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Topic: Humans, Humans we have gone through enough
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/30/11 12:54 PM
logical fallacy = blue is not tangible(perceptible by touch) my pen is tangible, therefore my pin must not be blue sorry MsHarmony perhaps you never heard of "Synthesia"...in which some people have the ability to hear sense or even feel colors including blue ... as I said..your analogies are generally so off the mark of what is being debated glad you agree, some people 'sense' sin,, but that still doesnt make it 'tangible' (perceptible by TOUCH) sin are rules...you either follow the rules or see someone not following them...it's nothing to sense we 'sense' many rules, its called a concsious,, when something doesnt 'feel' right,,,, but on this , there is no absolute answer, just opinions this was mine,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 05/30/11 01:03 PM
logical fallacy = blue is not tangible(perceptible by touch) my pen is tangible, therefore my pin must not be blue sorry MsHarmony perhaps you never heard of "Synthesia"...in which some people have the ability to hear sense or even feel colors including blue ... as I said..your analogies are generally so off the mark of what is being debated glad you agree, some people 'sense' sin,, but that still doesnt make it 'tangible' (perceptible by TOUCH) sin are rules...you either follow the rules or see someone not following them...it's nothing to sense we 'sense' many rules, its called a concsious,, when something doesnt 'feel' right,,,, but on this , there is no absolute answer, just opinions this was mine,,, that's how many people such as witches were falsely accused by those that sense sin or that something didn't fell right to them but had no proof of the person actually sinning

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/30/11 01:10 PM
logical fallacy = blue is not tangible(perceptible by touch) my pen is tangible, therefore my pin must not be blue sorry MsHarmony perhaps you never heard of "Synthesia"...in which some people have the ability to hear sense or even feel colors including blue ... as I said..your analogies are generally so off the mark of what is being debated glad you agree, some people 'sense' sin,, but that still doesnt make it 'tangible' (perceptible by TOUCH) sin are rules...you either follow the rules or see someone not following them...it's nothing to sense we 'sense' many rules, its called a concsious,, when something doesnt 'feel' right,,,, but on this , there is no absolute answer, just opinions this was mine,,, that's how many people such as witches were falsely accused by those that sense sin or that something didn't fell right to them but had no proof of the person actually sinning I know , a case of hypocrisy at its best sensing someones evil because they can 'sense' things kind of like telling someone they are responsible for their own actions but their beliefs are merely mind control,,,,, the human condition has MANY MANY examples of such hypocrisy,, we should certainly start a whole new thread on it in fact

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 02:12 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/30/11 02:15 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 05/30/11 02:16 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/30/11 02:27 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 05/30/11 02:28 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion. what may diffuse the 'blame' however, is how differently the concept of 'condoning' is held from person to person,,, as well as personal interpretation of which circumstances in the Bible were applicable to THAT SPECIFIC situation and which were meant to be applicable to all similar situations,,,

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 02:33 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 05/30/11 02:54 PM
Funches......let's say someone left you a legacy , and it is all written down and explained in his Will. Well Funches, wouldn't you first have to READ the will, in order to see what all is contained within that will for you... and then finally ACCEPT the will , Right? Or, you could just refuse to believe that someone actually left you anything in a will ... and therefore refuse to even read it , much less accept it. And because you refused to first even believe that there was a legacy left for you; that legacy left for you , that is written within that will, would forever remain untouched..... and would remain just a piece of paper.... nothing more.... because the WILL was never CLAIMED or RECEIVED by you. The same goes with God. BUT....the difference is.... GOD LEFT A LEGACY IN HIS WILL FOR US ALL!!!!! BUT..... STILL... WE have to FIRST BELIEVE God actually DID leave us a Legacy(Free Gift of Grace)... and then RECEIVE that Free Gift of Grace...... in order for The Legacy to Becomes Ours.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 02:41 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion. what may diffuse the 'blame' however, is how differently the concept of 'condoning' is held from person to person,,, as well as personal interpretation of which circumstances in the Bible were applicable to THAT SPECIFIC situation and which were meant to be applicable to all similar situations,,, We have all different kinds of people at all different levels of understanding. Some may interpret God's Word one way....and others will interpret it another. No one at any given time is going to interpret God's Word correctly all the time, because not everyone is spirit filled...and also because ,none of us have arrived yet. I mean NONE. Meaning..we are all a work in "progress"...but sadly, until a person IS spirit filled, people are going to make the bible say anything ole thing they want to.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/30/11 02:47 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 05/30/11 02:48 PM
That's a bunch of hoey Morningsong. You believe you are "spririt filled" and you look at others and you believe they are not. It makes you feel very special I am sure; but comes off as sort of arrogant and kind of self righteous. That's just what it looks like to me. But then, I'm just an ignorant pagan.

