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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 05:26 AM
Funches wrote/typed if someone takes a woman's egg out of her and fertilize it and the end result is a baby..I guess you believe that the woman didn't play any part in the creation of the baby ....Adam's rib was the egg Cowboy wrote/typed If she didn't have it taken out herself, then no she had no part in the creation of the baby. then explain what is the purpose in taking her egg imagine if someone drugged a woman and when she felled alseep they took out one of her eggs without her permission, fertilized it and created a baby..... .....would you argue that the baby isn't the woman's baby because she played no part in the creation of it this is why Eve is the child of Adam God took Adam's rib without his permission which proves that Adam had no "Free Will" and that the human race was created without "Free Will".....

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 05:35 AM
Oh please don't pull that on me too. I have free will. Carold...no need to get paranoid, no one is trying to pull anything over you that the bible hasn't already done...but anyway you said that God was in control, but if you have "Free Will" that would mean that you are the one in control not God ... And i wish you could see what you think you are spreading. I corrected one of your fellows Christians that God didn't place all the human babies on noah's Ark......I notice you didn't step in to correct this false gospel...you only complain about it being corrected my free will is saying jesus is lord and that will never change. cool...can you use your "Free Will" to say that Darth Vader is Lord? ...but the actual question is, can Darth Vader Jesus or some other guy that wish to call themselves God be found in Genesis Carold...no need to get paranoid, no one is trying to pull anything over you that the bible hasn't already done...but anyway you said that God was in control, but if you have "Free Will" that would mean that you are the one in control not God Not true, if she is willing to be humble and give her life to the Lord obeying his commands, God would then be in control. All free will is, is the ability to choose. Doesn't make every action right, doesn't make every action wrong. Just merely the fact that we can choose to obey God or not. giving your life to someone that you only read about in a book is not being humble...it's being foolish That book is merely part of the start. I have a personal walk with God thank you very much. God is omnipresence... he exist everywhere and has no need to walk .....which means you were walking with someone else that you believe was God .....Satan perhaps?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 05:44 AM
It's all cool on here, Carold.... Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day ..... he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does.... You have great faith might take a miracle I have great hope for Funches. I believe in miracles . Funches will be assimulated ...resistance is futile ...we are Christians

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 12/01/11 06:03 AM
It's all cool on here, Carold.... Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day ..... he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does.... You have great faith might take a miracle I have great hope for Funches. I believe in miracles . I do too

RainbowTrout Joined Fri 04/06/07 Posts: 13869	Thu 12/01/11 07:12 AM
It's all cool on here, Carold.... Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day ..... he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does.... Have we found Waldo, yet? You have great faith might take a miracle I have great hope for Funches. I believe in miracles . I do too

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 12/01/11 08:00 AM
Hey Roy

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 08:09 AM
It's all cool on here, Carold.... Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day ..... he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does.... You have great faith might take a miracle I have great hope for Funches. I believe in miracles . I do too so you guys believe that if I or anyone became a great preacherman...it would considered to be a miracle by God and not by choice or "Free Will"

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 12/01/11 08:13 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it

