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Topic: Does God even care?
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/28/10 01:00 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? And if we learn instead of being hard headed, we'll regain the paradise. We'll show our father that we are obedient.

chocolina Joined Tue 12/07/10 Posts: 183	Tue 12/28/10 01:02 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/28/10 01:11 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/28/10 01:13 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Actually, the bible itself is multiple sources. It is a collection of books gathered together through a certain period of time to form what we call the "bible".

chocolina Joined Tue 12/07/10 Posts: 183	Tue 12/28/10 01:14 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Eh , then may you tell me Do you believe 100% in the bible?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/28/10 02:23 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Eh , then may you tell me Do you believe 100% in the bible? Yes I believe 100% of the bible.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 12/28/10 04:57 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? the bible

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 12/28/10 05:00 PM
The pain we suffer in life is because of punishment. as I said punishment and pain is how God show that he cares ... It falls into the area of being kicked out of the Garden of Eden. no pain falls into the area of being kicked in the butt If there was no pain, no suffering, or anything of such, this world would be relatively like the Garden of Eden and there would have been no consequence for our disobedience and eating of the fruit. right...that's why we need pain...living in the garden or eden would be boring The pain Jesus suffered was because of you,the whole world, and I remember it was god that created pain not me...besides I wasn't around 2,000 years ago ...was you? ... . Our sins put Jesus on that cross. If we didn't sin, Jesus would never have had to be crucified for our sins because we wouldn't have any. no it was Jesus's ego that put Jesus on the cross ... remember it was god that created pain not me...besides I wasn't around 2,000 years ago ...was you? Yes it was God who created pain. Pain is there for us to learn. You touch something hot and get burned, you learn not to touch that again. That is why God allows pain to be here, for again being here instead of the Garden of Eden is in punishment for man's disobedience to God. so do you agree or not...that pain is the way that God shows that he cares ....and the religious associate God creating pain as a way to show his love

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 12/28/10 05:08 PM
Cowboy posted Yes I believe 100% of the bible. wow..a Christian that believes 100 percent of the bible?...IMPOSSIBLE so Cowboy...do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people? posted by God ...oops I meant Yahweh: Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth." so do you believe that 100 percent?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 12/28/10 05:59 PM
Cowboy posted Yes I believe 100% of the bible. wow..a Christian that believes 100 percent of the bible?...IMPOSSIBLE so Cowboy...do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people? posted by God ...oops I meant Yahweh: Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth." so do you believe that 100 percent? I do, I would assume that almost every Christian does. I would say all, but some Christians aren't very good, like the Westboro and the White Supremacist types.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Wed 12/29/10 04:30 AM
Cowboy posted Yes I believe 100% of the bible. wow..a Christian that believes 100 percent of the bible?...IMPOSSIBLE so Cowboy...do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people? posted by God ...oops I meant Yahweh: Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth." so do you believe that 100 percent? I do, I would assume that almost every Christian does. I would say all, but some Christians aren't very good, like the Westboro and the White Supremacist types. which means that you also believe that to get to God you don't need Jesus you need to be Jewish

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 12/29/10 04:37 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 12/29/10 04:42 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it? That's a little late to wait to learn. Why would you not learn while your on earth from the pain such and such action(s) caused? Why would you continue to do actions that you see bring hardship to you, you family, your friends, and or general people around you? Why would you wish to continue on doing life the same way when you see that it's getting you no where? That's where the learning is to happen.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 12/29/10 04:45 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it? That's a little late to wait to learn. Why would you not learn while your on earth from the pain such and such action(s) caused? Why would you continue to do actions that you see bring hardship to you, you family, your friends, and or general people around you? Why would you wish to continue on doing life the same way when you see that it's getting you no where? That's where the learning is to happen. And that is why Jesus offers forgiveness of our sins. Life is a growing process the entire time. You fail one time here and sin by doing such and such. You then ask for forgiveness and repent from that sin which you committed. Eg., learning process. Forgiveness isn't given to us so we can go do what we want when we want it then ask for forgiveness of our transgressions then repeat. No, it is a loving father giving compassion to his child who stumbled on his/her trail of life. He offers the forgiveness again so we can get up, dust the dirt off our knees, and learn from that mistake.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 12/29/10 04:52 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it? I don't understand what you're saying here... Are you suggesting that when you meet your creator, there will be only pain and he won't reveal all truths to you? If so, dying sure is going to suck!

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 12/29/10 05:13 AM Edited by Kleisto on Wed 12/29/10 05:13 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it? I don't understand what you're saying here... Are you suggesting that when you meet your creator, there will be only pain and he won't reveal all truths to you? If so, dying sure is going to suck! What I mean is, if God allows pain for us to learn, then surely in the afterlife as much as in this life, we would be given the chance to repent for any past mistakes. Yet your God doesn't allow that, so the analogy fails.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 12/29/10 05:36 AM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. Your analogy fails in one aspect. When this life ends, and one sees God for themselves, there is no chance to learn, simply all pain. What kind of a lesson is that if they can't learn from it? I don't understand what you're saying here... Are you suggesting that when you meet your creator, there will be only pain and he won't reveal all truths to you? If so, dying sure is going to suck! What I mean is, if God allows pain for us to learn, then surely in the afterlife as much as in this life, we would be given the chance to repent for any past mistakes. Yet your God doesn't allow that, so the analogy fails. How can you be so sure of that? That's not what I believe at all, quite the contrary actually.

chocolina Joined Tue 12/07/10 Posts: 183	Wed 12/29/10 02:52 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Eh , then may you tell me Do you believe 100% in the bible? Yes I believe 100% of the bible. So ... You do believe that snakes can talk?

chocolina Joined Tue 12/07/10 Posts: 183	Wed 12/29/10 02:53 PM
pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? the bible And who wrote the bible ?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 12/29/10 03:08 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 12/29/10 03:08 PM
chocolina said... So ... You do believe that snakes can talk? No...what have they been telling you to do?