to life itself that interacts with it's surroundings and other life forms. When we die the energy joins the universal energy.

Making us all the same at this level and making us responsible for what type of energy we choose to put out for others to have to deal with, either positive or negative.

That is it in really simple form. It is kinda like karma in that I believe if we live negatively we bring negativity to ourselves.

I see what you mean, wouldn't that fit more with some kind of naturalism? Spirituality to me is more religion lite (one can be atheist and spiritual though).




Wouldn't that undermine faith by definition. There is no evidence for the existence of God only what someone wishes to believe. And the validly of the Bible, if was valid would have been proven already. Not trying to argue religion, but any theologian can say that many of the stories in the Bible is pretty inane. As far as the fairy tale bit, i'm sure people who came to that conclusion have all right to regard as such, as i do, you seem pretty rational when it comes to not pushing your beliefs and staying to yourself, so i don't my thoughts on the Bible matter to you. I'm pretty sure you feel that other Gods are false, no different then how some people feel the Judeo-Christian God is in that regard.

Yea it has been compared to naturalism. Mine is not as detailed nor do I hold anything above anything else. It is all equal.

IF Im wrong , then no harm done

but I dont go on the assumption that I am wrong

and if I am right, the mortal choices could affect the immortal consequences,,,