tell me how do you BAN a religion,, what will be the punishment for choosing to keep religious beliefs ? How can such a ban be executed without WILLFUL disregard to civil liberties?

there is no religion in america that supercedes the law of the LAND, including the religion of muslims,,,

they have to abide by the countries laws , there is no issue there, people just try to make their be one

IM sure plenty more 'christians' are breaking laws in THIS country than muslims,,,,

At no time did I state that I was for banning all religions. I did point out religion and government are intertwined and that it is not possible or feasible to have Complete separation of the two. The very method you suggest of outlawing just the one goes against the very Documents you say you support.

Support the ideas, documents and guides of the Founding Fathers and ALL RELIGIONS / BELIEFS ARE PROTECTED. The very thing you would want to see done is in of itself against what the Founding Fathers laid as a path for the nation.

Thats simple, just follow the way Islam does it. Do they have any regard for anyones civil liberties?? Are'nt they an "all or nothing" religion??

But you seem to follow that ideal. So now you want to keep an adherance to the documents the Founding Fathers drafted?? You cant have it both ways.
As long as there will never be complete separation of church and state, then you must allow Christianity to remain as the main religion of this country, as its always been. Islam does not overtake it in any way.

So you either ban them all, or quit trying.

Again... you cannot support the documents that created, guide, form the basis of your nation and want to go against them at the same time. Either you support them and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL and THERE IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION including Muslims / Islam or you do not support them and all men are not created equal and there is no freedom of religion.

You want the Constitution followed, the ideals of the Founding Fathers adhered to ... except for a select group which is completely against what you say you support!!

I'm not the one trying to have things both ways ... you on the other hand want the Constitution followed .... except for those parts which give freedoms to all.


It's really quite sad when a Canadian defends the Constitution and the rights it gives ALL citizens and ALL beliefs in the United States.

Have you even read the Quar-an???

How about this little concept I have played with among Poly Sci students and boy does this wreak havoc with your argument,


What if the very tenants of a religion conflict with our laws and our constitution? Does it still have a right to be practiced?

Example, what if I was into the HARD CORE dark Voodoo and held ritual human sacrifices? That violates several laws even if the sacrifices are willing participants, and most like 99% of them are not willing. Does this religion have a right to be practiced in the USA? short answer NO!

Now for Islam, unless you have read the Quar-an you have no idea what you are defending. That is the same as saying a known serial killer is misunderstood and should not be persecuted.

The Quar-an preaches violence and overthrow of Infidels (nonbelievers) governments, conquest and murder of infidels, subjugation of the population, and thought engineering. You either think the way they want or suffer and die.

Stop trying to play both sides of the fence on this issue. Read the Quar-an and do stop trying to play a Henry Kissinger on us. A religion that preaches violence and murder is abhorrent and has no place in America. So what many of them are peaceful, what happens when they act on their religious beliefs?

Do not compare Ideological Terrorists like the Front to Liberate Quebec or the IRA to religious terrorists like AL Quieda or the Taliban. it is the very tenants of their religion that drive their actions. Ideological Terrorists are not the same as Religious zealots. Hell, Greenpeace and Earth First ARE terrorists organizations and if Earth First are caught in Oregon it is rare if they make it to police custody alive. They are responsible for a lot of injury and death in the name of the ecology. I despise both organizations.

Well then my darlin we would all be living in China then wouldnt we? look how happy they are

your sure?
what do you base your sureness on?

Does Islam BAN christianity,,really? all the places those ONE BILLION muslims reside allow no christians?,,,,,

I guess churches in Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, Syria, and the UAE are there for DECORATIVE purposes.....

O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you".
(The Holy Quran, Surah 4. "The Women", verse 59)


or
But experts of the Islamic legal tradition say differently. The Islamic religion commands believers to obey the laws of the land they live in, even if it be one ruled by nonbelievers. Muslim jurists consider citizenship (or visa) to be a covenant (aqd) held between the citizen (or visa holder) and the state, one which guarantees safe passage/security (amaan) in exchange for certain obligations (such as obeying the laws of the land); covenants are considered sacredly binding in Islam. The Quran commands:

And fulfill every covenant. Verily, you will be held accountable with regard to the covenants. (Quran, 17:34)
The Quran condemns those who break covenants as not being true believers:

It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not. (Quran, 2:100)
The Islamic prophet Muhammad described the religious hypocrite as follows:

When he enters into a covenant, he proves treacherous. (Sahih al-Bukhari)

http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/major-nidal-hasan/


but hey, this is just the word of 'experts' in 'tradition' not to be taken as seriously as the islamic experts in these threads,,,

Like I said, if you are going to tolerate the hate and bigotry of Islam, then you must tolerate the hate and bigotry of Christianity too.

The Constitution does indeed provide for the equal allowance for all religions, but not one that its sole purpose is to take over and destroy the nation. The Constitution does not protect against treason or acts of war against the people of the USA...look it up for yourself!!

It seems as though several people in here only want Christianity removed or replaced by Islam in the U.S.
Not gonna happen.

We must put up with all the hateful, bigoted Christians as much as we must put up with the Islamics.

So trying to use the worthless arguement of "Separation of Church and State" is not working in the leftist liberals favor, its backfiring right in their faces.

They cant have it both ways, which is what they want. They want to exclude one particular religion, and allow another to dominate, and the Constitution does'nt work that way.

then why are they rioting and trying to take over every country they are in?

Why does one need to be an "expert" on Islam, when they make it perfectly clear, even to the most mundane people, what their intentions are??

That is Paraphrasing. Why not post the whole passage? Not just sentences. Christians do that with the bible to justify some of their half cocked reasoning too!

where are the muslim riots and attempts at taking over in america?
or canada?
or Britain?

or any other western country where muslims reside?

exactly why I as a christian understand how pieces of a book can be twisted out of context to support or condemn just about anything under the sun,,,,I use the book to support peace and tolerance, others to support hatred and bigotry,,, I see the same with the Quran and any other 'religious' writings,,

rudyard kiplings words come to mind,,,

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools

Check out Detroit and Dearborn, Mich. As well as Toronto, Can. and San Jose, Ca for starters.

hmm, not a peep, put in muslims riot and found NOTHING in any of those places,,,


probably a mass main stream media cover up,,,

hmm, not a peep, put in muslims riot and found NOTHING in any of those places,,,


probably a mass main stream media cover up,,,

Must be...since the media refused to cover it, just like they refused to cover the anti-tax crowd in NY.