Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called
FULFILLED
Mattthew 1:20-23 [20] But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. [21] She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." [22] All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: [23] "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" --which means, "God with us."

Isaiah 16:5 In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it--one from the house of David--one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness.
FULFILLED
Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, ... [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
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And the list goes on and on. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the messiah that was promised.

sorry Cowboy but Yahweh gave those laws and remember when you posted that Jesus and the holy ghost were creations.....so unless Jesus is Yahweh he didn't give any laws "In the Beginning" because Yahweh gave those Laws

so the question becomes is Jesus Yahweh?

that question generally confuse those that try to pull that Trinity scam

if you answer yes then you would have just claim that Jesus is the Father and not the Word and you were lying about Jesus being a creation and The Word

if you answer no that Jesus is not Yahweh then that mean that Jesus did not give any laws before Moses or Buddha gave them first ....and you get busted again preaching a false gospel also known as lying

so again Cowboy...is Jesus Yahweh?

Cowboy...the post below is what you posted in that sticks and stones thread



see you got busted again you said that the laws were full filled..you said nothing about prophecies

you can read all that post by going to "post 3" at this link
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/300828

also you will get a real big surprise if you read what I posted directly under your post in "post 4" at that same link

Cowboy, by your very own position you claimed that all knowledge can be nothing more than hearsay rumors.

You've made this claim about scientific knowledge itself, claiming that no one can know whether the earth is a globe or not because all information is necessarily unreliable hearsay garbage, according to you.

Yet, here you are attempting to assert that some far removed fables from ancient history have been "fulfilled".

You're approach to life is as irrational as it can possibly be.

By your very own position your claims are clearly worthless.

Before you can convince us that ancient contradicting outrageous fables are true, you would first need to be able to show that something can indeed be known.

You'd have to prove to us beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is indeed a globe, or flat, or whatever you believe it might be.

If you can't even show why we should believe the Earth is round, why should anyone believe anything you have to say about anything else?

We may as well go listen to the people who preach about their Flying Spaghetti Monster.

According to YOU, all knowledge is on equal footing anyway.

So if I go by YOUR STANCE then I would choose to believe the Wiccans. I think their picture is at least more beautiful, and since according to you all guesses have precisely equal merit, then I may as well chose the more beautiful picture of reality.

That makes sense.

So thank you for your support.

If everything we hear is on equivalent grounds, then just choose the most beautiful picture to believe in.

The picture you have is clearly ugly. Surely even you can see that. It's filled with sinners and an angry jealous God who drowns people out including little babies. He even commands people to murder entire cultures including killing their women and children too. He has his own son nailed to a pole and then demands that everyone must accept and condone this act on their behalf before he is willing to forgive them. He threatens to cast everyone who refuses to believe in him into a state of everlasting punishment.

Who would ever want to put their FAITH in such a gruesome sick perverted story as that, if ALL INFORMATION we have available to us is on EQUAL FOOTING as you demand?

The Wiccans have a far prettier and more inviting picture of a Goddess. May as well place our faith in that picture since according to you everything is just hearsay rumors anyway.

Who would want to believe in the pathetic sorry God that you describe on "pure faith". That would be ludicrous!

Especially after you yourself have confessed that it can't be anything more than hearsay rumors anyway.

Yes, notice they are finished, completed, and finalized. They are in the fulfilled category cause that covenant was fulfilled, thus the laws are fulfilled. It's figuratively speaking, they are finished because the PROPHECIES are fulfilled.

Stopped reading your post once I got to this particular statement. No one is trying to convince anyone of anything, AGAIN, after AGAIN, after AGAIN, we are having a DISCUSSION. Just conversing on things. So once you realize this, I will have a conversation with you and DISCUSS religion. Again, it matters not to me that you believe in "Christianity" or not, we having a DISCUSSION.

and then you said that after the prophecies are full filled then Jesus gave new laws.....so again what are those new laws that Jesus gave that Buddha didn't already give

Already answered this question. All the laws Jesus gave are different then Buddha, for Buddha didn't give any "laws".

Buddha gave cause and effect. Do as you would have done to you. Do bad things, bad things happen to you, ect. But as in laws and punishment(s), Buddha gave none.

Why lie Cowboy?

What is the point to that?

It's crystal clear to everyone, and you yourself have confessed on several occasions that you consider yourself to be a servant of God who's duty to God is to spread his word.