mylifetoday Joined Sat 01/08/11 Posts: 1943	Mon 05/30/11 02:56 PM
I believe Jesus is the Son of God and my Lord and Savior. To say He should not have done xxx is to say I know what God should have done better. but didn't God also create Muslims .. so when you critize Muslims and suggest that perhaps they disappear aren't you also critizing what God has done Nope - Because Muhammad created the Muslim faith of his own Free Will. no it was God that created the Muslim faith and use the angel gabriel ( The holy spirit) to deliver it to Mohammad but either way God still created the Muslims...and you are critizing God for doing so Nope - Muhammad created the Muslim faith as Jesus created the Christian faith. God didn't create either. The question is: Do you believe Jesus was right or Muhammad was right. You discard Jesus. I discard Muhammad. Therefore to you God was not with Jesus. And to me God was not with Muhammad. Simple... "mylifetoday"...allow me to explain why you are required to love everyone including your enemies ....it's because God created everyone...they are all part of his Divine Plan this is why for you to go around ranting about how there should be no Muslims is actually you critizing what your God hath created ....shame shame shame..sin sin sin those that believe in God should have no complaints with anything that is taking place in the world because it's all part of God's Divine Plan Christians because they are commanded to Love their enemies have become apathetic as to the concept of what actually Love is.....is Love suppose to make people feel bad or be use to critize what God have done...or is Love suppose to make others feel Good and uplifted..... You don't understand what being Christian means and try to tell me how I'm doing it wrong? Okay then... God told us to fight evil where you find it. It is very possible to fight evil and love the people that are perpetrating the evil at the same time. Don't know how you can say I am criticizing God by criticizing the evil perpetrated by these people. I am actually following God by doing this... Love is to show the Truth to those around you including your enemies. It is not love to embrace someone that has committed a horrific act and tell them it is fine and everything is great knowing they will do it again.

sweetboy3030 Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1188	Mon 05/30/11 02:56 PM Edited by sweetboy3030 on Mon 05/30/11 02:57 PM
That's cute, but war, hatred, violence and greed are nessasecary in this world.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 03:01 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 05/30/11 03:11 PM
I understand I may appear that way, Jeannie. But God DID give ALL believers His Holy Spirit , so that we could clearly hear His Voice..and properly interpret and know His Word. (but we still have to consider also..that all believers are all at different levels of growth in their spiritual walk ). But they ALL have the same Holy Spirit as their teacher now. This is the reason why we need the Holy Spirit to teach us.... and not man... otherwise again, we can make the bible say any ole thing we want it to. This is why God said in His Word, "My sheep hear my voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow."

mylifetoday Joined Sat 01/08/11 Posts: 1943	Mon 05/30/11 03:18 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion. Christianity is not a religion. I am Christian. But I have yet to find a Church / Religion that I will call myself a member of because I disagree with a few tenants of each Church I have looked at. My faith is Christian. I adhere to a set of beliefs that are common to all Christians. However, I do not have a religion that I belong to. I'm still looking... The closest I came to a religion was a Lutheran Church I attended. The only reason being, the Pastor didn't walk lock step with all Lutheran theology.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/30/11 03:20 PM
christianity is a religion which can also be a faith you adhere to the faith but dont claim the religion which is fine because I dont think its the semantics which matter as much as the reality does,,,

mylifetoday Joined Sat 01/08/11 Posts: 1943	Mon 05/30/11 03:24 PM
Funches......let's say someone left you a legacy , and it is all written down and explained in his Will. Well Funches, wouldn't you first have to READ the will, in order to see what all is contained within that will for you... and then finally ACCEPT the will , Right? Or, you could just refuse to believe that someone actually left you anything in a will ... and therefore refuse to even read it , much less accept it. And because you refused to first even believe that there was a legacy left for you; that legacy left for you , that is written within that will, would forever remain untouched..... and would remain just a piece of paper.... nothing more.... because the WILL was never CLAIMED or RECEIVED by you. The same goes with God. BUT....the difference is.... GOD LEFT A LEGACY IN HIS WILL FOR US ALL!!!!! BUT..... STILL... WE have to FIRST BELIEVE God actually DID leave us a Legacy(Free Gift of Grace)... and then RECEIVE that Free Gift of Grace...... in order for The Legacy to Becomes Ours. That reminds me. Had a wonderful example of how Jesus' sacrifice applies in our life. It is a gift He has given to us. Like any gift you receive. Wrapped up in a pretty package with a bow. The wrapping to so nice a lot of people will put their wrapped package on the mantel and admire it. You can't actually receive the gift until you open the package. From what is being said, I would say there are some people that either aren't aware this is a gift on their mantel and others that have stuck it down with all the rest of the junk in their lives. But the gift is there for everyone to open.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/30/11 03:33 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion. Christianity is not a religion. I am Christian. But I have yet to find a Church / Religion that I will call myself a member of because I disagree with a few tenants of each Church I have looked at. My faith is Christian. I adhere to a set of beliefs that are common to all Christians. However, I do not have a religion that I belong to. I'm still looking... The closest I came to a religion was a Lutheran Church I attended. The only reason being, the Pastor didn't walk lock step with all Lutheran theology. Christianity IS a religion. Your set of beliefs from the teachings of the Bible IS a religion whether or not you have found the church of your liking or not. When you say you do not "have a religion" that you "belong" to you are talking about a specific Church. Churches are not religions. Your beliefs common to all Christians is your religion.

