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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, why? I will reserve this conversation for my four year old,,,lol jeez MsHarmony stop acting like a four year old and tell me "why"?  nice try
now I know how Adam and Eve felt .... MsHarmony...why not just tell me why? ...do I also have to take of the fruit and cause the fall of Man part 2 |
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what one church believes is quite a different thing from what a 'religion' believes
Then what church embodies the "religion" if what one church believes is "quite a different thing" from what a "relgion" believes. News flash: "religions" are institutions, they are not entities that "believe" things. They are made up of individuals who believe things. The individuals make up the church. So what does 'religion' believe? (Morningsong claims she knows) But what church holds the correct and righteous doctrine of Christianity? its like comparing household rules, yes different houses expect you to abide by 'their rules' whether a 'house ' of the lord or whether a 'house' on my block that doesnt mean there is a collective conscious on my block of what I must believe,,,, "God's Law" is supposed to be uniform, not different in every house. What is called a 'sin' in one church is not a 'sin' in another. So where is this perfect church that embodies the perfect law of God and Christianity? Every Church thinks they are the one. there is no perfect church made of imperfect humans, it does not exist the church is made of humans and humans think they have the answer that makes sense in THEIR life these humans organize into groups with similar beliefs(not identical , but similar) and they are given a 'religious' title but just like political parties, there is as much diverse belief inside those 'religions' as there is amongst them, because HUMANS are so incredibly diverse |
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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love The statements I make regarding the Muslim religion are statements of fact. They have nothing to do with how I feel. What does it say about you when your interpretation of the facts I present is that I must hate them? If you really stopped to think about it, that means if you would have to accept the facts as true, then you are saying that you would hate them. You are not arguing the facts, you are arguing that I don't have a right to make factual statements that would lead someone to be afraid. That is all that you are doing when you continually say that I hate them. The only way I can change that perception of yours is to deny the facts of Muhammad's life. I find it truly bizarre. The same people that tear down Christians as a hateful group will defend Muslims as peace loving despite the blatant evidence to the contrary in the Middle East. There are always excuses given to them saying either the Jews or the Christians have provoked them. They had no choice. again "mylifetoday'..it's about Christian Love....you are required by your religion to love muslims.... but I must say that after reading your posts it just don't seem like you do ...so I have to ask the question .....yes or no...do you Love all muslims? Yes I do. Each person who is Muslim is worthy of being loved. That doesnt change the facts of Muhammad's life. What each Muslim does with their faith is their own choice, just as with Christians. The only difference being - Muhammad's teachings were pretty much the opposite of Jesus when it came to taking up arms. claiming to love someone and then critizing them afterwards is that an example of Christian Love or an example of abuse Oh God Lord help me. You asked whether or not I love Muslims. Now you are criticizing that answer. There is nothing I can say that you will just accept. You keep asking question after question and rarely if ever answer any. I'm tired of this. I said my piece. It is clear what I said and what it means. You love to ask loaded questions or even state it so there is no good answer. Just answering your question is tasertly agreeing that I don't really love Muslims but only claim to. There is no such thing as Christian abuse. So answering the question as also acknowledging that statement to be valid. There are those that abuse claiming it to be Chistian motivated. But to be a Christian means you love everyone. No abuse is possible. I will not reply anymore unless you start making false accusations on my beliefs again. *heavy sigh* There is a very good likelihood you will discard everything I have said here and start using my statements of fact as proof of Christian hatred again ... I guess as a Christian I cannot talk about any injustice because that means I don't love someone in that situation. Nice box you put us in. We must accept all abuse and can never speak out against it. If we don't we are hypocritical in your book. |
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what one church believes is quite a different thing from what a 'religion' believes
Then what church embodies the "religion" if what one church believes is "quite a different thing" from what a "relgion" believes. News flash: "religions" are institutions, they are not entities that "believe" things. They are made up of individuals who believe things. The individuals make up the church. So what does 'religion' believe? (Morningsong claims she knows) But what church holds the correct and righteous doctrine of Christianity? its like comparing household rules, yes different houses expect you to abide by 'their rules' whether a 'house ' of the lord or whether a 'house' on my block that doesnt mean there is a collective conscious on my block of what I must believe,,,, "God's Law" is supposed to be uniform, not different in every house. What is called a 'sin' in one church is not a 'sin' in another. So where is this perfect church that embodies the perfect law of God and Christianity? Every Church thinks they are the one. there is no perfect church made of imperfect humans, it does not exist I know that. But you said that "what one church believes is quite a different thing from what a 'religion' believes." How can "a religion" believe ANYTHING? Every church thinks THEY HAVE IT RIGHT. My point is there are NONE who are "right." As you say, they are all 'imperfect.' So is the religion. the church is made of humans and humans think they have the answer that makes sense in THEIR life