RainbowTrout Joined Fri 04/06/07 Posts: 13869	Thu 12/01/11 08:24 AM
Hey Roy Its a wonderful morning, Carol.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 09:49 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Thu 12/01/11 11:35 AM Edited by MorningSong on Thu 12/01/11 12:03 PM
Cowboy wrote: Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. Ok....gonna address this one last issue here: Cowboy, This is NOT how one comes into Saving Relationship with the God of the Bible ....sorry...GOD HAS TO BE THE ONE TO FIRST DRAW you....and then convict you of your sin and need for a Saviour ....to where you are finally ABLE then, to come to FAITH TO BELIEVE IN GOD and RECEIVE Him into your heart. WE ARE INCAPABLE OF COMING INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ON OUR OWN. GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US...THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONE DOING THE DRAWING.....FIRST. AND THIS DRAWING POWER AND CONVICTION COMES FROM GOD ONLY.....AND THE POWER OF HIS WORD. FAITH comes by HEARING and Hearing by The WORD OF GOD. NOT on our own strength,can we ever come to faith, except thru the Power of God and his Word DRAWING us unto Him. That is WHY There is POWER in God's WORD...cause GOD IS the WORD !!! Cowboy, This might be the reason why you haven't believed in the Deity of Christ yet...again...it is thru God and The Power of His WORD, that this Truth is able to be revealed to you in the first place....and be made clear to you.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 12/01/11 12:53 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 12/01/11 12:55 PM
Cowboy wrote: Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. Ok....gonna address this one last issue here: Cowboy, This is NOT how one comes into Saving Relationship with the God of the Bible ....sorry...GOD HAS TO BE THE ONE TO FIRST DRAW you....and then convict you of your sin and need for a Saviour ....to where you are finally ABLE then, to come to FAITH TO BELIEVE IN GOD and RECEIVE Him into your heart. WE ARE INCAPABLE OF COMING INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ON OUR OWN. GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US...THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONE DOING THE DRAWING.....FIRST. AND THIS DRAWING POWER AND CONVICTION COMES FROM GOD ONLY.....AND THE POWER OF HIS WORD. FAITH comes by HEARING and Hearing by The WORD OF GOD. NOT on our own strength,can we ever come to faith, except thru the Power of God and his Word DRAWING us unto Him. That is WHY There is POWER in God's WORD...cause GOD IS the WORD !!! Cowboy, This might be the reason why you haven't believed in the Deity of Christ yet...again...it is thru God and The Power of His WORD, that this Truth is able to be revealed to you in the first place....and be made clear to you. Cowboy, This is NOT how one comes into Saving Relationship with the God of the Bible ....sorry...GOD HAS TO BE THE ONE TO FIRST DRAW you. God draws us ALL. It's not like God is looking at the world, then pin points someone and says "hmm think I'll draw him to me today". No, you have to put the first step forward. You have to make the attempt to have a relationship with God first. James 4:8 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Cowboy, This might be the reason why you haven't believed in the Deity of Christ yet What are you talking about? I have never once said that. You've miss understood me somewhere. Many times we are told "your lord THY GOD". GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US...THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONE DOING THE DRAWING.....FIRST The posted verse disagrees with you.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 12/01/11 12:59 PM
Funches wrote/typed if someone takes a woman's egg out of her and fertilize it and the end result is a baby..I guess you believe that the woman didn't play any part in the creation of the baby ....Adam's rib was the egg Cowboy wrote/typed If she didn't have it taken out herself, then no she had no part in the creation of the baby. then explain what is the purpose in taking her egg imagine if someone drugged a woman and when she felled alseep they took out one of her eggs without her permission, fertilized it and created a baby..... .....would you argue that the baby isn't the woman's baby because she played no part in the creation of it this is why Eve is the child of Adam God took Adam's rib without his permission which proves that Adam had no "Free Will" and that the human race was created without "Free Will"..... What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? The taking a rib didn't make Adam do anything. Free will pertains to thoughts and actions one takes, nothing more, nothing less. Someone being put in prison doesn't take away their free will. Some beating the holy crap out of someone doesn't take away their free will. God doing something to someone doesn't take away their free will. Again, free will is having choice, the ability to choose or not choose to do or think something.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 01:31 PM
What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cowboy....did God ask Adam if he wasn't to give his rib to create his child Eve...if the answer is no....then that is why Adam didn't have any "Free WIll"

