No...what have they been telling you to do?

according to the bible after this talk Eve and Adam were kicked out of Eden ..lol

No God is not limited to "Christians". God is there for everyone, it's people like you whom wish to give the ones that love our father and try out best the title Christian. It is you whom gives us that title. It is you whom gives that title to those who do their best to obey our father's every wish. It is you whom gives that title to those whom give the credit of life to our father.

Well if what you say is true here then I've been recognizing and worshiping God all along via Wicca, Buddhism, and even via science.

Besides, you didn't even read my words correctly. I said that God can't possibly be limited to Christianity (not to Christians).

Christianity is a religion. Christians are merely people who claim to be followers of that religion.

So I'm glad that you have finally confessed that Christianity does not own God. '

That's what I've been saying for ages.

This question has been running around my head for quite some time, now, I'm an agnostic more or less because I don't know what happens when we die. However, I'm also a bit of a logical thinker and the entire 'heaven and hell' idea just escapes me.

Anyway, regardless of that. How, and I ask everyone this, does one really truly believe with all of the war, famine, and other man-made diseases that plague this world...that a God or Gods really cares? It is said that we are all sewn from the same fabric, in a sense we are all related according to the biggest Bible known to man. Adam and Eve, the forbidden fruit, so on and so forth.

God created the universe is how I recall the story going, each planet, solar system, star constellation, every single drop of this entire life. Then you have us, humanity, not anywhere near perfect.

So, if a God or Gods truly exist...what is humanities worth to it/them? What are we worth to a God or Gods in a universe that doesn't flicker when we die, doesn't cry when we are in pain, a universe that if this entire world was destroyed wouldn't shake or tremble one bit.

The logical side of me thinks that if a God or Gods truly created everything, I hardly think it or they really care if we die off given that we are such a minimal aspect of the entire universe and that everything outside of this world is perfectly crafted and stands out magestically when compared to earth.

It's an allegory. The Israelites associated some things with other ideas. Serpents represented wisdom. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden and it can be assumed that angels were there too. The scripture tells you that "the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made."...so this "serpent" wasn't an animal, because it was more crafty than any animal God made. ("wild animal" could also be translated as "living thing in the land", which would include Adam and Eve!) In revelations, Satan is called "the serpent of old", which Christians believe is referring to the "serpent" in Genesis 3:1.

To use an allegory or parable means that since that moment the interpretation of the truth becomes just an assumption
hence - misunderstanding or many wrong and different ideas , the base of argue and endless debates.

There is no 1 serious reason to be use allegories and parables in such so important for all humans resources like bible and other holy books if they have been given to guide our life.

Hence we can say that all this is not by God given books but Israelites writers' ideas and concepts abt the God and life.

To use an allegory or parable means that since that moment the interpretation of the truth becomes just an assumption
hence - misunderstanding or many wrong and different ideas , the base of argue and endless debates.

There is no 1 serious reason to be use allegories and parables in such so important for all humans resources like bible and other holy books if they have been given to guide our life.

Hence we can say that all this is not by God given books but Israelites writers' ideas and concepts abt the God and life.

adam and eve represent human male and female's...

adam and eve's, male and females cast to earth, to live in a pain filled environment for a "mortal spell"...

to create an understanding of a perfect realm, by living out a mortal spell of all that is not perfect, therefore creating the ability to know the difference when becoming "immortal again"...

the serpent represent any human intaking all data read and heard thru it's own self interest alone, accessing all data as "how" it twould effect "self", thus creating the primary root motive or drive propulsion of a "human"...

for indeed, all human behaviour acted out can be traced to the root motive of elimination, reduction, and protection from "pain for self"...

after all humans during "one cycle", have passed thru the "hell's kitchen" of earth, each being as a one of a kind recipe in itself, than the earth and cosmos shift to create the "garden of eden" again, spring break for all the kiddie gods...

peace

sorry...

my dealer dosen't deal with any human in love and intoxicated with their own image of themself as wise, lol...

for that which seeks to prove itself wise, shall reduce itself to idiocy.

