It also shows that nothing is being learned.

You can't add anything new to a 2000 year old story. So you really have no choice but to keep repeating the same things over and over again no matter how boringly nonsensical it gets.

I've already heard all of these apologetic arguments. I haven't heard anything new concerning the Bible in years. It's the same old nonsensical arguments just repeated over and over again.

They are just as devoid of meaningful explanation as they were the first time I heard them.

Once someone explains to you why they don't accept those old apologetic arguments, you shouldn't bother repeating them.

After all, why bother to constantly repeat then when the other people have already explained why they don't buy into them?

This is what is so typical about religious proselytizers. They can't seem to comprehend why other people don't buy into these apologetic arguments.

I think it's perfectly fine that Cowboy has his own "version" of Christianity. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm all for true protestantism. I support it fully.

The problem with Cowboy is that he preaches his version of his religion as though he is the ultimately God-appointed Pope.

He's right. Everyone else is wrong.

Period amen.

No other possibility exists.

It's just faith gone wild.

Not so much faith in God, but simply a faith that his view of God can't be wrong. Why? Because he equates "faith" with what he believes. Therefore if what he believes is wrong, then his faith is also 'wrong', and we can't have that.

This is a common psychological trap that a lot of religious zealots fall into. They simply can't be wrong, because that would imply that their 'faith' is wrong, and that's simply unacceptable.

So they end up convincing themselves that their "faith" basically equates to "truth". Otherwise, their faith would be "false" and like I say, we can't have that.

It's a closed-loop feedback system. It has nowhere to go. It can only be self-supporting. Anything less than this would imply a false or incorrect 'faith'. And that's simply unacceptable.

So Cowboy can't be wrong. To be wrong would mean that he has misplaced his faith in to false things. And that's simply not acceptable.

Abra, because this is not a discussion with you. This is a discussion with the FORUM. And someone "reading" the forum(s) may not have known what is being posted. So it is repeated, so that they are not left with what you said/say.

I did learn from my mistakes and I did stop with the false teachings in question. I did not continue on with all the babies being on the Ark after my error was brought to realisation. I wasn't "thinking" when I said that.

You speak as if I always spread false gospel. I said ONE wrong thing without thinking and it's hung over my head like that applies to everything I say. I made one mistake, one. I admitted to it, learned from it, and thought we had moved forward, but guess not all of us are keeping up to speed.

So in other words, you are confessing that you are just PREACHING to the FORUM and treating the forum as a pulpit to preach your specific religion.

Jeanniebean recognized that years ago.

Yet you become extremely offended when someone points out the fact that you are using these forums to preach your religion to the masses.

You don't appreciate it when an individual on the forum attempts to actually DISCUSS things.

You just push them aside proclaiming that this is not a discussion FOR THEM, but rather you are just preaching to the FORUM and they are in your WAY.

You PREACH your personal views and interpretations of the Bible acting as if they represent the absolute Word of God.

In your quote above you are suggesting that you made ONE mistake.

So do you think you are perfectly correct about everything else then?

You do not speak for God. Neither do you speak for Christianity.

You're not the Pope, and you certainly don't speak for Jesus.

You're just a person who has personal opinions and views like the rest of us.

Abra, Not preaching to anyone. Merely discussing the different spiritual/religion matters at hand. And no I appreciate everyone who shares in the discussion. But my point was, less your name is previous to the message, it is not said specifically with or to you. It is said to the forum. So if you already know what is being posted, then just ignore it or something, cause again it is not specifically said to you unless your name is before the message. You already know what's being posted, great :D glad for you. But there's a possibility someone else didn't know it already.

This simply isn't true Cowboy. You most certainly do preach.

You don't state things as a personal view.

You don't say, "I believe that Jesus died to pay for the sins of humanity"

You preach that he did, and you preach that anyone who refuses to accept this is DEAD WRONG.

In fact, you even demand that failure to believe the claims you make will indeed result in the spiritual demise of the non-believer.

That's PREACHING.

If you want to simply discuss these things, you would simply state what YOU believe for yourself. And LISTEN to what other people believe for themselves.

It's CLEAR AS DAY that you are PREACHING to the FORUM in the hopes of convincing people that what you speak is the TRUTH of GOD.

You even suggest that you have no interest in conversations with individuals. You have no interested in their personal views.

They are in merely in your WAY.

You need to get in the last word to be sure that their views don't TRUMP your belief that the Bible is the word of God.

That's what you have confessed to right here:



Clearly you are out to CONVINCE people that your views are correct and that everyone else's view should not be given any consideration at all.

You can't even allow the views of others to have been stated last on the forums.



Is that a "Sharing" of views?

Or is that at attempt to proselytize your views as the FINAL WORD.

Abra, this is the "General Religion Chat" forum. Most to all things posted in this forum is an "I believe". That is what this forum is for, for us to come and discuss the things we believe.



I do listen, I'm quite fascinated with what other people believe.



??? Whaaat? No one's in my way of anything.



Clearly you are totally wrong and love to preach hatred. If someone doesn't believe what I believe, that's fine. Good for them. I never said that everyone else's views should not be given any consideration. If I wasn't interested in other people's beliefs and or other beliefs, I wouldn't be discussing in a "GENERAL" religion forum. I would remain in a forum where everyone was Christian.

so you now admit that in the past you have spread false gospel



only because to continue the story would have made you appear more delusional than you abnormally was



so you post without thinking? or do you post your point of view from those Satan Websites

Already admitted I have messed up in the past, what is your point here? To show that I can admit to my faults and mistakes and learn from them?

