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You don't understand what being Christian means and try to tell me how I'm doing it wrong? Okay then... God told us to fight evil where you find it. It is very possible to fight evil and love the people that are perpetrating the evil at the same time. Don't know how you can say I am criticizing God by criticizing the evil perpetrated by these people. I am actually following God by doing this... Love is to show the Truth to those around you including your enemies. It is not love to embrace someone that has committed a horrific act and tell them it is fine and everything is great knowing they will do it again. "mylifetoday"...you still have made no distinction as to how your love is any different than hate ...never saying anything positive with constant negative criticisms about those you claim to Love points to anger issues on a sociopathic level There's no negative criticism done. We are ALL sinners, that would also include the speaker, in this case this time me. We all have our faults, no one's claiming to be better then another, no one's downing another for something. We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We are no better then you, we are all equal. We have all fallen short of the glory of God, we all sin. We're merely showing the path to again, be forgiven for these "faults". They will be washed away as they never happened. To reititerate what Jeannie said earlier, this type of stuff is exactly the problem with the hardcore religious, because it puts your truth above all others. If you wanna believe these things, fine be my guest, that's your own path. But when you start to say, we must do such and such things to be forgiven and saved and lump us in with you, that's where I have a problem. We can respect what you believe, so long as you respect ours too. This kind of thing isn't that to me. Even if you're included, it is nevertheless our beliefs, OUR beliefs. These beliefs can not effect you any other way but the way you allow it to effect you. If you don't believe as we do, as you've mentioned before, why does it matter what we believe then? What harm does it bring to you, from what we believe? What could what we believe have any form of harmful effect on you in anyway shape or form? Cowboy I don't care what you believe, really. But don't go around calling the rest of us "sinners." If you want to believe that stuff, believe it. We know all about how Christians believe that everyone is a "sinner." Its nothing new. You are preaching when you say: "We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We know all about your path and your path is YOUR path but it is not OUR path. We don't want forgiveness from your alien god. We don't want to go up into his alien ship or go live and worship him in his alien paradise. I hope that is clear enough. If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. I am the high priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty and I would hope to bring some people to their senses. I freely admit I am here to try to save your soul from an eternity of service to Lucifer, your creator. That's preaching. Yep I'm here to preach. Like it or not. lol |
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You don't understand what being Christian means and try to tell me how I'm doing it wrong? Okay then... God told us to fight evil where you find it. It is very possible to fight evil and love the people that are perpetrating the evil at the same time. Don't know how you can say I am criticizing God by criticizing the evil perpetrated by these people. I am actually following God by doing this... Love is to show the Truth to those around you including your enemies. It is not love to embrace someone that has committed a horrific act and tell them it is fine and everything is great knowing they will do it again. "mylifetoday"...you still have made no distinction as to how your love is any different than hate ...never saying anything positive with constant negative criticisms about those you claim to Love points to anger issues on a sociopathic level There's no negative criticism done. We are ALL sinners, that would also include the speaker, in this case this time me. We all have our faults, no one's claiming to be better then another, no one's downing another for something. We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We are no better then you, we are all equal. We have all fallen short of the glory of God, we all sin. We're merely showing the path to again, be forgiven for these "faults". They will be washed away as they never happened. To reititerate what Jeannie said earlier, this type of stuff is exactly the problem with the hardcore religious, because it puts your truth above all others. If you wanna believe these things, fine be my guest, that's your own path. But when you start to say, we must do such and such things to be forgiven and saved and lump us in with you, that's where I have a problem. We can respect what you believe, so long as you respect ours too. This kind of thing isn't that to me. Even if you're included, it is nevertheless our beliefs, OUR beliefs. These beliefs can not effect you any other way but the way you allow it to effect you. If you don't believe as we do, as you've mentioned before, why does it matter what we believe then? What harm does it bring to you, from what we believe? What could what we believe have any form of harmful effect on you in anyway shape or form? Cowboy I don't care what you believe, really. But don't go around calling the rest of us "sinners." If you want to believe that stuff, believe it. We know all about how Christians believe that everyone is a "sinner." Its nothing new. You are preaching when you say: "We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We know all about your path and your path is YOUR path but it is not OUR path. We don't want forgiveness from your alien god. We don't want to go up into his alien ship or go live and worship him in his alien paradise. I hope that is clear enough. If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. I am the high priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty and I would hope to bring some people to their senses. I freely admit I am here to try to save your soul from an eternity of service to Lucifer, your creator. That's preaching. Yep I'm here to preach. Like it or not. Then if you're here to preach, why are you griping at me for doing it when in reality I'm not preaching in the first place? What makes it ok for you to preach, but not me if I wanted to? |
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lol, sorry but you've misunderstood someone somewhere. No one's putting you in a box, no one's trying to conform to any beliefs. This is a "Chat" forum and or a "discussion" forum. We're all just chatting and or discussing things about our different beliefs. It's called sharing with one another. No one expects you to believe as they do, unless of course you choose to. But nevertheless that isn't the reason of saying something, we're all just sharing. Just sharing and getting to know one another on a deeper level then just "Hi, my name is Cowboy."