mylifetoday Joined Sat 01/08/11 Posts: 1943	Mon 05/30/11 04:22 PM
Actually, the witch killing was an example of what religiousity does, not christianity. The Bible supports the killing of witches Morningsong. I wonder where all this "religiousity" comes from? Making up words is not going to take the blame off Christianity, the religion. Christianity is not a religion. I am Christian. But I have yet to find a Church / Religion that I will call myself a member of because I disagree with a few tenants of each Church I have looked at. My faith is Christian. I adhere to a set of beliefs that are common to all Christians. However, I do not have a religion that I belong to. I'm still looking... The closest I came to a religion was a Lutheran Church I attended. The only reason being, the Pastor didn't walk lock step with all Lutheran theology. Christianity IS a religion. Your set of beliefs from the teachings of the Bible IS a religion whether or not you have found the church of your liking or not. When you say you do not "have a religion" that you "belong" to you are talking about a specific Church. Churches are not religions. Your beliefs common to all Christians is your religion. The reason I say it is not a religion is because so many get bent out of shape saying that Religions are the things to blame for a lot of problems. There is no organized group that tells me to do anything. I don't follow the Catholic Church or Lutheran Church or Baptist or Mormon or... If the Pope says something I will listen but will make my own decision. That is what I mean when I say I don't have a religion. I won't follow any crowd for any reason. It seems to me that so many on here that are criticizing Christianity are following the crowd condemning it. It is the "in" thing to do these days...

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 04:28 PM
Christianity IS listed among the worlds religions. And because of that,Some people will always see christianity as just a relgion. Nothing more. Even though Christianity was never MEANT to be TURNED into just another religion(man did that), it is stil regarded by the world as just another religion. But .. even though one may start off with just a christian religion, one will HOPEFULLY and eventually learn the TRUTH of what christianity is REALLY all about .... (which is about RELATIONSIP WITH GOD...) and will move on from religion to relatiomship. But sadly, some "christians"(church goers) NEVER DO move on from religion to relationship with God... and so therefore will just see christianity as just a christian religion... and nothing more.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/30/11 04:32 PM
The reason I say it is not a religion is because so many get bent out of shape saying that Religions are the things to blame for a lot of problems. There is no organized group that tells me to do anything. I don't follow the Catholic Church or Lutheran Church or Baptist or Mormon or... If the Pope says something I will listen but will make my own decision. That is what I mean when I say I don't have a religion. I won't follow any crowd for any reason. It seems to me that so many on here that are criticizing Christianity are following the crowd condemning it. It is the "in" thing to do these days... It it my hope that all "Christians" eventually learn to actually think for themselves and stop following "the doctrines" that have divided the entire world. Everyone will be a church unto themselves, like you. And like me.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/30/11 05:02 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 05/30/11 05:19 PM
Born again Believers STILL go to church , have fellowship, read and study the bible, worship together, pray, and everything else that they were doing before..... when they just understood christianity to be only a religion. The only difference is..they have a RELATIONSHIP with God now. But that DOESN'T mean they are to forsake the assembly of believers now.... just because they are now born again. In fact, they hunger for God and His Word more than ever now... and LOVE ALL PEOPLE now more than ever......whether others are in the church or not, and whether others are believers are not. The church(where believers gather) is not perfect... but is actually a hospital for sin sick souls....whose doors are open to ALL without judgment of ANY... or at least, the church SHOULD be this way. (In the real sense of the word, church actually means "gathering of believers" )... but again, IF the " gathering" ARE REAL believers, then they WILL INCLUDE AND ALLOW ALL PEOPLE TO ATTEND ..... BY OPENING THEIR CHURCH DOORS...AND BY OPENING THEIR HEARTS.... TO ALL !!