these humans organize into groups with similar beliefs(not identical , but similar) and they are given a 'religious' title but just like political parties, there is as much diverse belief inside those 'religions' as there is amongst them, because HUMANS are so incredibly diverse Exactly. And I know this. For a non-Christian, I see these diverse beliefs and I can't place any confidence in any of them. I get tired of hearing one or two "Christians" tell another "Christian" that they are not a real "Christian" because they don't believe according to what they think a "Christian" should believe. What makes them so sure they know any better than anyone else? |
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lol, that was my original point too,, how can a religion 'believe' anything or 'force' anyone to do something
those are action verbs and religion isnt an entity capable of action,,, |
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lol, that was my original point too,, how can a religion 'believe' anything or 'force' anyone to do something those are action verbs and religion isnt an entity capable of action,,, 
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love Loving the people and loving the religion are two VERY different things. My factual statements regarding Muhammad's life are related to the religion only. I do not love the Muslim religion. That does not conflict in any way with my love for the people in that religion or Jesus telling us to love our enemies as well as our brothers. There has been only a handful of times I have referred to the people in the religion and none of those times did I make any statements saying they are all to be feared or hated. Mostly, I feel sorry for them, especially the women that have to live there. All I have really done is acknowledge what a lot of Muslim groups have said for a long time now. That they are our enemy. Remember when they declared war on the US back in the 80s??? They never called an end to that war... |
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Well people have been at war with each other for centuries. That's nothing new. I feel sorry for the women caught up in that oppressed religion. I'm glad that Christianity has become a little more civilized but they still have a long way to go too.
Any religion that demands they are right and everyone else is wrong is on my s h i t list. |
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You asked whether or not I love Muslims. Now you are criticizing that answer. "mylifetoday" ..all I asked was do you love muslims...all you did was say Yes then proceed to critize them with nothing but negativity saying nothing positive in your rant ..... is that how you treat everyone you claim to love or just the ones you actually hate ....so let's test that theory since you claim to also love Jesus....then (type) some criticisms about him ... |
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You asked whether or not I love Muslims. Now you are criticizing that answer. "mylifetoday" ..all I asked was do you love muslims...all you did was say Yes then proceed to critize them with nothing but negativity saying nothing positive in your rant ..... is that how you treat everyone you claim to love or just the ones you actually hate ....so let's test that theory since you claim to also love Jesus....then (type) some criticisms about him ... You want me to compare apples to oranges again and claim their equal. A blanket statement about millions of people can in no way be compared to knowing one particular individual. Find a Muslim that has done something that I would know about and I will say something positive. The friends that I did have that were Muslim were very kind and willing to talk about anything. They were fun to be around and would joke about anything - except their faith. They didn't talk about it and would change the subject. I cannot make that statement about All the people in a stadium let alone a whole state and you want me to make that as a blanket statement about an entire people. I can criticize America if you like. That would be a better comparison... |
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That does not conflict in any way with my love for the people in that religion or Jesus telling us to love our enemies as well as our brothers. is this why Jesus will have no problem killing people that he claim to love that are not of his faith in the battle at Armedgeddon .... it make it seems that Christianity is programming it's followers to be apathetic ...you kill because you love ... |
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That does not conflict in any way with my love for the people in that religion or Jesus telling us to love our enemies as well as our brothers. is this why Jesus will have no problem killing people that he claim to love that are not of his faith in the battle at Armedgeddon .... it make it seems that Christianity is programming it's followers to be apathetic ...you kill because you love ... Still doing it... Taking things out of context and making claims that were clearly not intended in anyway. |
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You asked whether or not I love Muslims. Now you are criticizing that answer. "mylifetoday" ..all I asked was do you love muslims...all you did was say Yes then proceed to critize them with nothing but negativity saying nothing positive in your rant ..... is that how you treat everyone you claim to love or just the ones you actually hate ....so let's test that theory since you claim to also love Jesus....then (type) some criticisms about him ... You want me to compare apples to oranges again and claim their equal. A blanket statement about millions of people can in no way be compared to knowing one particular individual. Find a Muslim that has done something that I would know about and I will say something positive. The friends that I did have that were Muslim were very kind and willing to talk about anything. They were fun to be around and would joke about anything - except their faith. They didn't talk about it and would change the subject. I cannot make that statement about All the people in a stadium let alone a whole state and you want me to make that as a blanket statement about an entire people. I can criticize America if you like. That would be a better comparison... Dude all I asked was for you to critize Jesus .....I know your religion forbid you to do this because it would be a sign that you didn't Love him... but of course you had no problem critizing the muslims that you also claim to love....because to abuse others not of your faith as you bellow your love for them is an example of Christian Love it's the same methods Christians use to deliver threats... |
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Funches are you annoying people again?