Whoa...you just totally blew my mind man. I'm gonna go jam to Freedom Rock and like think about all you've said and stuff.

This question has been running around my head for quite some time, now, I'm an agnostic more or less because I don't know what happens when we die. However, I'm also a bit of a logical thinker and the entire 'heaven and hell' idea just escapes me.

Anyway, regardless of that. How, and I ask everyone this, does one really truly believe with all of the war, famine, and other man-made diseases that plague this world...that a God or Gods really cares? It is said that we are all sewn from the same fabric, in a sense we are all related according to the biggest Bible known to man. Adam and Eve, the forbidden fruit, so on and so forth.

God created the universe is how I recall the story going, each planet, solar system, star constellation, every single drop of this entire life. Then you have us, humanity, not anywhere near perfect.

So, if a God or Gods truly exist...what is humanities worth to it/them? What are we worth to a God or Gods in a universe that doesn't flicker when we die, doesn't cry when we are in pain, a universe that if this entire world was destroyed wouldn't shake or tremble one bit.

The logical side of me thinks that if a God or Gods truly created everything, I hardly think it or they really care if we die off given that we are such a minimal aspect of the entire universe and that everything outside of this world is perfectly crafted and stands out magestically when compared to earth.

Allegory's serve many purposes.

1) It makes difficult concepts easier to understand.
2) It makes a concept more portable from one culture / language to another.

For God to reach as many people as possible with his Word, the allegory is a God-send, if you'll pardon the pun.

Does it matter if the serpent is a snake or an angel? That's missing the point of the story. The relationship between Man and God changed when Adam and Eve brought about the fall.

No, they are God-sends to apologists who use them to put pretty wrapping paper around the contradictions and misinformation they are peddling.

But here's an allegory for you-- given that Adam was the alleged father of the human race, what sort of Frontier Justice is it that allows your God lay the sins of the father upon the 'sons'? If a secular judge tried to do that, he'd be tarred and feathered. Yet when God-as-sock-puppet-judge does it, his followers excuse it as his perogative. But what's usually Really Going On Here is that it's used by the religionists to mete out punishments to People We Don't Like.

Wrap it up in parable and allegory and Viola! Frontier Justice becomes Divine Justice for the militant religionists who feel only they have the franchise to dispense justice.

The story of the Midianites is a PERFECT example of Frontier Justice gone wild under the cloak of Divine Justice.


-Kerry O.

No, they are God-sends to apologists who use them to put pretty wrapping paper around the contradictions and misinformation they are peddling.

But here's an allegory for you-- given that Adam was the alleged father of the human race, what sort of Frontier Justice is it that allows your God lay the sins of the father upon the 'sons'?

Wrap it up in parable and allegory and Viola! Frontier Justice becomes Divine Justice for the militant religionists who feel only they have the franchise to dispense justice.

Parables are used so that we will understand. Parables are used so that we can get a closer relationship with our father. Rather then him being some form of dictator. Parables makes it easier to relate and understand what someone wants and why they would want it to be. It is more understanding then just saying it straight out. That is why people use them even today. "It's as cold as ice out there, she's hotter then a firecracker, man when he eats, he's pig" ect ect. Those are all parables.

parables are a form of trickery....a parable never have any true meaning..this is how the giver of the parables can use it to manipulate ...all a parable giver has to say is that the receiver of the parable simply mis-interpeted the parable that was given and there can be no dispute by the receiver of the parable that it wasn't mis-interpeted ...the parable giver has absolute power over what the parable means

proof of this is why there are so many different forms of Christianity because of how people mis-interpet and manipulate the parables of Jesus to mean anything they choose it to mean

this is why anything that is not told in direct truth is therefore a lie because it was told using lies ...a parable is a tale of lies