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Thu 12/01/11 01:32 PM
Cowboy wrote: Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. Ok....gonna address this one last issue here: Cowboy, This is NOT how one comes into Saving Relationship with the God of the Bible ....sorry...GOD HAS TO BE THE ONE TO FIRST DRAW you....and then convict you of your sin and need for a Saviour ....to where you are finally ABLE then, to come to FAITH TO BELIEVE IN GOD and RECEIVE Him into your heart. WE ARE INCAPABLE OF COMING INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ON OUR OWN. GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US...THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONE DOING THE DRAWING.....FIRST. AND THIS DRAWING POWER AND CONVICTION COMES FROM GOD ONLY.....AND THE POWER OF HIS WORD. FAITH comes by HEARING and Hearing by The WORD OF GOD. NOT on our own strength,can we ever come to faith, except thru the Power of God and his Word DRAWING us unto Him. That is WHY There is POWER in God's WORD...cause GOD IS the WORD !!! Cowboy, This might be the reason why you haven't believed in the Deity of Christ yet...again...it is thru God and The Power of His WORD, that this Truth is able to be revealed to you in the first place....and be made clear to you. You have a quite interesting view of Christianity MorningSong. I truly wish all Christianity believed like you do. Then there would be absolutely no need to proselytize or evangelize the religion because only God can draw people in. Evangelizing and proselytizing would be totally futile if that's the case. And, by the way, I actually feel that your views here make far more sense. I believe that if there is a God who judges people, he certainly wouldn't need the help of proselytizers and/or evangelists. So I support your view of Christianity MorningSong. It certainly allows for a far more righteous God than a religion that requires proselyting and evangelizing of individuals to believe in something that doesn't make any sense to them. I accept MorningSongianity. I reject Cowboyianity.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 12/01/11 03:43 PM
What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cowboy....did God ask Adam if he wasn't to give his rib to create his child Eve...if the answer is no....then that is why Adam didn't have any "Free WIll" God taking one of Adam's ribs didn't cause Adam to do anything though. Again after again, free-will pertains to an action or a thought. God taking one of Adam's ribs did not restrict any action or thought or make Adam do an action or thought. Taking the rib effected Adam's free will not one bit.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 12/01/11 03:46 PM
Cowboy wrote: Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. Ok....gonna address this one last issue here: Cowboy, This is NOT how one comes into Saving Relationship with the God of the Bible ....sorry...GOD HAS TO BE THE ONE TO FIRST DRAW you....and then convict you of your sin and need for a Saviour ....to where you are finally ABLE then, to come to FAITH TO BELIEVE IN GOD and RECEIVE Him into your heart. WE ARE INCAPABLE OF COMING INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ON OUR OWN. GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US...THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONE DOING THE DRAWING.....FIRST. AND THIS DRAWING POWER AND CONVICTION COMES FROM GOD ONLY.....AND THE POWER OF HIS WORD. FAITH comes by HEARING and Hearing by The WORD OF GOD. NOT on our own strength,can we ever come to faith, except thru the Power of God and his Word DRAWING us unto Him. That is WHY There is POWER in God's WORD...cause GOD IS the WORD !!! Cowboy, This might be the reason why you haven't believed in the Deity of Christ yet...again...it is thru God and The Power of His WORD, that this Truth is able to be revealed to you in the first place....and be made clear to you. You have a quite interesting view of Christianity MorningSong. I truly wish all Christianity believed like you do. Then there would be absolutely no need to proselytize or evangelize the religion because only God can draw people in. Evangelizing and proselytizing would be totally futile if that's the case. And, by the way, I actually feel that your views here make far more sense. I believe that if there is a God who judges people, he certainly wouldn't need the help of proselytizers and/or evangelists. So I support your view of Christianity MorningSong. It certainly allows for a far more righteous God than a religion that requires proselyting and evangelizing of individuals to believe in something that doesn't make any sense to them. I accept MorningSongianity. I reject Cowboyianity. God doesn't require proselyting or evangelising. Again, Abra we're just here having a discussion. Not evangelising, or proselyting. Just people in here discussing their different beliefs. Not trying to change anyone else's views, just sharing and getting to know one another.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 04:19 PM Edited by funches on Thu 12/01/11 04:34 PM
What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cowboy....did God ask Adam if he wasn't to give his rib to create his child Eve...if the answer is no....then that is why Adam didn't have any "Free WIll" God taking one of Adam's ribs didn't cause Adam to do anything though. Again after again, free-will pertains to an action or a thought. God taking one of Adam's ribs did not restrict any action or thought or make Adam do an action or thought. Taking the rib effected Adam's free will not one bit. wow it's sort of scary that you believe that it's ok for God or anyone to take out people body parts without their permission as long as they are not incovenient by the loss....even Dr. Frankenstein waited until the people was dead to do it..... but anyway..your definition of "Free Will" appears to be sort of vague so I decide to pull up one of your previous "Free Will" definitions POSTED BY COWBOY: That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do http://mingle2.com/topic/show/307199?page=2... post 11 so now Cowboy going with your definition of "Free Will"....did God give Adam a choice to choose what to do before God put him asleep and took his rib

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 12/01/11 04:33 PM
What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cowboy....did God ask Adam if he wasn't to give his rib to create his child Eve...if the answer is no....then that is why Adam didn't have any "Free WIll" God taking one of Adam's ribs didn't cause Adam to do anything though. Again after again, free-will pertains to an action or a thought. God taking one of Adam's ribs did not restrict any action or thought or make Adam do an action or thought. Taking the rib effected Adam's free will not one bit. Cowboy...your definition of "Free Will" appears to be sort of vague so I decide to pull up one of your previous "Free Will" definitions POSTED BY COWBOY: That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do http://mingle2.com/topic/show/307199?page=2... post 11 so now Cowboy going with your definition of "Free Will"....did God give Adam a choice to choose what to do before God put him asleep and took his rib Again, the rib being taken out of Adam was not an action Adam took. He was not forced to take any action, therefore his free will was not taken away.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 12/01/11 04:36 PM
What does the rib being taken from Adam and free will have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cowboy....did God ask Adam if he wasn't to give his rib to create his child Eve...if the answer is no....then that is why Adam didn't have any "Free WIll" God taking one of Adam's ribs didn't cause Adam to do anything though. Again after again, free-will pertains to an action or a thought. God taking one of Adam's ribs did not restrict any action or thought or make Adam do an action or thought. Taking the rib effected Adam's free will not one bit. Cowboy...your definition of "Free Will" appears to be sort of vague so I decide to pull up one of your previous "Free Will" definitions POSTED BY COWBOY: That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do http://mingle2.com/topic/show/307199?page=2... post 11 so now Cowboy going with your definition of "Free Will"....did God give Adam a choice to choose what to do before God put him asleep and took his rib Again, the rib being taken out of Adam was not an action Adam took. He was not forced to take any action, therefore his free will was not taken away. nope...you said that Free Will was the ability to choose.....when did Adam get to choose to lose his rib?