Well your so-called "chat" sounds like preaching to me. Why do you think we want you to share your belief? If you had a sandwich made out of dog biscuits and tried to share it with me, I would have to decline. No thanks, I don't want it. If you like is so much you eat it. But don't tell me that its good for me, and act like you think you are doing me a favor. Yuck. We choose not to believe as you do. Don't think we have not heard all that dogma and rhetoric before a million times from a millions voices all wanting to "share" their belief with others. There are those who believe that Lucifer is the god that created mankind, therefor it is very possible that you are worshiping Lucifer. In any case, what ever alien created humankind, I don't want to worship him. I don't care what his name is. Ok then, I'll ask you what I asked in my last post. Then why are you in a "general" religion chat forum? If you do not care of other people's beliefs, why go to a place where you'll be talked to about them? And again, that is fine you don't wish to believe as I do. If I tell you, I think the color blue is the greatest color, is that me saying you have to believe so as well? No, just sharing a person view of something. That is what is being done in this forum, just sharing a personal view on the subject at hand. Not saying you HAVE to believe, or anything. Just sharing and getting to know one another on a deeper level. The problem is, it's inferred in your religion that if we don't believe as you do and never do, that we cannot be saved or know God. We on the other hand never tell you that, therein lies the difference IMO. We may try and wake you up, but even if you never do, there's nothing hanging over you for choosing not to. The same cannot be said for your side. |
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You don't understand what being Christian means and try to tell me how I'm doing it wrong? Okay then... God told us to fight evil where you find it. It is very possible to fight evil and love the people that are perpetrating the evil at the same time. Don't know how you can say I am criticizing God by criticizing the evil perpetrated by these people. I am actually following God by doing this... Love is to show the Truth to those around you including your enemies. It is not love to embrace someone that has committed a horrific act and tell them it is fine and everything is great knowing they will do it again. "mylifetoday"...you still have made no distinction as to how your love is any different than hate ...never saying anything positive with constant negative criticisms about those you claim to Love points to anger issues on a sociopathic level There's no negative criticism done. We are ALL sinners, that would also include the speaker, in this case this time me. We all have our faults, no one's claiming to be better then another, no one's downing another for something. We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We are no better then you, we are all equal. We have all fallen short of the glory of God, we all sin. We're merely showing the path to again, be forgiven for these "faults". They will be washed away as they never happened. To reititerate what Jeannie said earlier, this type of stuff is exactly the problem with the hardcore religious, because it puts your truth above all others. If you wanna believe these things, fine be my guest, that's your own path. But when you start to say, we must do such and such things to be forgiven and saved and lump us in with you, that's where I have a problem. We can respect what you believe, so long as you respect ours too. This kind of thing isn't that to me. Even if you're included, it is nevertheless our beliefs, OUR beliefs. These beliefs can not effect you any other way but the way you allow it to effect you. If you don't believe as we do, as you've mentioned before, why does it matter what we believe then? What harm does it bring to you, from what we believe? What could what we believe have any form of harmful effect on you in anyway shape or form? Cowboy I don't care what you believe, really. But don't go around calling the rest of us "sinners." If you want to believe that stuff, believe it. We know all about how Christians believe that everyone is a "sinner." Its nothing new. You are preaching when you say: "We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We know all about your path and your path is YOUR path but it is not OUR path. We don't want forgiveness from your alien god. We don't want to go up into his alien ship or go live and worship him in his alien paradise. I hope that is clear enough. If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. I am the high priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty and I would hope to bring some people to their senses. I freely admit I am here to try to save your soul from an eternity of service to Lucifer, your creator. That's preaching. Yep I'm here to preach. Like it or not. Then if you're here to preach, why are you griping at me for doing it when in reality I'm not preaching in the first place? What makes it ok for you to preach, but not me if I wanted to? Because you ARE preaching and you are lying and saying that you are not preaching. I fully admit I am preaching. At least I am not a liar. If you are going to preach, then admit it and stop thinking that you are a con man that can pull "I'm just having a discussion" bull crap lie on everyone. You were practically born yesterday compared to me, and I'm just not that stupid. |
