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Here is our president making a racist remark. "typical white person" He says. LOL Yet he is not racist LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms? Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared. "Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good. That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person. But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person? You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races. For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical. If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why? Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself. statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,, that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,, Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back! ghetto living is not = black living and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,, I didn't say ghetto is black living. And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR! are you serious? so if I am being raped, and I IGNORE it , it will stop? If I am being tortured and I IGNORE it, it will stop? If a people are being systematically oppressed or terrorized and they IGNORE it, it will stop? racism doesnt end by being ignored, it just allows the racists to believe that it is how it should be because NOONE is saying any differently,,, Obviously when I say ignore a bully one would assume that you have removed yourself from the bully.......I think that's common sense. The point is this.. You have one rape victim she is sad and depressed and so she gets counseling. she works hard to work through her fears and move past the event. she is rewarded by moving on and being able to heal emotionally and be happy in life. She is able to rise above the situation because she CHOOSES to focus on the good and positive things in her life. Now take the second rape victim still sad , depressed and yea she has a reason for it too! She is COMPLETELY justified in her actions!. But she focuses on the fear, the pain and she gives into that fear and hides from men and lives off SSD for PTSD from the trauma of the experience. Not only is she stuck in the poor area where she is more likely to be victimized again but she also is stuck. Emotionally and physically and she is NOT happy, because you cant be happy when you live your life thinking about how bad things are for you. I agree, and this is why I said people achieve IN SPITE of racism and people hold themself back BECAUSE of racism,,but neither group has any obligation to IGNORE racism exists,,, I was a victim of rape, I didnt overcome it by ignoring that it happened or not talking about it,,,JUST THE OPPOSITE,,, Yea yea I know you were raped by a white guy and I was beaten and abused by black people. Hence our extremely different views. Both fueled by our passion on the subject. but I dont think white men are the 'most' sexist on the planet,,, I have also been LOVED by white men, which makes them pretty equal to everyone else in my book,,but I can look logically at the HISTORICAL context of race and race relations in america without harboring ill sentiment against any RACE in particular Exactly. Just because a person is bold enough to admit and acknowledge the differences in our races and culture doesn't make them racist and it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen else where. Just because a lot of white people live in nicer areas doesn't mean some white people are not going through racism on an everyday basis. and vise verses. Thats my point in these days where poor people come in all colors and so do the wealthy one has to assume that racism hits ever social stature and ever race. To assume that in THESE DAYS that one race has it worse than another is WRONG! there is no statement that applies to all whites or all blacks, I have and would never suggest otherwise however, there is AMPLE evidence of INSTITUTIONAL RACISM ( here I am not just speaking of slavery, but jim crow laws and unwritten hiring and educational practices, as well as good ole boy networks that have long been given the predominant power status in this country) having a more adverse affect on the economic and social status of African Americans than other 'races' If that's the case than why didn't you correct dragoness when she says that no white person can understand what it's like being a minority ? I have a feeling you know exactly what I went through because I bet you have known other poor white people who have experience racism from blacks. and as you can see from her post thats what my life was like from the white side. They blamed me for my life where they feel sorry for blacks. LOL nothing like being a poor white person let me tell you. NOBODY gives a **** about the poor white person. LOL You chose not to say anything to her obviously ignorant and naive post. |
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Here is our president making a racist remark. "typical white person" He says. LOL Yet he is not racist LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms? Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared. "Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good. That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person. But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person? You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races. For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical. If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why? Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself. statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,, that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,, Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back! ghetto living is not = black living and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,, I didn't say ghetto is black living. And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR! are you serious? so if I am being raped, and I IGNORE it , it will stop? If I am being tortured and I IGNORE it, it will stop? If a people are being systematically oppressed or terrorized and they IGNORE it, it will stop? racism doesnt end by being ignored, it just allows the racists to believe that it is how it should be because NOONE is saying any differently,,, Obviously when I say ignore a bully one would assume that you have removed yourself from the bully.......I think that's common sense. The point is this.. You have one rape victim she is sad and depressed and so she gets counseling. she works hard to work through her fears and move past the event. she is rewarded by moving on and being able to heal emotionally and be happy in life. She is able to rise above the situation because she CHOOSES to focus on the good and positive things in her life. Now take the second rape victim still sad , depressed and yea she has a reason for it too! She is COMPLETELY justified in her actions!. But she focuses on the fear, the pain and she gives into that fear and hides from men and lives off SSD for PTSD from the trauma of the experience. Not only is she stuck in the poor area where she is more likely to be victimized again but she also is stuck. Emotionally and physically and she is NOT happy, because you cant be happy when you live your life thinking about how bad things are for you. I agree, and this is why I said people achieve IN SPITE of racism and people hold themself back BECAUSE of racism,,but neither group has any obligation to IGNORE racism exists,,, I was a victim of rape, I didnt overcome it by ignoring that it happened or not talking about it,,,JUST THE OPPOSITE,,, Yea yea I know you were raped by a white guy and I was beaten and abused by black people. Hence our extremely different views. Both fueled by our passion on the subject. but I dont think white men are the 'most' sexist on the planet,,, I have also been LOVED by white men, which makes them pretty equal to everyone else in my book,,but I can look logically at the HISTORICAL context of race and race relations in america without harboring ill sentiment against any RACE in particular Exactly. Just because a person is bold enough to admit and acknowledge the differences in our races and culture doesn't make them racist and it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen else where. Just because a lot of white people live in nicer areas doesn't mean some white people are not going through racism on an everyday basis. and vise verses. Thats my point in these days where poor people come in all colors and so do the wealthy one has to assume that racism hits ever social stature and ever race. To assume that in THESE DAYS that one race has it worse than another is WRONG! there is no statement that applies to all whites or all blacks, I have and would never suggest otherwise however, there is AMPLE evidence of INSTITUTIONAL RACISM ( here I am not just speaking of slavery, but jim crow laws and unwritten hiring and educational practices, as well as good ole boy networks that have long been given the predominant power status in this country) having a more adverse affect on the economic and social status of African Americans than other 'races' If that's the case than why didn't you correct dragoness when she says that no white person can understand what it's like being a minority ? I have a feeling you know exactly what I went through because I bet you have known other poor white people who have experience racism from blacks. and as you can see from her post thats what my life was like from the white side. They blamed me for my life where they feel sorry for blacks. LOL nothing like being a poor white person let me tell you. NOBODY gives a **** about the poor white person. LOL You chose not to say anything to her obviously ignorant and naive post. dont take too much away from one snapshot in time, collect more information about a trend in conversation before making a conclusion Dragoness and I have had plenty of disagreements,, its actually comical to both of us how quickly we get lumped together when we happen to agree on things,,,,lol |
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Here is our president making a racist remark. "typical white person" He says. LOL Yet he is not racist LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms? Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared. "Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good. That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person. But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person? You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races. For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical. If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why? Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself. statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,, that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,, Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back! ghetto living is not = black living and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,, I didn't say ghetto is black living. And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR! are you serious? so if I am being raped, and I IGNORE it , it will stop? If I am being tortured and I IGNORE it, it will stop? If a people are being systematically oppressed or terrorized and they IGNORE it, it will stop? racism doesnt end by being ignored, it just allows the racists to believe that it is how it should be because NOONE is saying any differently,,, Obviously when I say ignore a bully one would assume that you have removed yourself from the bully.......I think that's common sense. The point is this.. You have one rape victim she is sad and depressed and so she gets counseling. she works hard to work through her fears and move past the event. she is rewarded by moving on and being able to heal emotionally and be happy in life. She is able to rise above the situation because she CHOOSES to focus on the good and positive things in her life. Now take the second rape victim still sad , depressed and yea she has a reason for it too! She is COMPLETELY justified in her actions!. But she focuses on the fear, the pain and she gives into that fear and hides from men and lives off SSD for PTSD from the trauma of the experience. Not only is she stuck in the poor area where she is more likely to be victimized again but she also is stuck. Emotionally and physically and she is NOT happy, because you cant be happy when you live your life thinking about how bad things are for you. I agree, and this is why I said people achieve IN SPITE of racism and people hold themself back BECAUSE of