Ok, since that's your claim, when I quote your posts I will add "I believe" before all of your words since you have the nasty habit of always leaving that out.

I believe that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva.

You believe that he was a demigod.

So both of our beliefs are equally opinions.



Oh really?



If you truly don't care whether other people believe like you do, then why do you feel that it's necessary to always repeat your views so that other people are not left with the views of someone else?

Your actions don't match up with your claims.

The cookie jar tells no lies.

Cowboy,

I'm curious.

Why do you feel that it's a 'hateful thing' for people to suggest that you are preaching the Gospel of Christianity?

Do you feel that this is a terrible thing to be accused of?

I personally feel that there are beautiful ways to preach the gospels of Christianity. If I personally believed in those gospels I could preach them in a very beautiful way that would not create animosity toward non-believers.

Of course, I can't do that because I simply don't believe that the gospels are true. It wouldn't make any sense for me to preach something I honestly don't believe myself.

But if I were inclined to believe them I could sure do a far better job of preaching them than you are doing. I can assure you of that.

I also wouldn't be ashamed of myself for preaching the gospels. Nor would I try to pretend that I wasn't preaching them.

What would be the point to that?

That's what I don't understand. Why consider it to be a 'hateful thing' that people suggest you are preaching the Christian Gospels, when all you ever do is quote verses from those gospels and continually support your interpretations of those gospels.

How many times have you proclaimed that Jesus died for the sins of humanity and he is LORD who must be obeyed lest people will face spiritual death?

I mean, gee whiz. If that's not preaching from the gospels, what is?

That's not what is specifically "hateful". When you continually ridicule the belief is when it becomes "hateful". You don't believe in the Christian faith, we are all aware of it. So if you do not believe in the faith, why waste your time on threads pertaining to Christianity, or posts that have turned to Christian discussion?



Well congratulations, happy you feel that way about yourself. :D. And here is why I'm not here "preaching"

Preach: to deliver a sermon
Sermon: a religious discourse delivered in public usually by a clergyman as a part of a worship service

This is not a "clergy", nor is this is "worship service". Preaching is done to people whom are specifically for that. This is a discussion forum of general religions. People don't come here specifically to hear about the Christian faith.

"Preaching" insists in purely teaching. I'm not here purely for teaching, I'm here for discussion which means learning and possibly teaching.

That is why the continually badgering of "preaching" starts to become hateful. It is claiming the person being accuses of preaching isn't listening to others, is purely here on their mission to preach the specific religion they are "preaching". When that is not the case at all. I'm here to also learn of other beliefs as well.

Will this ever end?,Maybe find out next week on General Religion talk.

lol, hopefully.

Hopefully people will "learn" how to come to a forum and "discuss" different religious beliefs without feeling they are being preached to.

I've already explained this to you many times over. You don't listen.

Christianity is a religion that proclaims that all men have turned against God and are "sinners" in dire need of repentance which can only be obtained by confessing that Jesus is "The Christ", the sacrificial lamb of God, and in doing that support the entire Christian religion and its entire biblical cannon.

This religion makes these actually toward everyone (including non-believers of the religion)

Therefore non-believers have every right to point out why they believe this claims to be utter nonsense.

You can't go around proclaiming that "All men are sinners and in need of repentance" and then chastise those who question the source of your accusations by proclaiming that they have no right to rebuttal.

It is my firm conviction that the doctrine you preach from (and you do preach it dispute your denials), is simply false rumors that have absolutely no credibility.

What you would like to do is basically shut people up who object to these accusations.

That would make your proselytizing of the religion a breeze. No one could object to your religious claims because they would simply be chastised as a 'non-believer' and told to shut up or get lost.

Then the flaws, contradictions, and outright lies in those doctrines would not be exposed.

People who disbelieve in the Christian accusations have a right to voice why they feel those doctrines are completely devoid of any merit.

After all, you keep making those accusations toward EVERYONE.

You keep claiming that "All are sinners and must accept Jesus as sacrificial lamb of a jealous judgmental godhead who will condemn people to spiritual death if they fail to be assimilated by your religion"

So as long as you make those kinds of accusations toward EVERYONE, then EVERYONE has a right to point out why they feel the doctrine you preach from is false and has no merit.

You are preaching a very hateful religion that has a hateful God condemning decent innocent people to spiritual death for extremely trivial reasons like simply not believing in outrageous ancient rumors.

Sorry, but as long as you continue to preach such a hateful picture of God people are going to continue to object to the doctrines from which you preach.

It's only natural.

Quit preaching to people that God will condemn them to spiritual death, and people will quit pointing out to you that the doctrine from whence you got those ideas contains utter absurdities, contradictions, and outright lies.

The only way that Cowboy will ever quite preaching is when the entire world had converted to Christianity. Anything short of that is simply unacceptable to him.

He's even trying to silence non-believers by proclaiming that they have no right to rebuttal.

Convert or shut the hell up!



I mean, truly.

Will there ever be an end this kind of relentless proselyting?

I don't believe so.

And to make matters even worse, Cowboy refuses to even confess that this is what he does.

Just how underhanded can proselytizing become?

Preaches can't even be honest about their evangelism anymore.



That's pretty bad.