unless we sit still, we are going in a direction,,,

yes certainly we are going somewhere. Actually this planet is going so fast right now as I once was told, yet since it is so large we don't feel it directly unless we close our eyes and spin in a circle for a minute. lol

You want to spin in a circle with me for a minute! ha ha

lol, I am so unable to do spinning, I Get sick quickly,,,

but thanx for the invite,,,

My Friend......

God DID step down from heaven....

thru his SON...

who btw, left ALL His Glory behind

to become man.


Yes....God COULD have stepped down in all his power and glory

and burned us to smitherins..but since God is All Wise...

what would have been accomplished.....


Plus ,God already had a perfect plan in mind, in sending us His Son

Jesus.....

See.....God knows the beginning from the end and the end from the

beginning.

God KNOWS what was/is best for mankind.

Always....

FATHER KNOWS BEST.

btw....I like the name, MorningGlory

MorningGlory is my favorite flower .

Then Morning Glory it will be! lol

You do realize that what you have stated is a personal belief right. You cannot expect people to just believe what you say or what the bible mentions.

Like I have mentioned many believe in a god but not the christian way and preach compassion, love, and happiness. They have a relationship with their god that provides different stories. Some thousands of years older then the old and new testament combined.

Just remember if you want to learn anything then understand that preaching your beliefs (for others mere fables) of a god stepping down from a heaven through his son is not logical for many. Or if he would have done it himself like you mentioned in the previous post he would have burned as ashes. Just review what you write okay. That is all I am asking.

And you must also take in account that if you are wrong and walk on heaven's gate and are denied entrance that perhaps those that have been preaching other methods could be right all along. Therefore, I always mention open ones mind and look into other cultures, lifestyles, belief systems and see that they are all possible no matter how illogical it may sound to you.

I am fortunate to have this opportunity in my lifetime to have lived and visited so many countries with different idealogies that are spiritual or not. By the way each want me badly included in their belief system, yet I say as soon as I join one specific organization I exclude another because of it.

I therefore just smile and enjoy the best of each one and create my own works of happiness regardless if it is popular amongst the people in any community. I don't follow the sheep, I watch sheep. I don't eat only with one group, I eat with every group.

I don't follow one knowledge, I learn from many knowledges and discard ones that lead to racism, prejudice, or any differential issues that could exclude a human being to make them a outsider when they are no different then anyone else when it comes to basic needs and happiness. That is the way of a good and healthy lifestyle.

There have been many that have lived such a lifestyle before Christianity existed. They too have contributed to society that helped future generations live better. Never exclude their knowledge which was created by brilliant minds that use imagination, logic, and reasoning.

My friend....So you don't know today....

there was a time I didn't know either...

Greeneyeman....God purposely created each one of us,

with A measure of faith given to each and every man,

so that man WOULD seek God.


Religion is man's attempt at seeking God.

Relationship is God's attempt at seeking man.

Man may start off with religion in an attempt to seek God, but

when man seeks God with His whole heart, is when God sees His

heart,

and then reaches down to man....at just the right time.


WHEN God sees that man is WILLING to RECIEVE Him,

IS WHEN GOD IS ABLE TO MOVE.

AND NOT BEFORE.

Otherwise again, God would be intruding.

The problem is you believe you know because you believe you have a direct relation with your conscience that you claim is a memory of its own(the god you think) is talking to you. Remember for many scientists this is illogical. I am not discrediting your belief, but don't think because one doesn't believe it to be logical they are missing out on a relationship of someone or something. We are not missing anything just because we don't believe in the idealogy of a relationship of a invisible god like you claim you do.

I do believe in the relationship between one human being to another. That I take as a fact and seriously. This is logical

I totally understand where you are coming from...

and do respect what you are

saying, Greeneeyeman...

I find it highly interesting that believers of faith cannot understand the notion of a person who is perfectly happy in not having a faith in a higher power, but instead believe in what is actually available.

What happens here is they go and say " one day you will see" or one day " you will know" because I know now.

Their evidence of knowing is:

Bible written by men inspired by God's thought and words.
A popular preacher who is using his interpretations of the Bible and his imagination
Speaking with God mentally through a conscience not their own

Why is it so bad for a person to say " we don't know" and still live a great life regardless of not following any specific belief system that religion offers? Why can't we have faith in oneself and take full responsibility for it and still live a great life. I certainly am doing it now. Yes I do wonder at times on the beyond but I don't go straight and say God created it.

