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mylifetoday wrote:
You know, there are quite a few people that have faith without hating anyone. Granted, they aren't main stream. But Jesus does tell us to love everyone, especially our enemies. 
I believe that. I also believe that Jesus himself did indeed preach love and did not support religious bigotry, etc. Many Christians have been taught that Jesus was the "Only begotten son" of God. Thus giving his words credence far above that of any mortal man. This fulfills their desire to believe that they have heard something that did indeed come straight from the creator. So that is the basis of why they believe in this particular religion over all others. They buy into the idea that the ancient Hebrews hold the copyright on God, and that the authors of the New Testament now even hold a copyright on God that trumps the ancient Hebrews. But that kind of thinking truly isn't necessary. If you can believe that God could speak to Moses, then you can just as easily believe that God could speak to Confucius, or Lao Tzu, or Krishna, etc. If you believe that God could send Jesus to speak to the Jews, then you can just as easily believe that God could send Siddhartha Gautma to speak to the Indians, or even the Dalai Lama to speak to us. It's all "Faith based". But the Abrahamic religions result in extreme religious bigotry. Bigotry against one another no less. Even the Christian sect has broken into a myriad of factions and denominations that are in heated opposition to each others views. So if you step back and take a look at the big picture you can see the hostility and religious bigotry that Christianity ultimately creates. That is clearly no "good works" and thus by Jesus' own proclamation cannot be emanating from God. So, yes, there are a lot of innocent "believers" who simply want to believe in a righteous God. They don't bother with the details themselves, and in fact, the vast majority of them do not even agree with the kind of religious extremism that is preached by people like Cowboy and others. Most of them totally renounce that kind of crap. They have FAITH alright. But what they truly place their FAITH in is the idea of a genuinely righteous God not a God who would go around condemning people on trivial petty technicalities such as whether or not they support religious bigotry in the name of Jesus as the Christ Almighty. In fact, most descent Christians would be appalled at that very notion. People who support religious bigotry and preach it do not support the idea of a truly righteous and loving God. Instead they are just wallowing in the egotistical pleasure they get out of using religion to incite religiously bigoted riots. They use the religion to support their own form of hatred. And the decent Christians shouldn't even be supporting them. Either financially or morally. There are a couple points I would debate you on. but in general very well said. Like Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Some Christians forget how He lived in their desire to tell others how they should live. Their heart is in the right place, but their words don't come across to non-believers the way they think they do. If Christians were a lot more like Christ, you wouldn't see the attitude you are complaining about. But, it is VERY hard to be Christ like. I would never claim to be righteous. I try but always fall short and always will... |
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s1owhand
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian
to go to Heaven as I understand it. So clearly this is not Christ's belief. Jesus Christ did not Teach Hell. http://www.godsplanforall.com/jesusdidnotteachhell But certainly the preacher is not being true to Christ in saying that a belief is Christ as God and Savior is necessary for Heaven or to avoid Hell. I think that is why he does not want to talk about the unborn. The preacher looks to be preaching falsehoods. So the preacher might be in Danger! 
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mylifetoday wrote:
There are a couple points I would debate you on. but in general very well said. Like Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Some Christians forget how He lived in their desire to tell others how they should live. Their heart is in the right place, but their words don't come across to non-believers the way they think they do. If Christians were a lot more like Christ, you wouldn't see the attitude you are complaining about. But, it is VERY hard to be Christ like. I would never claim to be righteous. I try but always fall short and always will... I agree. But unfortunately we do see the attitude I complain about.
And we see it in the preacher in the video too. What right does he heave to preach his views of various interpretations of ancient scriptures with such conviction? The truth is that he has no clue what he's talking about. These scriptures are flexible enough that they can be used to support just about whatever view a person wants to take. And that's what everyone should recognize. In fact, that was the whole basis behind Protestant reformation. Now Protestant preachers are once again trying to become Popes. 
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. |
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1 In the beginning WAS THE WORD ,
and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD . JESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH. GOD THE FATHER...GOD THE SON ((WORD BECAME FLESH)... GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT .... THREE DISTINCT PERSONS...YET ONE GOD!!!! (notice the first thing mentioned in the book of John: "In the beginning was the WORD ".) Here's an example that will help to better understand.... man is a triune being : man has a physical form soul spirit 3 parts yet ONE man. Cowboy....God did NOT create the son or the holy spirit.
