i see
u r suggesting to make easier their legalization instead of deporting them
am i right?
I agree with u in the language.
however, it's happening/ why i don't know
what can we do to stop it. I don't know
but it's happening

You have no idea how much I hate trying to tell a guy who dosn't speak english that "I want no pickles or onions on it!"

it might be so frustrating

Miquel, you are wrong about the majority of Americans for illegal immigration!

Majority of Americans Support Tough Action Against Illegal Entry and Residence; Favor Lower Legal Immigration and Population Growth, According to Poll
Of those polled who favored the goal of halting new illegal immigration, 64 percent support tough penalties against violators such as fines and mandatory prison terms, followed by deportation

ahem. not THIS american.

and...when you go visit france...chances are, you'll only speak english. or germany. or a myriad of other countries that realize that they need to be available to multi-cultural tourism.

The legislation you just saw fail in congress was probably the last chance for any kind of legalization of illegal immigrants in this country.

Its inevitable that they will either leave on their own, just to survive, or they are rounded up placed on school buses and sent back that way!

I tried, but the patience in America is wearing out. Just look at the States that have taken it on their own to do something about it. GA, AZ, COLO, and one by one with or without the federal gov there will be more!

I have been to Europe lulu, and their strict illegal immigration policies make these look like favoritism.


HOUSTON, May 11 /Impact Wire/ -- Two Americans in three (68 percent) agree that the United States should set a goal of completely halting new illegal immigration. Over half (55 percent) support the related goal of reducing the population of 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants now residing in the United States "to near zero."

These were among the key findings of a new poll conducted for Negative Population Growth, Inc. by Roper Public Affairs in April 2006 on U.S. immigration and population issues.

Of those polled who favored the goal of halting new illegal immigration, 64 percent support tough penalties against violators such as fines and mandatory prison terms, followed by deportation.

Similarly, of those polled who favored reducing to near zero the number of resident illegal aliens, 72 percent of that group also support the same tough penalties.

Other tough measures against illegal immigration favored by Americans, according to the poll, are:

* Strict criminal penalties on employers who, after repeatedly being cited, persist in knowingly hiring illegal aliens. (Supported by 81 percent of respondents.)

* Verification of U.S. citizenship or lawful presence of all persons applying for transactions such as:

- Receiving a Drivers License (favored by 85 percent of respondents)
- Enrolling in a post-secondary educational institution or training program (favored by 81 percent)
- Opening a bank account (favored by 80 percent)
- Receiving medical care in a hospital (favored by 61 percent)

* Legislation to deny automatic U.S. citizenship to children born here to parents who are illegal aliens. (Supported by 53 percent of respondents, with 44 percent opposed.)

my good friend fanta
states can do too many things that can be so easily strike down by federal legislation
i'm afraid to disagree with u
but i don't think ur statistical info is correct.
this country is too big to draw such a conclusion (too many people)
just look this microuniverse JSH
we splitted almost half and half
make the extrapolation and u'll get the numbers in a big picture.

It gets worse, shall I go on?

my good friend fanta once again all that u point are isolated actions of cities or counties not even a whole state.
u may make me think of this if u show me a massive federal action trying to deport all immigrants, and against employers.
i don't see it. My homeboys are still crossing the frontier while in Washington they are still thinking if they are going to debate the bill.
North American people are still hiring them all across this beautiful land.

show me a federal action in which they say we are going to movilize resources to get rid of this people in a period of 5 years.
and i'll go hide from "la migra"
meanwhile, i'll keep eating tacos next to them

Miquel we are a country of states rights to govern their self.

The last report I posted was an American poll, not one state. Americans dont really give a jack what the fed's do, If they fail the states have the right to make their own laws. Its happenning. As of July 1, just passed, In GA Illegal immigrants can not get food stamps, they can not get secondary ed., and anyone hiring them can lose their business license for life after the second offense. Landlords can go to jail for renting homes to illegal immigrants, and little by little at scheduled times more laws will take effect in GA. In AZ, they just passed similar laws, and Colo is well on the way to full implementation of similar ones. Here in NC, they are training sheriff deputies to act as INS agents, and I suspect we will enact similar laws as GA.

And as far as getting them to go, there is your answer:

In a separate question relating to the current illegal alien population, 56 percent of Americans agree that a practical way to reduce to near zero the number of resident illegal aliens is legislation making penalties for illegal presence so severe that illegal immigrants would leave voluntarily rather than run the risk of being caught and penalized. Thirty- five percent of respondents disagree that this approach would be practical.

I'm tired, i've been doing research the whole afternoon about something called felony-murder rule for my class tomorrow night.
However, in one of my law classes they taught me something about the federal system of government, as long as i recall the teacher said something about the fact this if a state law goes against federal law. The federal law is preempted.
I'm not sure what does that mean. But my bet is that the federal law rules over state law when the latter goes against the federal.
I might be wrong.

I have a headache

Its touchy, something to do with the whole, If a states rights interfere with the good of the whole then Fed law over rules. You have to remember though that Indvidual States controlled their own immigration policies before 1850. Therefore they still have the right if the Feds wont do it, and the Feds arent doing it!

Good night man, sleep well!

I'm not feeling good i think i'm gonna get sick
i guess this is not the place to say this
I'm sorry

Take care of your self dude. Have a good sleep! Peace!!!

more to this poll can be found at:

http://www.impactwire.com/article.asp?id=2741
OR

http://www.npg.org .

Fanta,

Somewhere in one of these threads you stated you were trying to find out who funds the AILF?

Follow the money trail-- keywords: Lawyers, corporate interests, class action suits


Some folks are also saying in these threads that there's plenty of money to go around as a rational for excusing illegal immigration. I beg to differ-- something like 43 million Americans don't have health insurance and the state of California is going broke in a big way.

More food for thought: Bill Gates has been replaced as #1 on Forbes list of the worlds richest people by Carlos Slim, a Mexican national. Perhaps The Lonely Walker should say to Mr. Slim 'Charity begins at home' instead of denouncing middle class Americans who struggle to pay for health insurance for themselves and their kids as being 'stains' when they speak out and say 'enough is enough!' After all, Carlos is one of his 'homeboys', is he not?


-Kerry O.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
You rock Kerry!