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The three greatest sources of annoyance of atheists in connections with preaching to christians:
3. Christians' attitude that a universe with no god is incomprehensible. "I know you beleive there is no God, but you gotta admit that God loves you still, even if you don't believe in Him." Or, a shorter version, "What have you got against God that makes you hate him?" This is not said, in actuality, it would be blasphemous, but theists say a number of corollaries, paraphrased, of this. 2. Christians who quote the bible with incomprehensibly irrelevant quotes to counter logical arguments that they can't counter themselves, effectively and invoking the words of God from the scriptures. 1. The reluctance of Christians to bow to logic, and abandon their faith due to the unassailable logic that refutes the bible, right after a particular debate or another on the forums. |
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Yeah, RKISIT, I've been finding that too. They want to convert you, or want you to shut up and not speak to them about atheism. Ahh, well, such is life. I'd rather be a single hypocritical atheist then date a hypocritical Christian. LOL. You are an endless fount of amusement to me. You want to "speak to them about atheism", but you don't want them to speak to you about Christianity? I fixed your last sentence for you. Really?!  Fixing my sentence for me?! That brings up a WHOLE other issue, and so many boys are good at that too! 
To clarify, if someone wants to discuss their religion with me, then turn-about being fair play, I get to discuss mine with them. I have no interest in converting someone, however, I do enjoy discussing the various and assorted beliefs of the world, and while certain religious groups want to consider theirs the be all and end all, I am certainly aware that theirs is generally the newest in a line of different beliefs. To sit there and tell me that I can't speak to them about my views while they can preach and nag to me, isn't going to cut it, especially with faith that's the equivalent of children. I wouldn't put up with an attitude like that from a child, and I certainly wouldn't put up with that attitude from someone of a relatively young faith. But according to spider, there is nothing to discuss about atheism. 
For spider and I, there's a whole lot of other things that we shouldn't discuss! 
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playing devil's advocate here (no pun intended
 )...I think some of the wording might be the issue here
They want to convert you, or want you to shut up and not speak to them about atheism. to sit there and tell me that I can't speak to them about my views while they can preach and nag to me, To me, this is saying that non-Christians only talk about it and Christians don't talk, they only preach, nag and convert. I say this because I'm Christian and I don't think I've ever preached or nagged (at least not about religion )
I think this is were the misunderstanding might be coming from...then again....what do I know 
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Atheist don't have a devine mission Christians do. I disagree. I think we all have a divine mission. Even atheists. They just don't know what it is yet. 
Their mission is to live in the here and now, enjoy life, take science and find out the nifty and exciting reasons of the world, space, etc., not afraid of death or kow-towing to some violent God-Father who blackmails one into "loving" him. They know what it is. And they get out there and do it. |
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Actually, she didn't say preach. She said talk about. There's a difference. Since you said everyone should be able to freely talk about their beliefs, I don't see why you had a problem with what she said. I also believe the same. However, I prefer not to be preached to and there are some christians who can't have a conversation about beliefs without preaching and trying to convert. I can image the conversation... "Remember on the news when they said that it was a miracle that a baby survived when that plane crashed? Well it wasn't a miracle. There are no miracles, because there is no God. God is just a made up fantasy for the weak minded? What! You dare defend your beliefs and intelligence? I'm not dating a jerk like you again!!!" |
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The three greatest sources of annoyance of atheists in connections with preaching to christians: 3. Christians' attitude that a universe with no god is incomprehensible. "I know you beleive there is no God, but you gotta admit that God loves you still, even if you don't believe in Him." Or, a shorter version, "What have you got against God that makes you hate him?" This is not said, in actuality, it would be blasphemous, but theists say a number of corollaries, paraphrased, of this. 2. Christians who quote the bible with incomprehensibly irrelevant quotes to counter logical arguments that they can't counter themselves, effectively and invoking the words of God from the scriptures. 1. The reluctance of Christians to bow to logic, and abandon their faith due to the unassailable logic that refutes the bible, right after a particular debate or another on the forums. If Atheists wouldn't preach to Christian then they wouldn't be annoyed... Can you comprehend that inassailable logic? |