racism,,but neither group has any obligation to IGNORE racism exists,,, I was a victim of rape, I didnt overcome it by ignoring that it happened or not talking about it,,,JUST THE OPPOSITE,,, Yea yea I know you were raped by a white guy and I was beaten and abused by black people. Hence our extremely different views. Both fueled by our passion on the subject. but I dont think white men are the 'most' sexist on the planet,,, I have also been LOVED by white men, which makes them pretty equal to everyone else in my book,,but I can look logically at the HISTORICAL context of race and race relations in america without harboring ill sentiment against any RACE in particular Exactly. Just because a person is bold enough to admit and acknowledge the differences in our races and culture doesn't make them racist and it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen else where. Just because a lot of white people live in nicer areas doesn't mean some white people are not going through racism on an everyday basis. and vise verses. Thats my point in these days where poor people come in all colors and so do the wealthy one has to assume that racism hits ever social stature and ever race. To assume that in THESE DAYS that one race has it worse than another is WRONG! there is no statement that applies to all whites or all blacks, I have and would never suggest otherwise however, there is AMPLE evidence of INSTITUTIONAL RACISM ( here I am not just speaking of slavery, but jim crow laws and unwritten hiring and educational practices, as well as good ole boy networks that have long been given the predominant power status in this country) having a more adverse affect on the economic and social status of African Americans than other 'races' Her whole argument is ridiculous, except for the bit about recognizing racial differences not being racism, which she originally argued against. She stops responding to people who put her in a corner. Why would we ask the victims of racism to deal with it instead of seek to reduce the number of victims? When people become passive about a thing like racism, you get things like the Holocaust. I know a lot of people throw that out there as a kind of fear tactic, but it really is a good example here. The Jews had the kind of mentality that Rachel speaks of where they thought they could endure persecution and truly thought that if they held out long enough, things would get better. Obviously it didn't. The reason why we've made so many strides in reducing racism in this country is precisely BECAUSE people were willing to stand up and fight. The problem is that Rachel thinks she understands racism because she's experienced it on some level. What she doesn't understand is the scale in which it affects someone's life when they don't make up the wealthier majority that had (and arguably still has) control over the government for over 200 years. She may not even realize the fact that the entire culture of the "African American" comes from racism and the fact that people of many cultures were taken from their native land and had all ties cut off from their roots. They lost their given names and were separated from their family so a few generations down the line from living in Africa, people lost all ties with where they came from. So while Rachel knows that she's Italian, Native American, Welsh, and German, the reason why most Black people don't identify with a specific African nation (other than the fact that the borders of Africa were drawn up by Europeans who didn't factor in where tribes were located) is because that was stolen from them. The Black culture in the United States is the product of racism trying to normalize and find itself in a society that is gradually becoming more accepting. Even the way in which she identifies with herself and is a totally different mindset. She sees a half-Black president, some athletes who make a few bucks and that we're allowed to live in the same neighborhoods and use the same restrooms now and figures that racism is just something that should be tolerated. She thinks it's something that can be avoided, but probably doesn't take into account that white people have targeted every minority in this country in some kind of large scale racial conflict at some point in it's history (and currently is doing so as we speak). Simply put, she doesn't get it. What's bad is that she thinks she does. I honestly think that the reason finds the idea of a "typical white person" sort of out look so offensive is because, quite frankly, she might have one. |
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be careful here shiz
we arent supposed to make the posts too personal,,,just a heads up |
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She's already made unfounded claims that she didn't think I got it. At least I gave sound reasoning. As for her background, I didn't use anything that wasn't made public in her profile.
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ok , lets get back to the topic,,,
I didnt see what was offensive about what Sanchez said, and perhaps that speaks to a previous post about how its harder for those outside a situation to see the reality of it,,,,but the point is that SANCHEZ obviously felt enough responsibility to apologize for it,,,which is not something that news pundits or blatant racists often do |
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Agreed, I definitely got the sense that he was trying to make an argument where there wasn't one, maybe kick up press for his book. Glen Beck got away with calling Obama a racist, so he thought he could get away with calling Stewart a Bigot. The problem is that Beck slings better bull.
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Bit of a tangent, here, but I'd like to emphasize that the 'good ol' boys' networks which operates at the 'higher' (economic and educational) levels also discriminates against poor white people.
as well as good ole boy networks that have long been given the predominant power status in this country
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GO ASIANS
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"all i can type is it ain't my fault what happened back then and whats happening now...until one race is left there will always be racism.every race goes through the samething just some more than others..."