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You don't understand what being Christian means and try to tell me how I'm doing it wrong? Okay then... God told us to fight evil where you find it. It is very possible to fight evil and love the people that are perpetrating the evil at the same time. Don't know how you can say I am criticizing God by criticizing the evil perpetrated by these people. I am actually following God by doing this... Love is to show the Truth to those around you including your enemies. It is not love to embrace someone that has committed a horrific act and tell them it is fine and everything is great knowing they will do it again. "mylifetoday"...you still have made no distinction as to how your love is any different than hate ...never saying anything positive with constant negative criticisms about those you claim to Love points to anger issues on a sociopathic level There's no negative criticism done. We are ALL sinners, that would also include the speaker, in this case this time me. We all have our faults, no one's claiming to be better then another, no one's downing another for something. We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We are no better then you, we are all equal. We have all fallen short of the glory of God, we all sin. We're merely showing the path to again, be forgiven for these "faults". They will be washed away as they never happened. To reititerate what Jeannie said earlier, this type of stuff is exactly the problem with the hardcore religious, because it puts your truth above all others. If you wanna believe these things, fine be my guest, that's your own path. But when you start to say, we must do such and such things to be forgiven and saved and lump us in with you, that's where I have a problem. We can respect what you believe, so long as you respect ours too. This kind of thing isn't that to me. Even if you're included, it is nevertheless our beliefs, OUR beliefs. These beliefs can not effect you any other way but the way you allow it to effect you. If you don't believe as we do, as you've mentioned before, why does it matter what we believe then? What harm does it bring to you, from what we believe? What could what we believe have any form of harmful effect on you in anyway shape or form? Cowboy I don't care what you believe, really. But don't go around calling the rest of us "sinners." If you want to believe that stuff, believe it. We know all about how Christians believe that everyone is a "sinner." Its nothing new. You are preaching when you say: "We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will. We know all about your path and your path is YOUR path but it is not OUR path. We don't want forgiveness from your alien god. We don't want to go up into his alien ship or go live and worship him in his alien paradise. I hope that is clear enough. If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. I am the high priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty and I would hope to bring some people to their senses. I freely admit I am here to try to save your soul from an eternity of service to Lucifer, your creator. That's preaching. Yep I'm here to preach. Like it or not. Then if you're here to preach, why are you griping at me for doing it when in reality I'm not preaching in the first place? What makes it ok for you to preach, but not me if I wanted to? Because you ARE preaching and you are lying and saying that you are not preaching. I fully admit I am preaching. At least I am not a liar. If you are going to preach, then admit it and stop thinking that you are a con man that can pull "I'm just having a discussion" bull crap lie on everyone. You were practically born yesterday compared to me, and I'm just not that stupid. LoL, you're funny. Seriously, no one's preaching. Just sharing their own personal belief on whatever the topic may be at that time. lol, thank Jeannie, needed this. Stink'n insomnia has got a hold of me right now and thought it was just going to be a dull boring night waiting till I get sleepy. |
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Well you can take your personal belief and your dog biscuit sandwich and eat it where the sun don't shine.
Glad you like my sense of humor. Say hi to Lucifer for me when you get to paradise. |
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lol, sorry but you've misunderstood someone somewhere. No one's putting you in a box, no one's trying to conform to any beliefs. This is a "Chat" forum and or a "discussion" forum. We're all just chatting and or discussing things about our different beliefs. It's called sharing with one another. No one expects you to believe as they do, unless of course you choose to. But nevertheless that isn't the reason of saying something, we're all just sharing. Just sharing and getting to know one another on a deeper level then just "Hi, my name is Cowboy."
