Jesus also says that no evil works can come from God.

Yet all you do is spread religious bigotry in the name of God.

Therefore your works cannot be from God.

To take that even further, the Bible even says that the Lord created both good and evil, so is Jesus a liar?

I won't be able to answer this to your satisfaction. Not because of any conflict or indecisiveness on my part. But because to understand this, you need to accept some basic principles of Christianity to truly understand what I am saying.

Essentially, to put it as succinctly as possible, when you accept His Gift, you will accept Him as your Savior. In that process, you will want to keep His Word and Commandments. Not a "requirement" as you are trying to say, more of a desire. It is a journey, not a destination...

The part in the Bible is not in conflict. It is identifying what true faith is. Essentially what that is saying is, you really don't have faith if you keep your faith hidden from the world.

It's not a Pantheistic view. Pantheistic view is we are all God. We are all just a part of God. If your foot becomes infected with disease, do you not chop it off if that disease can not be cured? If one doesn't reach out for forgiveness of their sins, that diseased person is chopped off the body of Christ.

That's funny!

right...the bible

It absolutely is this "God's Fault" Cowboy since he's supposedly the one who designed this scheme.

He set things up so that he can only create new souls that are already contaminated with sin.

So you're just suggesting now that this God was a fool in his design.

It necessarily is his fault by design.

You can't justify a God who creates souls with sin. That's a flaw in the very design of creation.

So you place your faith in a story of an inept God.

All I do is spread the truth, I spread no evil nor do I say any form of evil.

It is not God's fault one is born with sin though. Why you try to find a scapegoat? Would be one's decedents that cause that person to be born with sin, God didn't make those people do the things they did or didn't do, God didn't force those people to act as such. They disobeyed on their own free will, thus it can't be God's fault.

If sinning is going against God's will, then it would be impossible to be born "with Sin" since a newborn baby isn't even capable of knowing "God's will" much less going against it.

So you're claims are oxymoronic and have no rational merit whatsoever.

Cowboy....you do not spread the truth ....do you want me to bring up that Noah's Ark incident again ......

Scapegoat?

Scapegoat for what?

The God you describe is an unrighteous demon Cowboy.

No 'scapegoat' required.

The religion that you're trying to sell is a flawed product.

It's unworthy of "faith", IMHO.

Your religion is nothing more that evil religious bigotry spread in the name of your so-called "God". But you're God would need to be more demonic than your Satan in order for your hate scheme to work.

It's clearly a contradiction in terms and therefore has to be false.

You place your "faith" in an irrational picture of a creator.

That's all.

I see no reason to place my "faith" in a picture of such an ignorant inept and ultimately evil picture of a supposed supreme being. There would be nothing supreme or divine about such a being. Such a being would be totally untrustworthy and deceitful in his creations.

Thus this picture of a "god" isn't worthy of "faith".

The very fact that you claim that what you speak is the "Truth" is itself a lie.

Your belief in the Christian stories is entirely FAITH BASED.

That is the TRUTH my friend.

You interpretations of those ancient fables is just that, - your own personal interpretations.

That is the TRUTH my friend.

In fact, when you speak as though the things that you say are indeed "truth" that is when you lie.

You cross over from truth into the world of lies when you pretend that your FAITH represents truth.

If you want to be TRUTHFUL, you need to acknowledge that everything that you believe, you do so on FAITH, and it's your personal desire and hope that your beliefs will potentially come true.

That is the TRUTH my friend.

You spread and support religious bigotry to the hilt in the name of Jesus as The Christ Almighty.

That is the TRUTH my friend.

Those are the TRUTHS.

So why don't you just own up to the TRUTH and tell everyone that your beliefs and interpretations are indeed nothing more than your on FAITH-BASED desires.

Then you could finally claim to be speaking the TRUTH.

Sin is condemned to the flesh. Your parents flesh is passed on to you, so is the sin. That is why we accept Jesus into our hearts. We then walk in the spirit rather then in the flesh.

Romans 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

That is your choice my friend.

And that is why I've shown everything you know of yesterday that did not directly effect you is taken on faith. If you wish not to put faith in that Jesus is the only begotten child of God, our savior and friend. That is again, your choice :). That is not the purpose of these discussions anyways. Not trying to win you over not trying to denounce your beliefs. You take it to personal my friend, we are having a DISCUSSION on our different beliefs.

Absolutely. I chose to reject bigotry and religious dogmas that perpetuate the idea of hateful untrustworthy jealous godheads.

Yes, I chose righteousness over hatred in the name of God.

Most certainly.

You know, there are quite a few people that have faith without hating anyone. Granted, they aren't main stream. But Jesus does tell us to love everyone, especially our enemies.

I'm glad to hear that you finally confess that you're views are indeed just your faith that you express for the sake of discussion.

In that spirit, then I will simply say that I could never place faith in the demonic hateful picture that you paint of a deceitful God.

I see not point in supporting such hateful ignorance.

It serves no good other than to inflate the ego of the person who is trying to push that view as far as I can see.

I believe that.

I also believe that Jesus himself did indeed preach love and did not support religious bigotry, etc.

Many Christians have been taught that Jesus was the "Only begotten son" of God. Thus giving his words credence far above that of any mortal man.

This fulfills their desire to believe that they have heard something that did indeed come straight from the creator. So that is the basis of why they believe in this particular religion over all others. They buy into the idea that the ancient Hebrews hold the copyright on God, and that the authors of the New Testament now even hold a copyright on God that trumps the ancient Hebrews.

But that kind of thinking truly isn't necessary.

If you can believe that God could speak to Moses, then you can just as easily believe that God could speak to Confucius, or Lao Tzu, or Krishna, etc.

If you believe that God could send Jesus to speak to the Jews, then you can just as easily believe that God could send Siddhartha Gautma to speak to the Indians, or even the Dalai Lama to speak to us.

It's all "Faith based".

But the Abrahamic religions result in extreme religious bigotry. Bigotry against one another no less.

Even the Christian sect has broken into a myriad of factions and denominations that are in heated opposition to each others views.

So if you step back and take a look at the big picture you can see the hostility and religious bigotry that Christianity ultimately creates. That is clearly no "good works" and thus by Jesus' own proclamation cannot be emanating from God.

So, yes, there are a lot of innocent "believers" who simply want to believe in a righteous God. They don't bother with the details themselves, and in fact, the vast majority of them do not even agree with the kind of religious extremism that is preached by people like Cowboy and others. Most of them totally renounce that kind of crap.

They have FAITH alright. But what they truly place their FAITH in is the idea of a genuinely righteous God not a God who would go around condemning people on trivial petty technicalities such as whether or not they support religious bigotry in the name of Jesus as the Christ Almighty. In fact, most descent Christians would be appalled at that very notion.

People who support religious bigotry and preach it do not support the idea of a truly righteous and loving God. Instead they are just wallowing in the egotistical pleasure they get out of using religion to incite religiously bigoted riots.

They use the religion to support their own form of hatred.

And the decent Christians shouldn't even be supporting them. Either financially or morally.