Book of RKISIT 4:47 |
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Her whole argument is ridiculous, except for the bit about recognizing racial differences not being racism, which she originally argued against. She stops responding to people who put her in a corner. Why would we ask the victims of racism to deal with it instead of seek to reduce the number of victims? When people become passive about a thing like racism, you get things like the Holocaust. I know a lot of people throw that out there as a kind of fear tactic, but it really is a good example here. The Jews had the kind of mentality that Rachel speaks of where they thought they could endure persecution and truly thought that if they held out long enough, things would get better. Obviously it didn't. The reason why we've made so many strides in reducing racism in this country is precisely BECAUSE people were willing to stand up and fight. The problem is that Rachel thinks she understands racism because she's experienced it on some level. What she doesn't understand is the scale in which it affects someone's life when they don't make up the wealthier majority that had (and arguably still has) control over the government for over 200 years. She may not even realize the fact that the entire culture of the "African American" comes from racism and the fact that people of many cultures were taken from their native land and had all ties cut off from their roots. They lost their given names and were separated from their family so a few generations down the line from living in Africa, people lost all ties with where they came from. So while Rachel knows that she's Italian, Native American, Welsh, and German, the reason why most Black people don't identify with a specific African nation (other than the fact that the borders of Africa were drawn up by Europeans who didn't factor in where tribes were located) is because that was stolen from them. The Black culture in the United States is the product of racism trying to normalize and find itself in a society that is gradually becoming more accepting. Even the way in which she identifies with herself and is a totally different mindset. She sees a half-Black president, some athletes who make a few bucks and that we're allowed to live in the same neighborhoods and use the same restrooms now and figures that racism is just something that should be tolerated. She thinks it's something that can be avoided, but probably doesn't take into account that white people have targeted every minority in this country in some kind of large scale racial conflict at some point in it's history (and currently is doing so as we speak). Simply put, she doesn't get it. What's bad is that she thinks she does. I honestly think that the reason finds the idea of a "typical white person" sort of out look so offensive is because, quite frankly, she might have one. i agree with some of what your saying, but but pisses me off about these kinds of statements is that minorities seem to think white people have some sort of monopoly on racism. i don't think you get it, to be honest... minorities seem to think that being prejudice back is the answer... it is not...2 wrongs don't make a right... everyone in this country has the same opportunities as any one else does... what you do with them is whether you succeed or not. so when a black kid starts dealing drugs instead of going to school and getting good grades, is that the white mans fault? education is the key to success, and if minorities don't get that, what are we supposed to do? minorities sit back and blame everyone else for their lack of success, and don't take any responsibility for their own shortcomings. it so much easier to blame someone else than to try to make something of themselves. why is it when a minority fails, it the white mans fault, but when they succeed, the white man doesn't get credit? i mean, if it is all our fault, why not?? what i am saying here is to quit playing the blame game and use that energy as a positive to get your people to stay in school and try to learn something |
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I agree the blame game is futile
but looking at the realities we live in and aknowledging how RACE plays a big part is quite different I am more interested in ATTEMPTING to be a society where an american is an american regardless of skin color or religious doctrine or gender if education were the only issue, Id be happy to discuss that, but the issue is the RESOURCES which make education available, the SUPPORT which educates children well enough to be able to compete those things are NOT equally available or instituted and even if one were to go to the base of the problem(economics), one cannot ignore how economic position in America is painfully and historically entertwined with RACE,,, |
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"all i can type is it ain't my fault what happened back then and whats happening now...until one race is left there will always be racism.every race goes through the samething just some more than others..." Book of RKISIT 4:47 truth!! Thank god!!! My theory. hating someone or thinking they are less than you based off their color is racism. Relating to people of your own race and being more comfortable around them and distinguishing differences between the races is natural. These days if a white woman admits she is not attracted to black men, she is labeled as a racist. I don't buy that. Sorry To me in my opinion, if you don't harbor any resentment or anger towards someone based off race then you are not a racist. When I was growing up I used to hear the girl talk about white people versus black people. Like the black girls would say "white people eat mayo and black people eat miracle whip." Now I don't know if that's true or not but I also don't think it made them racist. I feel that we have gotten to sensitive about race and we are actually undermining the problem by calling many things racism that are not truly racism. That very act makes people start to not care about it when someone says someone is racist because the term is bing thrown around so loosely. It's like the story of the boy who cried wolf. |
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I agree the blame game is futile but looking at the realities we live in and aknowledging how RACE plays a big part is quite different I am more interested in ATTEMPTING to be a society where an american is an american regardless of skin color or religious doctrine or gender if education were the only issue, Id be happy to discuss that, but the issue is the RESOURCES which make education available, the SUPPORT which educates children well enough to be able to compete those things are NOT equally available or instituted and even if one were to go to the base of the problem(economics), one cannot ignore how economic position in America is painfully and historically entertwined with RACE,,, Nope you have one thing right though, it is economics. Poor people don't get treated well. Poor school's don't offer the kind of small classes and proffered schooling environment for optimal learning. However, if a child really wants to succeed nothing can stop them not even their race. I understand that you feel it's a black thing but the only way to prove that is to look at each school and see that the black kids in each specific class are being treated differently and that is simply not the case. There was a time when what you are saying is absolutely correct but now that time has gone and passed. |