Well your so-called "chat" sounds like preaching to me. Why do you think we want you to share your belief? If you had a sandwich made out of dog biscuits and tried to share it with me, I would have to decline. No thanks, I don't want it. If you like is so much you eat it. But don't tell me that its good for me, and act like you think you are doing me a favor. Yuck. We choose not to believe as you do. Don't think we have not heard all that dogma and rhetoric before a million times from a millions voices all wanting to "share" their belief with others. There are those who believe that Lucifer is the god that created mankind, therefor it is very possible that you are worshiping Lucifer. In any case, what ever alien created humankind, I don't want to worship him. I don't care what his name is. Ok then, I'll ask you what I asked in my last post. Then why are you in a "general" religion chat forum? If you do not care of other people's beliefs, why go to a place where you'll be talked to about them? And again, that is fine you don't wish to believe as I do. If I tell you, I think the color blue is the greatest color, is that me saying you have to believe so as well? No, just sharing a person view of something. That is what is being done in this forum, just sharing a personal view on the subject at hand. Not saying you HAVE to believe, or anything. Just sharing and getting to know one another on a deeper level. The problem is, it's inferred in your religion that if we don't believe as you do and never do, that we cannot be saved or know God. We on the other hand never tell you that, therein lies the difference IMO. We may try and wake you up, but even if you never do, there's nothing hanging over you for choosing not to. The same cannot be said for your side. Everyone's belief is going to infer that. It's not just Christianity. Buddhists believe Buddha has knowledge to the way, Christianity believes they have the knowledge to the way, ect ect. How could it be possible for two beliefs to be correct and or for someone to have beliefs in both? Please give me just one example of how someone could have two specific religious beliefs. Yeah, someone could take a part from this belief, a part from that belief, ect. But that's not entirely following both or more. So again, please give me just one example how someone could follow two different beliefs completely. And or how two different beliefs could at least be true at the same time. |
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Cowboy wrote:
If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. What "discussion"? 
All you ever do is PREACH and deny, PREACH and deny. 
You claim to speak for GOD, and everyone else is WRONG. 
How can anyone argue with that? 
It's arrogance gone berserk. You're not here to DISCUSS anything. All you ever do is pretend that YOU speak for GOD. 
But trust me Cowboy, the only person you're fooling is yourself. |
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Cowboy...
If they say they have had enough, we need to respect that . The Word has been shared..now it's time to let it be. I'm all for that. Unless someone has a question...nothing more needs to be said. Be Blessed Everyone..heading out of here now. 
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Cowboy wrote:
If you don't care about another's beliefs, then may I ask why you are in a "General" religion forum? Religions of all beliefs come to this forum, so you'll in turn have contact with the different beliefs. And no, still no preaching. Me stating ""We're just trying to show the path to be forgiven for these "mistakes, mishaps, ect", faults if you will" Is my belief. You don't have to believe it, if you believe it or not is mute. It is irrelevant to the discussion. What "discussion"?
All you ever do is PREACH and deny, PREACH and deny.
You claim to speak for GOD, and everyone else is WRONG.
How can anyone argue with that?
It's arrogance gone berserk. You're not here to DISCUSS anything. All you ever do is pretend that YOU speak for GOD.
But trust me Cowboy, the only person you're fooling is yourself. lol no, all I do is merely express my beliefs on what ever the subject may be at the time. You may or may not know the beliefs I possess on the certain subject, but that is mute anyways. Cause there are other's that read these forums that may or may not. Again, not preaching, just merely sharing and discussing just as everyone else is doing. |
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Cowboy... If they say they have had enough, we need to respect that . The Word has been shared..now it's time to let it be. I'm all for that. Unless someone has a question...nothing more needs to be said. Be Blessed Everyone..heading out of here now.
Consider your request granted. :) Good night all. |
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Everyone's belief is going to infer that. It's not just Christianity. Buddhists believe Buddha has knowledge to the way, Christianity believes they have the knowledge to the way, ect ect. How could it be possible for two beliefs to be correct and or for someone to have beliefs in both? Please give me just one example of how someone could have two specific religious beliefs. Yeah, someone could take a part from this belief, a part from that belief, ect. But that's not entirely following both or more. So again, please give me just one example how someone could follow two different beliefs completely. And or how two different beliefs could at least be true at the same time.
