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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:02 AM
Cowboy...I didn't ask you for a sermon nor did I asked you anything about what God deem best for Adam... I've specifically asked you to provide a passage from Adam himself about any decision that he personally stated pertaining to the removal of his rib... But teacher, it wasn't a rib! Admit you don't know what it was or change the question... jeez...Peter_Pan....do any of you Christians read the bible......you guys have got to stop running to those Satan websites for your biblical updates..... but anyway the bible claim that it was a rib...but then again perhaps in Hebrew rib means Penis and God snatched off Adam's penis system and formed Eve...that would explain why Eve had the balls to bite the fruit first.... but the debate was whether or not if Adam had the "Free Will" to choose or make the decision which body part or if any body part be snatched off... my point being that no matter the case that any intervention by God automatically takes away "Free Will" which is why Man do not have "Free Will" and that only God has 'Free Will".. but so far it seems that Christians believe that it's ok to take off people's body parts without their permission as long as the person is not inconvenient by it and that such an action does not take away their "Free Will" but the debate was whether or not if Adam had the "Free Will" to choose or make the decision which body part or if any body part be snatched off And I have explain multiple times in here that the taking of Adam's rib didn't effect his free will one bit. Again, after again, it did not cause Adam to do anything, it did not restrict Adam from doing anything. Our bodies are not ours. 1 Corinthians 6:20 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Cowboy....Corinthians came after Genesis.. I've constantly asked for a passage before Adam's rib was taken out where Adam himself made a decision whether or not to have his Rib removed this would show that he has 'Free Will"... .. here's a hint...look in Genesis....find a passage before Adam's Rib was taken out Genesis 2:22 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. The Corinthians verse was posted to show that our bodies are not ours, it belongs to God. This body is merely temporary. It is given to us to use while we are on Earth in this life time. One more time lol. The taking of Adam's rib did not effect his free will. It did not force him to do anything, it did not restrict him from doing anything. Our bodies are God's, he can do with them what he wishes. And it not effect our free will in any possible way. For again, free pertains to making an action or not. Cowboy...I didn't ask for one of your Satan website explanation...I asked for a passage from the bible from which Adam spoke play like jesus commanded you to find it Your on a roll so early today, congratulations. For one that did not come from any website. For another, Adam didn't have to say anything. Our bodies are God's and he can do anything he wishes with them. and that my friend is why there is no "Free WIll" .....finally That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. Definition of "Free Will" The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion. The taking of Adam's is not contrary to this.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:10 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:14 AM
Definition of "Free Will" The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion. The taking of Adam's is not contrary to this. Cowboy...running to Man's dictionary for a definition instead of running to the bible for God's explantion ...is to flock in Satan's grace

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:15 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:17 AM
Definition of "Free Will" The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion. The taking of Adam's is not contrary to this. Cowboy...running to Man's dictionary for a definition instead of running to the bible for God's explantion ...is to flock in Satan's grace lol how so? The bible isn't a "dictionary". It is written in words made by man, so in order to determine their meanings, we go to a "dictionary" written by man, to understand the words man made.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 07:17 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now I feel I'm free to live life now. But I've study most all religions and my belief is Jesus is the son of God. I stay with the christian side of things. I've studied the bible and study with others. I love to see there faces when the word is opened up to them. It is alive living and breathing also like a double edge sword. I'm not sayin I'm perfect I'm right but show me in the word. Life is funches most understand when they see me see my life and are pleasantly surprised that are my online friends. I am what I am.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 07:20 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now No, it's not about just reading about him. You open your heart to God and he will reveal himself to you. Reading about God is merely the start. It's an every day walk with God after you open the possibility. It's not about appreciating your life or not appreciating it. I have had many tragedies in my life, and I wouldn't change one thing in my life for there was something to learn in everything that happened. you're making my point...opening up your heart and giving you life over to to someone that you only read about in a book perhaps is a sign that you are not happy it's about the same as reading someone's pictureless Internet profile and giving your heart and life over to them

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:20 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will"

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:22 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:24 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now No, it's not about just reading about him. You open your heart to God and he will reveal himself to you. Reading about God is merely the start. It's an every day walk with God after you open the possibility. It's not about appreciating your life or not appreciating it. I have had many tragedies in my life, and I wouldn't change one thing in my life for there was something to learn in everything that happened. you're making my point...opening up your heart and giving you life over to to someone that you only read about in a book perhaps is a sign that you are not happy it's about the same as reading someone's pictureless Internet profile and giving your heart and life over to them Carold...I'm just giving you a reality check....the bible is now on the internet...since no man has seen God and lived....copy and paste a link to a picture of him in the bible

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 07:26 AM
Good morning funches

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:28 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now No, it's not about just reading about him. You open your heart to God and he will reveal himself to you. Reading about God is merely the start. It's an every day walk with God after you open the possibility. It's not about appreciating your life or not appreciating it. I have had many tragedies in my life, and I wouldn't change one thing in my life for there was something to learn in everything that happened. you're making my point...opening up your heart and giving you life over to to someone that you only read about in a book perhaps is a sign that you are not happy it's about the same as reading someone's pictureless Internet profile and giving your heart and life over to them Carold...I'm just giving you a reality check....the bible is now on the internet...since no man has seen God and lived....copy and paste a link to a picture of him in the bible What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:31 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:32 AM
Good morning funches top of the morning to you Carold

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 07:32 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now No, it's not about just reading about him. You open your heart to God and he will reveal himself to you. Reading about God is merely the start. It's an every day walk with God after you open the possibility. It's not about appreciating your life or not appreciating it. I have had many tragedies in my life, and I wouldn't change one thing in my life for there was something to learn in everything that happened. you're making my point...opening up your heart and giving you life over to to someone that you only read about in a book perhaps is a sign that you are not happy it's about the same as reading someone's pictureless Internet profile and giving your heart and life over to them Carold...I'm just giving you a reality check....the bible is now on the internet...since no man has seen God and lived....copy and paste a link to a picture of him in the bible What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? A friend of mine ended up in the hospital this week thought he was dying. Found out he was diabetic. On his way to the hospital withing a blink of the eye he seen his past before him. Makes you wonder. Could of just been his brain in panic or about to shut down but who knows.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 07:33 AM
Good morning funches top of the morning to you Carold TY

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:34 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:34 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 07:35 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 07:37 AM
Enjoy your day don't over think it ok Carold I see your point...in the religion forum no one should be here over thinking I was talking about your day. The way you chat I wonder if you enjoy life. perhaps...but I would figure those that was so eager for love that they would hand over their life to a character that only read about in a book were the ones that didn't appreciate the life they are living now No, it's not about just reading about him. You open your heart to God and he will reveal himself to you. Reading about God is merely the start. It's an every day walk with God after you open the possibility. It's not about appreciating your life or not appreciating it. I have had many tragedies in my life, and I wouldn't change one thing in my life for there was something to learn in everything that happened. you're making my point...opening up your heart and giving you life over to to someone that you only read about in a book perhaps is a sign that you are not happy it's about the same as reading someone's pictureless Internet profile and giving your heart and life over to them Carold...I'm just giving you a reality check....the bible is now on the internet...since no man has seen God and lived....copy and paste a link to a picture of him in the bible What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? A friend of mine ended up in the hospital this week thought he was dying. Found out he was diabetic. On his way to the hospital withing a blink of the eye he seen his past before him. Makes you wonder. Could of just been his brain in panic or about to shut down but who knows. an unstable blood sugar can play tricks on the mind ...