You insistently demand that it is absolutely true that Jesus was indeed the son of God, and he is indeed the judge of all mankind and that he is the king and ruler over everything.

You flatly refuse to acknowledge that this is merely your personal faith-based belief. You insist that the bible must be accepted as absolute truth and you continually claim that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of the Old Testament, blah, blah, blah.

And now you're trying to merely claim that you're just having a "discussion".

Hogwash.

You are out to proselytize and evangelize your faith-based beliefs. You have a one-track agenda that "Jesus is Lord" and you won't even remotely consider any other possibility.

You are at WAR with all other spiritual and religious philosophies and concepts. You won't even acknowledge that other spiritual concepts or idea might even remotely have merit.

You even condemn scientific knowledge and claim that it is nothing more than opinionated nonsense in an effort to reduce it to the same level of your faith-based beliefs.

You don't LISTEN to anything anyone else says. That's not "discussing".

You've been told by many people here that there is a huge difference between mere hearsay rumors of ancient superstitious fables that have no independent historical evidence versus the overwhelming independent historical evidence of more recent events.

You have claimed that we have no more reason to believe that Albert Einstein ever lived, than we have to believe that Jesus ever lived. Which is utterly hogwash.

And many people have pointed this out to you.

If you are having a "discussion" you must be "discussing" with yourself because you are merely talking AT everyone else and totally refusing to LISTEN to what they are saying.

The position you hold is untenable.

You try to reduce all of human knowledge to the very same level of non-credibility in an effort to give the religion of your choice equal-footing.

Then you claim utterly absurd things, like the ideas that we have no more reason to believe that Albert Einstein existed than we have for believing in Jesus, or that we have no more reason to believe that the Earth is round than to believe that Jesus fufilled a bunch of ancient prophesies.

You actually spread false information in the hopes of reducing all of human knowledge and history to having the same level of non-credibility as your faith-based religion.

And then you have the audacity to turn right back around and claim that Jesus fulfilled prophesies like as we're supposed to believe that such a think is knowable after you have just told us that we shouldn't even trust the scientific evidence that the world is round?

You don't LISTEN to the points that other people make.

That's not "discussing".

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Moreover, your tactics fail.

Even if we were to accept your claims that all information is equally without merit, then all you have done is convince us that everything is just a guess and that any guess is just as good as any other guess.

At that point, Why should we place our faith in an obscure religion that claims that all of mankind is at odds with our creator, and is in dire need of repentance lest they be cast into a state of everlasting punishment?

From what you've just told us we'd be far better off placing our faith in some other spirituality that is far prettier. Or even accepting the possibility that atheism is true would be better than the religious story that you're attempting to support.


If you can't answer this question without violating your own claims that no information can have any more merit than any other information, then: "What exactly is your point?"


Answer me that.

Just in the spirit of discussion, I'm re-posting my main questions:

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Even if we were to accept your claims that all information is equally without merit, then all you have done is convince us that everything is just a guess and that any guess is just as good as any other guess.

At that point, Why should we place our faith in an obscure religion that claims that all of mankind is at odds with our creator, and is in dire need of repentance lest they be cast into a state of everlasting punishment?

From what you've just told us we'd be far better off placing our faith in some other spirituality that is far prettier. Or even accepting the possibility that atheism is true would be better than the religious story that you're attempting to support.


If you can't answer this question without violating your own claims that no information can have any more merit than any other information, then: "What exactly is your point?"


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You're not making any sense in terms of "discussing" Cowboy.

You've claimed that all information is on precisely equal footing, and then you keep harping at us that "Jesus is LORD" and you state that this is an absolute "Truth".

How can you claim to know what "Truth" is when you've just taken the stance that all information is on precisely equal footing and is all entirely faith-based?

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I'm just asking for clarity here in terms of discussing.

What's the point in "discussing" with someone who refuses to clarify their position or discuss the reasoning behind their outrageous claims?

If you wish to "discuss" with me then you need to LISTEN to my concerns and address them. You can't just keep shoving me off pretending that YOU are having a "discussion", whilst you continually dismiss the concerns of the people that you are supposedly having a "discussing" with.

That makes no sense, but then again not much of anything you have to say appears to make much sense to be quite honest about it.