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That does not conflict in any way with my love for the people in that religion or Jesus telling us to love our enemies as well as our brothers. is this why Jesus will have no problem killing people that he claim to love that are not of his faith in the battle at Armedgeddon .... it make it seems that Christianity is programming it's followers to be apathetic ...you kill because you love ... Still doing it... Taking things out of context and making claims that were clearly not intended in anyway. taking what out of content....did Jesus not teach to turn the other cheek...did Jesus not teach to love your enemies ... at the battle of armegeddon...will Jesus killing people not of his faith be regarded as turning the other cheek and loving thy enemies as if they were his brothers ...or is it hate |
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Funches are you annoying people again?
AFFIRMATIVE |
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You asked whether or not I love Muslims. Now you are criticizing that answer. "mylifetoday" ..all I asked was do you love muslims...all you did was say Yes then proceed to critize them with nothing but negativity saying nothing positive in your rant ..... is that how you treat everyone you claim to love or just the ones you actually hate ....so let's test that theory since you claim to also love Jesus....then (type) some criticisms about him ... You want me to compare apples to oranges again and claim their equal. A blanket statement about millions of people can in no way be compared to knowing one particular individual. Find a Muslim that has done something that I would know about and I will say something positive. The friends that I did have that were Muslim were very kind and willing to talk about anything. They were fun to be around and would joke about anything - except their faith. They didn't talk about it and would change the subject. I cannot make that statement about All the people in a stadium let alone a whole state and you want me to make that as a blanket statement about an entire people. I can criticize America if you like. That would be a better comparison... Dude all I asked was for you to critize Jesus .....I know your religion forbid you to do this because it would be a sign that you didn't Love him... but of course you had no problem critizing the muslims that you also claim to love....because to abuse others not of your faith as you bellow your love for them is an example of Christian Love it's the same methods Christians use to deliver threats... Ok fine Criticize Jesus. Let me think for a minute... ummm. Ok, got it. He didn't name everyone specifically and Identify what they needed to do to be saved in the Bible. It would be nice to see my name so I know without a doubt I am doing the right thing. Can't really think of anything else that is worth criticizing... So, because Jesus lead a really good life that has little room for criticism, I am not supposed to talk about anything anyone ever does except if it is good??? Got it. So, because I am Christian, I am barred from pointing out what Muhammad did in his life because it wasn't nice. I still don't see how you can say I am being contrary to my faith by saying I don't love the Muslim religion. don't see how you can say I am not being true to my faith by not praising Muslims in general. I don't praise any baseball teams either. Does that mean I am violating my faith because of that??? You really pull some weird stuff together to form a conclusion. Really twisted logic. I can see how you get there. But you cherry pick the pieces you want and ignore the point that is being made. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 05/28/11 04:31 PM
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Jeannie...ALL christian denominations BELIEVE AND
AGREE, ON THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF CHRISTIANITY. The DIFFERENCES between denominations are based on some OTHER minor doctrinal differences.... NOT on the basic fundamental truths. ONCE AGAIN..... these differences do NOT include the basic fundametnal truths. Just because different churches and denominations have some other doctrinal differences, doesn't mean they are any less christian based. Actually a christian is simply one who is born again....period. Now if a born again christian has some MINOR doctrinal issues that may differ from another born again christian, for example, that is fine. That does not make either born again christian any less christian than the other( DESPITE THE MINOR DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO ,BOTH STILL DO BELIEVE AND AGREE ON THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF CHRISTIANITY). As they both grow in the Faith, the minor doctrinal issues will usually fall away anyway. But again...a christian is someone who is born again. Not someone who just belongs to a church....or someone who just JOINS a church. (Just because someone sits in a garage, doesn't make that person a car). Now... when a person becomes born again, sometimes that person may not yet fully understansd about the deity of christ yet. A babe in Christ might not always understand even the very basics yet; but since that babe's spiritual eyes HAVE been opened, that baby WILL eventually learn and grow and WILL eventually understand more and more.... as he/she goes from the milk of God's Word to the meat of God's Word. In Cowboy's situation, I have prayed about it more.... and Now believe Cowboy just did not understand yet, about the deity of Christ. But he is learning now...and wants to learn..and HAS accepted Jesus into his heart....even if he doesn't fully understand about Jesus yet. Meaning... he is a born again child of God, afterall....even if he he doesn't have it all figured out yet. A babe is hungry. Cowboy is hungry. But lets say for instance... that Cowboy STILL keeps insisting over a period of time , that "Jesus is a god like you and me are all gods"..... even after he was shown the Truth of what God's Word says .... and has had time to grow up somewhat in the Word... THEN I would have to say , he is not born again yet(which again is what a christian is...someome who has been born again)...cause his spiritual eyes have not yet been opened.....which is what happens when one is born again. Hope this helps make things a bit clearer about what Christianity is really all about.... 
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