God IS the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit. Again.... God is God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit . 3 distinct persons of the trinity....yet STILL...ONLY... ONE... GOD . just as man has 3 distinct parts to his triune being..yet he is still ONE man. 
ps...also...man is NOT born with sin ...but man is born with a sin nature. |
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Cowboy....God did NOT create the son or the holy spirit.
ps...also...man is NOT born with sin ...but man is born with a sin nature. Straighten that preacher boy out MorningSong. 
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mylifetoday wrote:
There are a couple points I would debate you on. but in general very well said. Like Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Some Christians forget how He lived in their desire to tell others how they should live. Their heart is in the right place, but their words don't come across to non-believers the way they think they do. If Christians were a lot more like Christ, you wouldn't see the attitude you are complaining about. But, it is VERY hard to be Christ like. I would never claim to be righteous. I try but always fall short and always will... I agree. But unfortunately we do see the attitude I complain about.
And we see it in the preacher in the video too. What right does he heave to preach his views of various interpretations of ancient scriptures with such conviction? The truth is that he has no clue what he's talking about. These scriptures are flexible enough that they can be used to support just about whatever view a person wants to take. And that's what everyone should recognize. In fact, that was the whole basis behind Protestant reformation. Now Protestant preachers are once again trying to become Popes.
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Wow, and 3 days ago you were preaching hellfire and damnation to those who didn't believe... Does this mean you stopped supporting the lie? What are you views of hell now? |
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1 In the beginning WAS THE WORD , and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD . JESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH. GOD THE FATHER...GOD THE SON ((WORD BECAME FLESH)... GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT .... THREE DISTINCT PERSONS...YET ONE GOD!!!! (notice the first thing mentioned in the book of John: "In the beginning was the WORD ".) Here's an example that will help to better understand.... man is a triune being : man has a physical form soul spirit 3 parts yet ONE man. Cowboy....God did NOT create the son or the holy spirit.
God IS the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit. Again.... God is God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit . 3 distinct persons of the trinity....yet STILL...ONLY... ONE... GOD . just as man has 3 distinct parts to his triune being..yet he is still ONE man.
ps...also...man is NOT born with sin ...but man is born with a sin nature. John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. --------------- John 1:14 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth ---------------------------- Notice in the first verse it states specifically "The Word was with God". This would indicate two separate entities. Two separate entities would indicate they are not the same entity. Mark 1:11 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ------------------------------ If God and Jesus are the same entity, then how did Jesus say this from heaven when he was on the cross? ================================== Jesus and our father are one, they have the same goals, the same love, the same mind set. But nevertheless they are two separate beings. This shows especially in the verse of Mark. |
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Wow, and 3 days ago you were preaching hellfire and damnation to those who didn't believe... Does this mean you stopped supporting the lie? What are you views of hell now? No, it just means that you misunderstood something I said 3 days ago.
In fact, I'm quite certain that you have never understood my message, because my message is quite simply this: "The biblical scriptures are so totally filled with contradictions that you can make them say whatever you like." When you see me showing how the Bible is a two-faced doctrine, it's not me that's changing, it's just a reflection of the two-faced doctrine that is being discussed. The only "lie" that exists is the lie that these scriptures actually have any merit at all or can be said to be coherent or consistent in anything they say. And I have never supported that "lie". Have you? 
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Judgment will be to determine if we have earned the gift of heaven or not. If one doesn't believe, there is no need for a judgment, for their reward is already told to us. No need to look through their life and investigate if they have earned heaven or not. So no there will be no judgment for those that believe not. Their reward is posted below. Matthew 10:33 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. |
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Abracadabra
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John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, [color]and the Word was God. --------------- John 1:14 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth ---------------------------- Notice in the first verse it states specifically "The Word was with God". This would indicate two separate entities. Two separate entities would indicate they are not the same entity. Notice the first verse it clearly states "and the Word was God" and the Word was God Sorry Cowboy you lose. MorningSong wins. ~~~~~~ Mark 1:11 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ------------------------------ If God and Jesus are the same entity, then how did Jesus say this from heaven when he was on the cross? ================================== Jesus wasn't on the cross when these was supposed said. He was being Baptized by John the Baptist. You should try reading the story sometime.
Jesus and our father are one, they have the same goals, the same love, the same mind set. But nevertheless they are two separate beings. This shows especially in the verse of Mark. So says you. 