Cowboy....why are you playing games....there were nothing to answer....remember I asked you (constantly I must add))to give me those New Laws that you claim that Jesus has given ....and then we can check to see if they are ("words laws commands suggestions or whatever") that Buddha has given before Jesus even popped out of the womb ....

so give thos laws and let's see if Christianity is actually Buddhanity

The Idea of Reincarnation stems from the intellectual recognition that there are very fundamental problems associated between the eternal existence of a ‘spiritual being’ and ‘limited existence’ of a physical being.

When the physical being ceases to exist all knowledge of personhood (personality) and experience also cease. That was the reason for Karma – it was a teaching mechanism that took the place of memory.

Furthermore, the development of Buddhism was far more creative when it added the cyclical nature of an eternal existence. It actually makes a lot more sense that eternal spiritual beings would need to progress in cycles, if nothing else, it breaks the boredom of being eternal. But it actually does much more, it eliminates the NEED of a physical nature for any purpose other than learning about the physical world.

Christianity made a fatal error when it adopted the ONE LIFE concept. First, this seem to contradict several places in the bible that elude to the idea that other ancient prophets were also Jesus in the flesh, this is most prominent in scriptures related to the old testament.

Secondly, according to Christian teaching, Jesus did not reincarnate he rose from the dead with his full set of physical attributes, including memory of physical experiences. That is the reason why it is necessary for so many Christians to believe that an eternal existence in heaven, must be a physical one, hence the idea that heaven will be on Earth. This is quite illogical.

Physical beings (unless they are rocks or similar) are subject to certain physical and universal laws. Motivation / locomotion is work that is accomplished with some form of energy.

In animal form (such as humans) the energy is supplied through nutrition that is a fundamental requirement for the inertia of physical matter. Since the energy comes in the form of nutrition, there is a need to eliminate the byproducts/waste material. Not a problem though, we **** in the woods or the sandboxes of the world for almost all of our history, we can do it again – but who really enjoys it? Isn’t heaven suppose to illuminate all the distasteful and mundane parts of daily life? And who wants to bother gathering food and preparing it or eating it - but then what else would there be to do?

Thirdly, with a complete and in tact memory of all our past life’s experiences we will know who of our loved ones are missing – and our grief would be unending – that is not heaven, that is hell.

I could go on and on – as I said One eternal physical existence is a fatal flaw.




Yes, and again, Christian beliefs become entangled in the limitations that exist within the dogma that relates to One eternal physical existence’.

There is only one reference book in Christianity, which was doomed from the beginning. There could be only one because it was so important that believers were united in only one source of dogma that god made it a sin for anyone who changed it.

That leads some people to believe that the god being referred to was the reigning ruler of any land whose people could be influenced to adopt the Christian dogma. (more easily controlled)

That also means the book cannot evolve in conjunction with the many cultures of the world as each of them evolves with updates to agriculture, medicine, technology and so on UNLESS, people change it – even Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) recognized this fault and allowed the heads of his church (the Prophets) to make changes to the religious dogma. The Popes before that were allowed an interchange with god but no longer.

On the other hand, Buddhism has several type of entities including the Buddha’s who are allowed to dictate or write “information” pertaining to how and why spirit, cycles, reincarnation and karma are necessary and functional.

On the whole Buddhism is far more logical, has the flexibility of adapting to human progress and at the root of its nature is the acceptance of what other’s choose to believe – because according to Buddhism, there are many ways of knowing and many ways of progressing and many opportunities to continue to learn.




Yes QUITE A DIFFERENCE. A Christian moral life with a focus on pleasing, praising, and worshipping god and accepting whatever burdens god throws your way.

Which forces some Christians to make justifications, like god helps those who help themselves, or god listens to and answers the prayers of TRUE believers, only to have to justify why god helps some but not others. It goes on and on.

Personally, thinking of a belief system as the elimination of unhappiness at the same time individuals renounce ownerships and egoism in an effort to make room for the highest regard and compassion for fellow humans sounds like a well conceived religion.

After all, we are all humans, HERE, together, NOW, so it seems to make more sense that we regard our fellow humans above that of a god for whose actions there can be no accounting only subjective justifications.

Some may be similar, yes. But that is true for all beliefs all in all.

I. The Universal Moral Law
A. The Law Of Love
"First, love God your Creator more than anything
else. Then, love all other people the same as you
love yourself."