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Ah, so you're one of those who thinks it's ok for christians to talk about christianity to everyone, but not ok for atheists to do the same. Projection? That's cute. Projection is completely new and nobody who was obviously losing an argument has ever used it in desperation. EquusDancer thinks it's okay to preach Atheism, but it's not okay to preach Christianity. That's called a double standard or hypocrisy. Not that it's relevant to the discussion, but since you brought it up...I think everyone should be able to freely talk about their beliefs. I've had nice conversations with Muslims, Hindus and Christians of various sects and we've always found a way to be polite and find common ground. I find the dogmatic atheists (the one who have turned atheism from a rejection of the belief in a God into a religion with them as it's zealots) to be very difficult to have a civil conversation with. All they want is for everyone else shut up while they pontificate on how there is no God and only stupid and uneducated people say there is a God. Actually, she didn't say preach. She said talk about. There's a difference. Since you said everyone should be able to freely talk about their beliefs, I don't see why you had a problem with what she said. I also believe the same. However, I prefer not to be preached to and there are some christians who can't have a conversation about beliefs without preaching and trying to convert. Bingo! I enjoy talking with someone who's willing to talk. Heck, I have great memories of my mom and a Jehovah's Witness gentleman who would come around every couple of months and they'd talk back and forth for 2-3 hours. They never really changed each others views, but they both seemed to enjoy it. But it's not talk, if it's one-sided. It's a lecture, or preaching, or nagging... |
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playing devil's advocate here (no pun intended )...I think some of the wording might be the issue here
They want to convert you, or want you to shut up and not speak to them about atheism. to sit there and tell me that I can't speak to them about my views while they can preach and nag to me, To me, this is saying that non-Christians only talk about it and Christians don't talk, they only preach, nag and convert. I say this because I'm Christian and I don't think I've ever preached or nagged (at least not about religion )
I think this is were the misunderstanding might be coming from...then again....what do I know
See singmesweet's response and mine following hers. I have no problem talking with someone who wants to talk and its a two-way conversation. It's when they want to talk, but don't want to listen, that it becomes preaching and nagging! |
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A belief in a god can't be proven wrong, no way. A beleif in no god also can't be proven wrong, no way.
But the Bible and its definition of God as a Christian god can very easily be proven to be riddled with gaping logical impossibilities, which necesseraly render the bible not to be believed. But please don't lose heart, Christians; all scriptures, of all religions, are riddled with logically impossible stuff. In the Hindu religion, for instance, the Creator gets born to a couple, a relgular earthling couple, and later in his life the creator, when he is old enought to be able to know this, goes back in time to tell his parents to travel to such and such city to conceive him, nine months of course before his birth. And I imagine that still later in his life he creates the world that contain his own parents, who will later birth him. The Hindus beieve that this is the absolute truth. Christians believe that God forgave everyone, as he has said, he advises to not judge as he has also forgiven everyone, and then God also says to us better to avoid sin coz we'll be judged and punished for our sins -- which, he just finished saying, have been forgiven. The Christians believe that this is the absolute truth. |
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1. The reluctance of Christians to bow to logic, and abandon their faith due to the unassailable logic that refutes the bible, right after a particular debate or another on the forums. Cute. It's ironic that Atheists always talk about how Christians try to convert them, but they have no qualms about insulting the intelligence of Christians. All the while ignoring all of the famous mathematicians, philosophers, inventors and scientists who were also Christians. What's worse, trying to convince someone your beliefs are right or calling them stupid? I'll tell you which one is scientific: Trying to convince someone you are right. I'll tell you which one is juvenile: Calling names. |
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See singmesweet's response and mine following hers. I have no problem talking with someone who wants to talk and its a two-way conversation. It's when they want to talk, but don't want to listen, that it becomes preaching and nagging! I agree 100%. That can happen from any group of anything though. I've been preached at by Christians and non-Christians alike
I enjoy learning about others and taught my son that too. No one wants to be preached at regardless of what the belief is. I would rather have a cup of coffee and learn as long as the other is willing to listen too. |
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Actually, she didn't say preach. She said talk about. There's a difference. Since you said everyone should be able to freely talk about their beliefs, I don't see why you had a problem with what she said. I also believe the same. However, I prefer not to be preached to and there are some christians who can't have a conversation about beliefs without preaching and trying to convert. I can image the conversation... "Remember on the news when they said that it was a miracle that a baby survived when that plane crashed? Well it wasn't a miracle. There are no miracles, because there is no God. God is just a made up fantasy for the weak minded? What! You dare defend your beliefs and intelligence? I'm not dating a jerk like you again!!!" LOL! Said guy and I probably wouldn't have been dating to begin with. But yeah, in a nutshell, that's what I believe... |
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Christians believe that God forgave everyone Nope, Christians don't believe that. he advises to not judge as he has also forgiven everyone Nope, God didn't say that. nd then God also says to us better to avoid sin coz we'll be judged and punished for our sins That's sort of true, unless you are reading the New Testament... which, he just finished saying, have been forgiven. Once again, NO. The Christians believe that this is the absolute truth. Just because you insist that we believe that nonsense, doesn't mean we do. |