Lets try to go easy on the quote button, these posts are getting ridiculously long. Okay? In answer to your question: Everyone knows that you are married to your belief and that you are not willing or able to be unbiased or open minded to any other possibilities. Therefore anything you say is not really a "discussion" of possibilities. It is you stating what you think is true. You have not for one second considered the possibility that you are totally wrong. Which you are. I am telling you that the God you worship could very possibly be an alien scientist named Lucifer. Sure he wants followers, because he wants your life force back so he can recycle it. He also wants to prevent you from knowing the real truth. He has done a very good job of that. You belong to him lock stock and soul. |
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Doubled.
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Everyone's belief is going to infer that. It's not just Christianity. Buddhists believe Buddha has knowledge to the way, Christianity believes they have the knowledge to the way, ect ect. How could it be possible for two beliefs to be correct and or for someone to have beliefs in both? Please give me just one example of how someone could have two specific religious beliefs. Yeah, someone could take a part from this belief, a part from that belief, ect. But that's not entirely following both or more. So again, please give me just one example how someone could follow two different beliefs completely. And or how two different beliefs could at least be true at the same time. I'm not saying they can, what I'm saying is, the difference between my belief and yours, is that no matter what happens or whether you believe what I do or not, the outcome will be the same. It does not matter whether you believe me or not, because we all go back from whence we came. Would your life improve if you could see what I do? Perhaps, but there's no threat of not being good enough for God if you don't believe me. In your religion though, it's either your way, or no way at all, and if I don't believe you, I can't be saved. |
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By the way Jeannie your hair looks really nice. 
 <---- Hot Guru 
Thanks Abra! That picture was taken last week. I'm letting my hair grow out again. I'll be putting up a new picture every week. |
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By the way Jeannie your hair looks really nice.
<---- Hot Guru
Thanks Abra! That picture was taken last week. I'm letting my hair grow out again. I'll be putting up a new picture every week. I wouldn't mind if you kept that one personally lol. 
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Cowboy wrote:
Everyone's belief is going to infer that. It's not just Christianity. Buddhists believe Buddha has knowledge to the way, Christianity believes they have the knowledge to the way, ect ect. How could it be possible for two beliefs to be correct and or for someone to have beliefs in both? Please give me just one example of how someone could have two specific religious beliefs. Yeah, someone could take a part from this belief, a part from that belief, ect. But that's not entirely following both or more. So again, please give me just one example how someone could follow two different beliefs completely. And or how two different beliefs could at least be true at the same time. Your just demonstrating your gross ignorance of other religions and spirituality. I can be both Wiccan and Buddhist simultaneously with absolutely no conflict whatsoever. And they can both be perfectly true with no conflict whatsoever. You're just so deeply entrenched in the "Jealous God" religions, that you can't even comprehend spiritual concepts beyond those trivial and limited ideas. So no Cowboy, you're totally wrong about other religions and spiritual beliefs, practices, and traditions. You simple don't understand them well enough to even comment on them. All you know of is the "Jealous God" types of religions that would indeed be in conflict since all the various "Gods" of those religions have big egos and would be really peeved if they weren't the ultimate "Authority". In fact, your entire religion is based on "Authority, obedience, disobedience, and reward or punishment" Apparently that's the box you're stuck in and can't see out of. I don't even think of those things when I think of spirituality. The concept you dwell on are mundane petty topics for people who aren't intelligent enough to act right on their own accord.
I've moved far beyond those petty ideologies. Those things are a GIVEN for any intelligent wise person. If you still need a God to keep you in line, all I can say is that's pretty pathetic. I don't know what else to say. |
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Never mind...
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Farewell Minglers and thank you for the time. If you ever want to chat or find me then go to my website fantasychapters dot com to find me.
I wish everyone a great life regardless of what following or belief system you find most desirable and notworthy. It is a personal experience that only you will know if it works. 
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Farewell Minglers and thank you for the time. If you ever want to chat or find me then go to my website fantasychapters dot com to find me. I wish everyone a great life regardless of what following or belief system you find most desirable and notworthy. It is a personal experience that only you will know if it works.
ty, and back atcha
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