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racism 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism the spectrum of RACIST is as broad as the spectrum of LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE american history is directly connected to the social construct of race so it is impossible to grow up emersed in american culture and not fall somewhere on the continuum of the 'racist' line stereotypes we hold, like what blacks or whites eat or are capable of are RACIST,,,,although probably not hateful beliefs we hold about what blacks or whites believe or do, when they reflect negative beliefs and actions, are usually hateful the label is really not the issue, the ACTIONS and POLICIES and the way we view each other, along with how those views affect our treatment and interaction with each other,, is the issue |
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Agreed, I definitely got the sense that he was trying to make an argument where there wasn't one, maybe kick up press for his book. Glen Beck got away with calling Obama a racist, so he thought he could get away with calling Stewart a Bigot. The problem is that Beck slings better bull. see Michael Richard's effort to be funny in his racist rant... sometimes it just ain't funny....when it is mean spirited... |
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I agree the blame game is futile but looking at the realities we live in and aknowledging how RACE plays a big part is quite different I am more interested in ATTEMPTING to be a society where an american is an american regardless of skin color or religious doctrine or gender if education were the only issue, Id be happy to discuss that, but the issue is the RESOURCES which make education available, the SUPPORT which educates children well enough to be able to compete those things are NOT equally available or instituted and even if one were to go to the base of the problem(economics), one cannot ignore how economic position in America is painfully and historically entertwined with RACE,,, Nope you have one thing right though, it is economics. Poor people don't get treated well. Poor school's don't offer the kind of small classes and proffered schooling environment for optimal learning. However, if a child really wants to succeed nothing can stop them not even their race. I understand that you feel it's a black thing but the only way to prove that is to look at each school and see that the black kids in each specific class are being treated differently and that is simply not the case. There was a time when what you are saying is absolutely correct but now that time has gone and passed. no, I really dont have to prove it happens in EVERY case , as my issue is that it happens DISPROPORTIONATELY amongst racial lines in general,,, the surgeon general warns that smoking may lead to cancer, now there are many OTHER ways that may lead to cancer and there are many smokers that never become ill with cancer, but that is not proof that in general, a smoker seems to have a greater risk of cancer than a non smoker,,, |
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racism 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: racial prejudice or discrimination http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism the spectrum of RACIST is as broad as the spectrum of LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE american history is directly connected to the social construct of race so it is impossible to grow up emersed in american culture and not fall somewhere on the continuum of the 'racist' line stereotypes we hold, like what blacks or whites eat or are capable of are RACIST,,,,although probably not hateful beliefs we hold about what blacks or whites believe or do, when they reflect negative beliefs and actions, are usually hateful the label is really not the issue, the ACTIONS and POLICIES and the way we view each other, along with how those views affect our treatment and interaction with each other,, is the issue I said my opinion. I know that the term has become more loose. To be honest I think it's a good thing now that I have had time to think about it. You see everyone is calling everyone else a racist so much that many people are actually becoming desensitized to the term. They no longer pay attention because so much name calling is going around. Soon when someone calls the race card people wont even pay attention. Used to be if you called someone a racist people payed attention and wanted to know what happened. Now people are starting to not care, for all they know it's just someone who doesn't support Obama, or someone who thinks he was not born here. LOL Racist is the word for Obama's term and "terrorist" was the word for bush's term. The word racist is losing its meaning and credibility. By that definition we are all racists. Because it's in human nature to profile our surroundings. It's a survival method, even animals recognize and use color patters to warn off potential enemy's or attract mates. |
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and it is that very 'human nature' that has to be kept in check when a majority have rule over a minority,,, that the majority does not feel free to only look after themself,,,
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racism 1: a belief that race is the [bold]primary[/bold] determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race By this definition, racism is just overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly stupid. I do believe there are genetic differences between individual people, between families, between tribes/clans, between regional ethnicities, and between continent-spanning groups. (People of african descent really are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia or lactose intolerant than people of european descent.) But to think that any group-trends tells you something about an individual is foolishness - as is overstating the influence of genetics vs environmental factors. ... it is impossible to grow up emersed in american culture and not fall somewhere on the continuum of the 'racist' line
If you are talking about a persons individual worldview - I've heard this claim often, and while I agree its mostly true I do not believe its absolutely true. What about people who grow up socially isolated? What about the mentally retarded? What about blind people who are schooled in blind schools with their own subculture? It just seems a bit absolutist to me, to say its true for every single person. stereotypes we hold, like what blacks or whites eat or are capable of are RACIST
By the definition you gave, I don't think its not necessarily at all racist to say that the culture of inner city blacks in [insert specific city name here] includes a prevalent attitude that its a 'good thing' to be on welfare and have more children to increase one's welfare. (Of course, there will also be other subcultures/communities of black people within that city who do *not* share that belief). We aren't talking about a quality thats inherent to a race, we're talking about a belief thats shared by a community of people. Now, if someone thinks that this (hypothetical?) cultural phenomena is tied to genetics, then they are being both stupid and racist. If they meet a black person and presume that black person shares that belief, they are being both stupid and racist. |
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