Many people use this method when they didn't understand how the planet functioned. They simply said God did it and don't even research further anymore. They are satisfied.

Later scientists found out why and explained. Today is no different. There are explanations for things we don't know yet, but it takes time to find them, don't just go and say God did it and the day is over. That mind set would have still left us in the dark ages. We are humans who are naturally curious and look for possibilities just to exercise or minds and know more about life, yet I find it amusing that those of faith shake their head saying this is the answer pointing at a bible and are perplexed on why the one who doesn't believe to accept it.

They don't want to go the distance of questioning their beliefs anymore because they are 100% sure they know even if it doesn't show any proof about it. It is just words written by many men. Not even a woman put in a verse in these books. Their view wasn't important at all. It is just amazing that this for me is a lazy way of just excluding logic and common sense and I am very happy that we have people that will go beyond the bible studies to experiment and see why things happen without resorting to the simple answer "god did it" and that is all you need to know.

Today I will write 10 rules that I think humans should follow. I will write stories about them. Then I will bury it in the ground for archealogist to find 1000 years later. The book will say "holy molly" the true words of god. Watch how fast people will create a group of believers and influence the world to follow it.

First and foremost believe in yourself and your own consequences. Do not go and pray god shed me light and strength to do the right thing, but tell your conscience that you have established through knowledge, experience, and studies and say "today I will do the right thing".

There isn't a god snapping his fingers saying...yes today I will give him the ability to make 50 points in a basketball game just because he thought of me today and so it will be done!!

How about practicing your butt off to become really good in basketball and establish a higher esteem of believing in yourself that you will do so well in a game. Don't look up and make that cross sign and say thank you god for letting me play so well. Thank yourself for the hard work you have accomplished in making it happen instead. Afterall you earned it!

When people can start thinking in this manner we can't stop blaming others for wrong doings when we don't achieve what we like, promote peace for we believe in ourselves, and think more logically on current issues because we look into it and not look up demanding answers or praying for answers from a invisible god for the answers, then we can maintain a more stabile planet.

The preachers who scream about dooms day, and Jesus coming back, and going to heaven if you do these things are preventing people to really enjoy their lives because they live in fear and superstitions as soon as others don't agree with them. They then use the excuse ...well they had a chance to go to heaven, or they didn't understand....poor soul....or any of these ridiculous notions they believe is true. This difference of thought from one person to another leads to misunderstandings and differences leading to the opposite of what we all want. Peace and Happiness.

Think about it for a moment and ask yourself what you need to do to make it more logical for not just a select movement but for everyone.

One thing I will say for sure:

There is a BIG Difference


between

Faith

versus

Foolishness.


Lots of foolishness going on in the world today,

sadly being called Faith.

God allowed Jesus to be crucified not to die for the sins of others but to die because of the sins he committed by trying to play God

since God is omnipresence which means that he exist everywhere is why no one needs Jesus to get to him if they wanted to ....this is why Jesus uttered the words "God why hath thou forsaken me" ...and you notice God didn't answer back ....which only proves that Jesus couldn't even deliver himself to God let alone anyone else

this is one example of why the bible is logical but how the believers act illogical by trying to play God or trying to re-write the bible..that God is supposedly "Omnipresence" is one of the failsafes that the bible put in place to make sure that no one can claim to be God or claim to be the only way to God or to speak for God

"mylifetoday"...allow me to explain why you are required to love everyone including your enemies ....it's because God created everyone...they are all part of his Divine Plan

this is why for you to go around ranting about how there should be no Muslims is actually you critizing what your God hath created ....shame shame shame..sin sin sin

those that believe in God should have no complaints with anything that is taking place in the world because it's all part of God's Divine Plan

Christians because they are commanded to Love their enemies have become apathetic as to the concept of what actually Love is.....is Love suppose to make people feel bad or be use to critize what God have done...or is Love suppose to make others feel Good and uplifted.....

Jesus uttered the words "God why hath thou forsaken me" ,

because that was when Jesus was carrying all the sins of the

whole wide world

upon himself on that cross...by becoming sin for us.

God could not look upon sin.