These scriptures are so contradicting and convoluted the best clergy and theologians in the world can't even agree on what they say. But look here! Mr. Cowboy has it all sorted out. Any question about the Bible? Just ask Cowboy. He talks with Jesus every day and has the inside scoop on this stuff. |
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John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, [color]and the Word was God. --------------- John 1:14 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth ---------------------------- Notice in the first verse it states specifically "The Word was with God". This would indicate two separate entities. Two separate entities would indicate they are not the same entity. Notice the first verse it clearly states "and the Word was God" and the Word was God Sorry Cowboy you lose. MorningSong wins. ~~~~~~ Mark 1:11 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ------------------------------ If God and Jesus are the same entity, then how did Jesus say this from heaven when he was on the cross? ================================== Jesus wasn't on the cross when these was supposed said. He was being Baptized by John the Baptist. You should try reading the story sometime.
Jesus and our father are one, they have the same goals, the same love, the same mind set. But nevertheless they are two separate beings. This shows especially in the verse of Mark. So says you.
These scriptures are so contradicting and convoluted the best clergy and theologians in the world can't even agree on what they say. But look here! Mr. Cowboy has it all sorted out. Any question about the Bible? Just ask Cowboy. He talks with Jesus every day and has the inside scoop on this stuff. Jesus wasn't on the cross when these was supposed said. He was being Baptized by John the Baptist. You should try reading the story sometime. flowerforyou I apologize for stating this happened at a different time period. And here's another incident of a similar thing. Matthew 17:5 5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Notice the first verse it clearly states "and the Word was God" and the Word was God Sorry Cowboy you lose. MorningSong wins. Again, yes the word is God. Your child is you. When you marry someone, your married spouse is one with you, is you. Being one with someone doesn't necessarily mean they are physically one being, they are still two separate entities. |
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Judgment will be to determine if we have earned the gift of heaven or not. If one doesn't believe, there is no need for a judgment, for their reward is already told to us. No need to look through their life and investigate if they have earned heaven or not. So no there will be no judgment for those that believe not. Their reward is posted below. Matthew 10:33 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. All you're succeeding in doing is trying to make Jesus out to be a hypocrite. All for the sake of trying to use Jesus to condemn people who refuse to cower down to your views. That's truly disgusting Cowboy. First off, Jesus said that any many who hears his words and does not believe, he will not judge. To not believe what Jesus said has nothing at all to do with denying him before men. So your reference to Matthew 10:33 doesn't even apply at all. It amazes me how far you will stretch to try to created hatred in the name of Jesus against non-believers. You're hatred of non-believers reeks beyond belief Cowboy. I'm quite sure that I have never met a more hateful proselytizer in my entire life. I've never seen the level of hatred that you preach. It just amazes me how much hatred people can preach in the name of Jesus. It's just unbelievable. You won't be happen until you can condemn everyone in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty Condemner. |
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Judgment will be to determine if we have earned the gift of heaven or not. If one doesn't believe, there is no need for a judgment, for their reward is already told to us. No need to look through their life and investigate if they have earned heaven or not. So no there will be no judgment for those that believe not. Their reward is posted below. Matthew 10:33 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. All you're succeeding in doing is trying to make Jesus out to be a hypocrite. All for the sake of trying to use Jesus to condemn people who refuse to cower down to your views. That's truly disgusting Cowboy. First off, Jesus said that any many who hears his words and does not believe, he will not judge. To not believe what Jesus said has nothing at all to do with denying him before men. So your reference to Matthew 10:33 doesn't even apply at all. It amazes me how far you will stretch to try to created hatred in the name of Jesus against non-believers. You're hatred of non-believers reeks beyond belief Cowboy. I'm quite sure that I have never met a more hateful proselytizer in my entire life. I've never seen the level of hatred that you preach. It just amazes me how much hatred people can preach in the name of Jesus. It's just unbelievable. You won't be happen until you can condemn everyone in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty Condemner. First off, Jesus said that any many who hears his words and does not believe, he will not judge. To not believe what Jesus said has nothing at all to do with denying him before men. Jesus' words Matthew 10:33 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. All you're succeeding in doing is trying to make Jesus out to be a hypocrite. All for the sake of trying to use Jesus to condemn people who refuse to cower down to your views. That's truly disgusting Cowboy. All you're succeeding in doing is trying to twist things around to make it appear as such. All for the sake of trying to keep someone from Jesus. I condemn no one, especially for just not believing in what I say and or believe. Again, this is a DISCUSSION my friend. No one's condemning the other, just pure enlightened discussion. You're the one whom is condemning yourself if you wish to condemn someone. Cause I said not once of your eternal state. I said not once if you will share in the glory of heaven or not. I have said not once about anything along those lines. |