B. The Ten Commandments
1. "Do not put anything ahead of God your Creator."
2. "Do not make or worship idols."
3. "Do not take the name of God in vain."
4. "Take one day of complete rest each week, in honor of God."
5. "Honor your father and your mother."
6. "Do not commit murder."
7. "Do not commit adultery."
8. "Do not steal."
9. "Do not tell lies against anyone."
10. "Do not covet other people's possessions."
C. The Golden Rule
"Treat Others As You Would Like To Be Traeted."
II. The Other Commandments Of Jesus
1. "FORGIVE EVERYBODY OF ALL THEIR OFFENSES AGAINST YOU."
(Forgive, and be forgiven.)
2. "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN."
3. "ABIDE IN ME, AND LET ME ABIDE IN YOU."
4. "LET PEOPLE SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS." (Do not hide your light
under a basket.)
5. "END DISPUTES QUICKLY."
6. "WHATEVER CAUSES YOU TO SIN, GET RID OF IT."
7. "DO NOT SWEAR OATHS AT ALL."
8. "DO NOT RETURN OFFENSE FOR OFFENSE." (Turn the other cheek.)
9. "GIVE WHAT PEOPLE ASK OF YOU, AND GIVE MORE THAN IS REQUIRED."
(Go the extra mile.)
10. "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND THOSE WHO WORK AGAINST YOU."
11. "GIVE TO THE POOR TO PLEASE GOD, NOT TO GAIN APPROVAL
FROM OTHER PEOPLE."
12. "PRAY PRIVATELY AND SIMPLY, NOT TO IMPRESS OTHER PEOPLE."
13. "MAKE YOUR PRAYERS BE LIKE THE LORD'S PRAYER."
14. "WHEN YOU FAST, DO IT SECRETLY, NOT FOR SHOW."
15. "STORE UP YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN, NOT ON EARTH."
16. "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR MATERIAL NEEDS."
17. "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE."
18. "MAKE GOD YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY, AND HE WILL TAKE CARE OF
ALL YOUR NEEDS."
19. "DO NOT JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE." (Judge not, lest ye be judged.)
20. "DO NOT GIVE HOLY THINGS TO DOGS OR CAST YOUR PEARLS
BEFORE SWINE."
21. "ASK GOD FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HAVE." (Seek, and ye shall
find.)
22. "FEED THE HUNGRY, CLOTHE THE NAKED, SHELTER THE HOMELESS,
COMFORT THOSE IN DISTRESS."
23. "FOLLOW THE NARROW PATH TO LIFE." (Enter by the narrow gate.)
24. "BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS."
25. "EXERCISE POWER OVER UNCLEAN SPIRITS."
26. "LOVE LITTLE CHILDREN, DO NOT DESPISE THEM."
27. "DO NOT TAKE THE TITLES 'MASTER' OR 'FATHER' FOR YOURSELF."
28. "RESOLVE DISPUTES IN AN ORDERLY WAY, LIKE THIS . . . "
29. "DO NOT OPPOSE OTHER BELIEVERS IN CHRIST WHO ARE NOT IN YOUR
GROUP."
30. "HAVE TOTAL FAITH IN GOD FOR EVERYTHING."
31. "BE LIKE THE GOOD SAMARITAN." (Go, and do likewise.)
32. "LOVE OTHER PEOPLE AS I HAVE LOVED YOU"
33. "EAT BREAD AND DRINK WINE IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
34. "WASH ONE ANOTHER'S FEET."
35. "BE MERCIFUL."
36. "GO AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM."
37. "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."
38. "BE PREPARED FOR YOUR MASTER TO RETURN."

On the topic of the differences between Christianity in general and Buddhism

First off, I most certainly never claimed that these two religions are anywhere near the same. That is a false notion right there.

What I said is that had been attributed to Jesus were far more in alignment with the teaching of Buddhism than they were with the teachings of the Torah.

Cowboy's lengthy list of the things that "Christianity" supposedly stood for fails to even recognize this FACT.

For example:



These were the teachings of Jesus that are indeed in agreement with the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism and not in agreement with the teachings of the Torah.

The Torah did not teach people to forgive the offense that other people trespass against you. On the contrary the Torah taught people that it's perfectly ok to seek revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

So here's an example where the teachings of Jesus are in far better alignment with the teachings of Buddhism and in contradiction with the teachings of the Torah.



That's Buddhism. YOU MUST BECOME ENLIGHTENED. And was not taught in the Torah. This comes from Jesus, not the Torah.