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The three greatest sources of annoyance of atheists in connections with preaching to christians: 3. Christians' attitude that a universe with no god is incomprehensible. "I know you beleive there is no God, but you gotta admit that God loves you still, even if you don't believe in Him." Or, a shorter version, "What have you got against God that makes you hate him?" This is not said, in actuality, it would be blasphemous, but theists say a number of corollaries, paraphrased, of this. 2. Christians who quote the bible with incomprehensibly irrelevant quotes to counter logical arguments that they can't counter themselves, effectively and invoking the words of God from the scriptures. 1. The reluctance of Christians to bow to logic, and abandon their faith due to the unassailable logic that refutes the bible, right after a particular debate or another on the forums. If Atheists wouldn't preach to Christian then they wouldn't be annoyed... Can you comprehend that inassailable logic? Yes, makes perfect sense. I assume by "you" you meant "me". While what you say is true, I prefer to call my preaching "debate". the differences are there: Preaching is a monologue, a debate is an ongoing exchange of ideas. I have never prought (today above is the first time) atheistic ideas, and my debates are restricted to attackign the alleged truth in the Bible, I do not embark on convincing anyone to abandon faith in god. |
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A belief in a god can't be proven wrong, no way. A beleif in no god also can't be proven wrong, no way. But the Bible and its definition of God as a Christian god can very easily be proven to be riddled with gaping logical impossibilities, which necesseraly render the bible not to be believed. But please don't lose heart, Christians; all scriptures, of all religions, are riddled with logically impossible stuff. In the Hindu religion, for instance, the Creator gets born to a couple, a relgular earthling couple, and later in his life the creator, when he is old enought to be able to know this, goes back in time to tell his parents to travel to such and such city to conceive him, nine months of course before his birth. And I imagine that still later in his life he creates the world that contain his own parents, who will later birth him. The Hindus beieve that this is the absolute truth. Christians believe that God forgave everyone, as he has said, he advises to not judge as he has also forgiven everyone, and then God also says to us better to avoid sin coz we'll be judged and punished for our sins -- which, he just finished saying, have been forgiven. The Christians believe that this is the absolute truth. I took a comparative religions course in college, and enjoyed going to the Buddhist temple (they are essentially an atheistic belief system) and a Hindu temple. At the Hindu temple, the monk explained a broad overview of their views, and when I asked his view on atheism, he just responded that all paths return to God. An atheist has to walk his/her path as well, and as long as one follows the basic moral tenets of being a good person, then they're still working for God. I thought it was interesting. |
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See singmesweet's response and mine following hers. I have no problem talking with someone who wants to talk and its a two-way conversation. It's when they want to talk, but don't want to listen, that it becomes preaching and nagging! I agree 100%. That can happen from any group of anything though. I've been preached at by Christians and non-Christians alike
I enjoy learning about others and taught my son that too. No one wants to be preached at regardless of what the belief is. I would rather have a cup of coffee and learn as long as the other is willing to listen too. Amen! I agree, I've seen it with many other things as well, and not just religion and politics.
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A belief in a god can't be proven wrong, no way. A beleif in no god also can't be proven wrong, no way. But the Bible and its definition of God as a Christian god can very easily be proven to be riddled with gaping logical impossibilities, which necesseraly render the bible not to be believed. But please don't lose heart, Christians; all scriptures, of all religions, are riddled with logically impossible stuff. In the Hindu religion, for instance, the Creator gets born to a couple, a relgular earthling couple, and later in his life the creator, when he is old enought to be able to know this, goes back in time to tell his parents to travel to such and such city to conceive him, nine months of course before his birth. And I imagine that still later in his life he creates the world that contain his own parents, who will later birth him. The Hindus beieve that this is the absolute truth. Christians believe that God forgave everyone, as he has said, he advises to not judge as he has also forgiven everyone, and then God also says to us better to avoid sin coz we'll be judged and punished for our sins -- which, he just finished saying, have been forgiven. The Christians believe that this is the absolute truth. I took a comparative religions course in college, and enjoyed going to the Buddhist temple (they are essentially an atheistic belief system) and a Hindu temple. At the Hindu temple, the monk explained a broad overview of their views, and when I asked his view on atheism, he just responded that all paths return to God. An atheist has to walk his/her path as well, and as long as one follows the basic moral tenets of being a good person, then they're still working for God. I thought it was interesting. Do you believe that Christianity teaches the same thing? |
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How is it that after 50 years I still get sucked into these lame-azz discussions?
Ho-hum...  Cheers...
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Edited by
eileena9
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Thu 06/16/11 06:56 PM
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OVBM Lori,OVBM Lori, OVBM Lori!!!!!!
Are you causing problems again??????  
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How is it that after 50 years I still get sucked into these lame-azz discussions? Ho-hum... Cheers...
Hi Ted. 
Nice to see you back
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