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Abracadabra
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Cowboy wrote:
All you're succeeding in doing is trying to twist things around to make it appear as such. All for the sake of trying to keep someone from Jesus. I condemn no one, especially for just not believing in what I say and or believe. Again, this is a DISCUSSION my friend. No one's condemning the other, just pure enlightened discussion. You're the one whom is condemning yourself if you wish to condemn someone. Cause I said not once of your eternal state. I said not once if you will share in the glory of heaven or not. I have said not once about anything along those lines. I couldn't care less about your personal views Cowboy. You're condemning EVERYONE who doesn't believe in Jesus in Jesus' name. That's what YOU are doing in general. Personally I think it's pathetic. And for what purpose? Because you can't convince them to believe in your religion outside of using THREATS of damnation if they refuse to believe. That's the only reason to even bother dwelling on this kind of crap. If you had a religion what was worthy of respect in the first place you wouldn't need to resort to condemning people who don't believe in it in Jesus' name. It's just the epitome of a pathetic religious scam is all. You have CHOICES too my friend. You can CHOOSE to preach your religion using LOVE and COMPASSION, or you can CHOOSE to try to make your God out to be a BULLY who will condemn everyone who refuses to believe. You MAKE your dastardly choice by the verses you try to use to support your condemnations. But the verses you use are even pathetic. To not believe in Jesus is in NO WAY denying him before men. Yet that's the verse that you post to try to support your dastardly views. That's just truly sad is all I can say. |
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Cowboy wrote:
All you're succeeding in doing is trying to twist things around to make it appear as such. All for the sake of trying to keep someone from Jesus. I condemn no one, especially for just not believing in what I say and or believe. Again, this is a DISCUSSION my friend. No one's condemning the other, just pure enlightened discussion. You're the one whom is condemning yourself if you wish to condemn someone. Cause I said not once of your eternal state. I said not once if you will share in the glory of heaven or not. I have said not once about anything along those lines. I couldn't care less about your personal views Cowboy. You're condemning EVERYONE who doesn't believe in Jesus in Jesus' name. That's what YOU are doing in general. Personally I think it's pathetic. And for what purpose? Because you can't convince them to believe in your religion outside of using THREATS of damnation if they refuse to believe. That's the only reason to even bother dwelling on this kind of crap. If you had a religion what was worthy of respect in the first place you wouldn't need to resort to condemning people who don't believe in it in Jesus' name. It's just the epitome of a pathetic religious scam is all. You have CHOICES too my friend. You can CHOOSE to preach your religion using LOVE and COMPASSION, or you can CHOOSE to try to make your God out to be a BULLY who will condemn everyone who refuses to believe. You MAKE your dastardly choice by the verses you try to use to support your condemnations. But the verses you use are even pathetic. To not believe in Jesus is in NO WAY denying him before men. Yet that's the verse that you post to try to support your dastardly views. That's just truly sad is all I can say. I couldn't care less about your personal views Cowboy. You're condemning EVERYONE who doesn't believe in Jesus in Jesus' name. That's what YOU are doing in general. Personally I think it's pathetic. And for what purpose? LoL, you're funny Abra. Again we are merely having a discussion of different religious beliefs. Just as other people's beliefs are that I will not reach heave in their belief, and or any other eternity. You MAKE your dastardly choice by the verses you try to use to support your condemnations. But the verses you use are even pathetic. To not believe in Jesus is in NO WAY denying him before men. Yet that's the verse that you post to try to support your dastardly views. That's just truly sad is all I can say Saying Jesus isn't the way to heaven to a person, isn't denying Jesus before man? Then can you please explain what denying Jesus before means? |
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Cowboy wrote:
LoL, you're funny Abra. Again we are merely having a discussion of different religious beliefs. Just as other people's beliefs are that I will not reach heave in their belief, and or any other eternity. Many people try to have rational discussions. But it's hard to do when you keep demanding who Jesus will condemn. You don't even say that this is your belief. In fact, you often claim that everything you speak of is the "Truth". Is that a normal 'discussion'? 
I think not. No, you're trying to demand who Jesus will condemn. And you're not even stating it as a mere 'belief' on your part. So I don't see where you are "discussing" anything. All you do is preaching at people and trying to demand that everything you say is the "Gospel Truth".