Buddhism again. Recognize that all are one. Everything you do unto your brother you do unto "me". (i.e. you do unto yourself)




This is Buddhism too. Especially Mahayana Buddhism which is the Buddhism that was popular at that time in history. In fact, the Mahayana Buddhist monks would often not even bother taking in a student unless that student vowed to become a Bodhisattva. And the very concept of a Bodhisattva was to sacrifice your life for the sake of the enlightenment of others.







I just have to laugh at this one, because the God of the Bible is infamous for keeping his dispute with Satan an ongoing thing.

But again this is something that Jesus taught that is more in line with Buddhism than with the teachings of the Torah.

Buddhism would also teach to end any negativity as quickly as possible that's a founding principle of their belief system.




Buddhism again: Whatever causes you to create bad karma get rid of it.


That's just common sense.

But ironically this would be Jesus telling people not to swear marriage vows because that's the same as swearing an OATH.

Kind of flies in the face of the whole religion actually.



This was already covered above so I'll just cut and paste my same reply here:

These were the teachings of Jesus that are indeed in agreement with the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism and not in agreement with the teachings of the Torah.

The Torah did not teach people to forgive the offense that other people trespass against you. On the contrary the Torah taught people that it's perfectly ok to seek revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

So here's an example where the teachings of Jesus are in far better alignment with the teachings of Buddhism and in contradiction with the teachings of the Torah.


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I'm not going to bother going through them all. But clearly the things that Jesus taught are far more in line with Mahayana Buddhism than with the Torah.

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It's actually FALSE to even suggest that I had ever said or implied that Buddhism and "Christianity" teach the same things.

On the contrary, I merely pointed out that many of the moral behaviors that Jesus taught were far more in line with the philosophy of Buddhism than they were with the teaching of the Torah.

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Jesus and Buddhism teach: DO NOT JUDGE.

The Torah has people necessarily judging each other and even stoning each other to death after judging them to be sinners.

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Jesus and Buddhism teach: DO NOT THROW STONES

The Torah has people stoning sinners and heathens to death

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Jesus and Buddhism teach: TURN THE OTHER CHEEK (i.e. FORGIVE)

The Torah teaches an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth (i.e. seek revenge it's your god-given right!)

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Jesus and Buddhism teach: We and the "Father" are ONE.

Jesus and Buddhism teach: Ye are gods!

Jesus and Buddhism teach: Whatever you to do your brother you also do to "me" (i.e. you do it to everyone including yourself)

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What I'm saying is that the things that Jesus taught are far more in line with the wisdom and teachings of Buddhism, and opposite to the teachings of the Torah.

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In NO WAY did I ever attempt to claim that the beliefs of Buddhism are the same as the beliefs of "Christianity".

Christianity uses Jesus to prop up the idea that the Torah or Old Testament was the "Word of God".

That's where I'm saying that they are wrong!

Jesus did not support the crap that had been taught in the Old Torah. He renounced everything from judging people, stoning them to death, or attempting to get even via the notion that god condones revenge via an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Jesus renounced all that crap and said, "I and the father are ONE", that's pantheism/Buddhism, and "whatever you do unto your brother you do unto me", that's pantheism/Buddhism, and "Ye are gods!", again that's pantheism/Buddhism.

The things that Jesus taught are far more in line with the teachings of Pantheism/Buddhism, and totally opposed to the teaching of the Torah.

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That is my observation, not some insane notion that Christianity and Buddhism teach the same things.

Christianity corrupts the teachings of Jesus by claiming that he is the son of the God of Abraham.

It makes far more sense to me that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist who actually tried to "Save" the Jews from their wicked religoin that had been taught in the Torah. He was continually renouncing the things that their religion had them doing (i.e. judging people to be sinners, stoning them to death, killing heathens, and seeking revenge)

Jesus himself basically renounced the teachings of the Torah as best he possibly could without outright renouncing the doctrine itself. He couldn't very well do that, so he had to be clever, and clever he most certainly WAS!

But unfortunately, in the end, he wasn't quite clever enough.

Although he was acquitted by Pilate officially. It was quite unfortunately that Pilate ended up turning Jesus over to enemies that he himself had ultimately created.

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There is a lesson in the story of Jesus for sure.

If you're out to try to change the world you had better be prepared to die for your actions (your karma) even though they may be well-intended like Jesus' ultimate goals. He still ended up sowing negativity when he condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites. That was a huge MISTAKE on his behalf. He should have practiced what he preached and not made accusations toward other people.