Sin separates us from God......but since Jesus bore our sins,

we no longer have to bear them, and be separated from God...cause

Jesus already bore it all on the cross.

back in those biblical days an unbeliever most likely would felt that they were like those in the Movie "Invasion of The Body Snatchers" ....if an unbeliever even gave a hint that they were not a believer they would have been pointed out and probably killed

it's somewhat the same today...an unbeliever would think they were on a planet of lunatics which worship invisible things that they can't even prove exist beyond a book and kill each other because they believed the invisible creatures commanded them to do so...or "inspired" them

it's as if the majority of the inhabitants on Earth is suffering from some form of Dementia and it's up to the unbelievers to find a cure ....is it something in the water or in the air

the fact that God is Omnipotent means that God has umlimited power to do anything which means that he can look upon sin....

also God is omnipresence which means he is presence everywhere and therefore everywhere where sin exist .....

as for Jesus carrying all the sins of the world on the cross....nothing changed when he died...Man did not return to the garden of eden

This.

My faith is so much more than any of that you are mentioning. Let me clear up a few blaring inadequacies in your conclusion as it applies to my faith.

I do not find it hard to believe that people who do not have faith in a higher power can be happy anymore than I believe those who do cant be miserable. Those emotions stem from something that goes deeper than any one aspect like faith, money, or education. Those emotions stem from inside and the perspective we choose to take on life.

I find it ironic that , so often, I read how I should be self accountable instead of 'blaming others' and at the same time I have my faith 'blamed' for so many ills of the human condition.

I am sure some people of 'faith' do not understand how anyone can be happy without it, just like some people without it cant understand how anyone can possibly be of 'faith' without being 'lazy, illogical' or lacking 'common sense'.

This is not true of my faith however.

I do not believe someday everyone will 'see' faith. I think someday everyones body will die and everyone will see what DEATH incurs, once they die.

There are many things, I believe, that I dont have a need to understand. I am not one who believes man must know EVERY detail of life , existence, and living and I dont pursue such ABSOLUTE knowledge myself. Its not because I am lazy, but because there are so many other things more readily 'available' for me to be using that time to learn and more relevant and useful to my 'life' as I am living it. Its like when I was a child, there was a certain 'because I told you' that went on with my parents. It wasnt because they wish me to be ignorant, but because they WISHED me to have a trust in their word and their reasoning and their desire for my well being so that I would not be QUESTIONING every direction they gave when an emergency arose in which they just needed my quick response. I later understood their reasons, which Im sure they knew I would and Im sure there are many things my FAITH leads me to leave unquestioned for now that will become apparent to me at some later time BECAUSE I AM OPEN AND INTERESTED IN KNOWING.

We generally only learn when we are open and interested in learning. If I dont care about or WANT to know chemistry, and dont consider it logical or important, chances are I will never KNOW chemistry. The same is true, in my opinion, of faith, God, or any other type of knowlege available to us.

I do believe there is common sense in what you say about believing in ourself and our conscious, I happen to also believe that I am a creation of God and my conscious is my direct line to him. They are not mutually exclusive values. I dont believe God 'snaps' his fingers because we merely 'think about him'. Faith without works is dead. I dont believe we can make things happen without putting our own work in (God bless the child who has his own/makes his own). Again, similar to my earthly parents, I believe in a God who helps those who help themself, not just those who pay lipservice to him.

Differences of thought and understanding stem as much or more from differences in PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as they do faith or religion. We can be of faith and not of faith and have no harder time achieving 'peace' with each other than if we were all 'not of faith'.

I find it odd that people believe man would be inherently different if not for the choice some make to believe in 'faith' or God'. Preachers who preach doomsday only prevent others from living as much as Governments who make laws do. They both say, 'if this is done, this will be the consequence'. There are many things peope might WISH to do that laws prevent. This is not some big hindrance on an ability to live a happy or fruitful life.

So yes, logic, effort, and common sense can exist alongside of faith. And yes, faithful and unfaithful alike could stand to work on loving each other. But no, I find no reason to believe that FaITH is at the core of what keeps people from living or living in peace.

Not quite technically possible. Sin in itself is going against God's will, it is you turning and walking away from God. Sin isn't a physical thing, it's not something tangible, it is in the simplest explanation, disobedience to God.




A lot changed when Jesus was crucified. Jesus made a path for you to get to heaven. No we didn't return to the garden of Eden, why would we? We were kicked out of the garden. Jesus gave you a way to the paradise set up for us, that sounds like an awful lot changed.

No we didn't return to the garden of Eden, why would we? We were kicked out of the garden.




Speak for yourself....'we' weren't kicked out of anywhere

No we didn't return to the garden of Eden, why would we? We were kicked out of the garden.




Speak for yourself....'we' weren't kicked out of anywhere



Are you not included in the human race?