Perhaps you consider that a "discussion"? Personally I see it as extremely disturbing behavior. Cowboy wrote:
Saying Jesus isn't the way to heaven to a person, isn't denying Jesus before man? Then can you please explain what denying Jesus before means? I suppose that would be denying Jesus. But I certainly haven't made any such claim. On the contrary, I allow that Jesus may very well be one of the many paths to God, and I have always held that view consistently. You're trying extremely hard to condemn other people. Perhaps you should meditate on the following words that have also been attributed to Jesus. Luke.6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: |
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Cowboy wrote:
LoL, you're funny Abra. Again we are merely having a discussion of different religious beliefs. Just as other people's beliefs are that I will not reach heave in their belief, and or any other eternity. Many people try to have rational discussions. But it's hard to do when you keep demanding who Jesus will condemn. You don't even say that this is your belief. In fact, you often claim that everything you speak of is the "Truth". Is that a normal 'discussion'?
I think not. No, you're trying to demand who Jesus will condemn. And you're not even stating it as a mere 'belief' on your part. So I don't see where you are "discussing" anything. All you do is preaching at people and trying to demand that everything you say is the "Gospel Truth".
Perhaps you consider that a "discussion"? Personally I see it as extremely disturbing behavior. Cowboy wrote:
Saying Jesus isn't the way to heaven to a person, isn't denying Jesus before man? Then can you please explain what denying Jesus before means? I suppose that would be denying Jesus. But I certainly haven't made any such claim. On the contrary, I allow that Jesus may very well be one of the many paths to God, and I have always held that view consistently. You're trying extremely hard to condemn other people. Perhaps you should meditate on the following words that have also been attributed to Jesus. Luke.6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Many people try to have rational discussions. But it's hard to do when you keep demanding who Jesus will condemn. You don't even say that this is your belief. In fact, you often claim that everything you speak of is the "Truth". Is that a normal 'discussion'? :huh It is a normal discussion in a 'Religion Chat' forum. One person states their religious beliefs, another 'discusses' on it. In a discussion, people will state their side as fact, for they feel it is. Just as you state your side as it were fact. There is no difference. So why is it seen as so bad when I state my beliefs as fact, but not the same for you or any other whom disagrees with my beliefs? No, you're trying to demand who Jesus will condemn. And you're not even stating it as a mere 'belief' on your part. Again, this is a forum to discuss our different BELIEFS. So no need to specifically state it is my belief, it's automatically in the belief category for this is the forum for such discussion. So I don't see where you are "discussing" anything. All you do is preaching at people and trying to demand that everything you say is the "Gospel Truth".
Likewise my friend. I state what I believe as it was absolutely the truth and you state your belief as it were absolutely the truth. There is no difference. On the contrary, I allow that Jesus may very well be one of the many paths to God, and I have always held that view consistently. Jesus said he is THE path, THE way to God. He didn't say he was 'A' path or 'A' way to God. |
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The problem is that Christ did not say that one had to be Christian to go to Heaven as I understand it. According to the scriptures he didn't even require that anyone believe in him or his words. Preachers who claim otherwise are actually arguing with the scriptures themselves. According to the scriptures Jesus himself said: John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. So there we have it. Jesus himself proclaiming that he will not judge those who do not believe his words. Wow, and 3 days ago you were preaching hellfire and damnation to those who didn't believe... Does this mean you stopped supporting the lie? What are you views of hell now? No, it just means that you misunderstood something I said 3 days ago.
In fact, I'm quite certain that you have never understood my message, because my message is quite simply this: "The biblical scriptures are so totally filled with contradictions that you can make them say whatever you like." When you see me showing how the Bible is a two-faced doctrine, it's not me that's changing, it's just a reflection of the two-faced doctrine that is being discussed. The only "lie" that exists is the lie that these scriptures actually have any merit at all or can be said to be coherent or consistent in anything they say. And I have never supported that "lie". Have you?
How can anyone misunderstand this?!?!? Sun 04/24/11 12:33 PM
Why do you continue to allow the Chrisitans to OWN the "god concept"? They are the ones who lay these nonsensical guilt trips on you. They have a God who simply hates everyone who refuses to climb on board with the religious bigotries. You really need to just reject the whole damned shebang. Get a clue man, you are guilty of all the things you accuse Christians of, yet you deny any responsibility for your own words... |
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