His mission ultimately failed because it just ended up getting him physically crucified, and then a religion was created in his name that continued on to be used as an excuse by people to do horrible things in the name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty".

Crusades, "witch" burnings (most of those poor women were probably Christian midwives anyway), the destruction of the Great Library at Alexandria, and a continued opposition to scientific knowledge TO THIS VERY DAY!

Even today, people are using Jesus' name as an excuse to renounce things like evolution, and preach ignorance and superstition over actual knowledge, etc.

It's truly a shame.

Dude, you truly don't listen. Do you? I have all along agreed with that Jesus' teachings didn't agree with the Torah. THAT covenant is FULFILLED. Jesus brought a NEW covenant. The NEW TESTAMENT. With each covenant comes laws and prophecies. That is why the covenant Jesus gave us didn't agree with the old covenant, the Torah. Because they are not the same, they are two different covenants, two different sets of laws. Why would God fulfilled one covenant and make the next one the exact same? Why wouldn't he just keep the same one?

Reason I posted the teachings of Jesus, was because it was requested by Funches.

I'm truly thinking you either truly don't listen, or say things over and over and over again hoping for a different result so that you could use that against the one you're discussing with.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

With each covenant/sets of laws comes prophecies. The covenants that God makes with us only holds time till all things be fulfilled. Then comes the next cycle, next covenant, next whatever God has in plan for us. That is why Jesus was here to fulfill the prophecies of the old covenant, the Torah, the old testament, and give us a new covenant. The new covenant came with new prophecies. This covenant will hold until judgment time.

I hear what you say Cowboy, but you're stance is ultimately faulty.

You claim that Jesus brought a "New Covenant", yet you still preach Old Testament crap like the idea that God hates homosexually and commanded that we don't partake in that activity.

So you speak with FORKED TONGUE.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to claim that God is dependable and "unchanging" yet you have Jesus CHANGING all his laws, except for the bigotries that you'd personally like to use the Old Testament to support.

That makes no sense at all.

So, yes I LISTEN to your claims, I just totally disagree with your flawed reasoning.

Christianity is hypocritical when it comes to using Jesus as an excuse to support their hateful bigotries.

You just do not make sense at all.

Plus, you've already discredited your own claims by your stance that all information is nothing more than hearsay. If that's your claim then every claim that is made about Jesus or anything else has no more merit than anything according to YOU!

So why should anyone even care about your opinions since by your very own stance all possible information is equally discredited as nothing more than hearsay rumors?

You've basically reduced your very own opinions to be totally meaningless and without merit.

I don't hold that at all.

I hold that scientific knowledge has far more credibility than hearsay rumors. I totally disagree with you that scientific knowledge even amounts to 'hearsay rumors' because you can verify most scientific knowledge yourself first hand.

I also disagree with your stance that recent events that have a lot of independent historial evidence should be reduced to having no more merit then ancient Greek or Hebrew fables that have absolutely no independent historical evidence whatsoever for their outrageous superstitious claims of supernatural events.

You're the one who refuses to LISTEN.

You're claims simply have no merit at all, by your very own standards!

Jesus flat out rejected and trampled all over previous directives and teachings in the Old Testament, and you can't have a supposedly "unchanging" God changing his mind like that about what he expects from human behavior. So it's a failed fable.

It doesn't even stand as a consistent fable, much less have any merit to be considered as anything genuine or real.


You can't have Jesus spitting in the face of the God of Abraham Cowboy and still try to claim that he's the son of that God. That's makes absolutely no sense at all!

An excuse that he brought some sort of "New Covenant" doesn't stand up to reason. An unchanging God would have no reason to change his laws and directives.

In fact, in the Old Testament is claims that God's word is FOREVER.

You're theory that Jesus changed the laws flies in the very face of this premise.

Thus the religion shoots itself in its own foot.

Well this should clearly show you that this Matthew guy was lying. Because Jesus DID destroy the old Laws.

So either Matthew lied about what Jesus said, or Jesus himself lied. Take your choice.

If Jesus was indeed bringing a New Covenant, then that very act would automatically DESTROY the Old Laws. Thus if he stated that he did not come to destroy the old laws then he couldn't have been bringing a New Covenant.

So your theory fails no matter how we look at it.