Topic: Common Sense Health Care Reforms and Affordability Act
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Fri 11/06/09 06:30 PM
Thomas Jefferson said: "Without Health, there can be no Liberty or Freedom". drinker

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 11/06/09 06:32 PM







"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in. drinker




"start kickin' in?"

Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend..

get off your populist bent..

I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today..

populism results in stagnation.

self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community...

willing2's photo
Fri 11/06/09 06:35 PM

Thomas Jefferson said: "Without Health, there can be no Liberty or Freedom". drinker


You look pretty comfotable and can afford to pay my medical bills. Where can I send them so, you can pay them.
I'm sure there are others who you could foot the bill fot threm also.

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Fri 11/06/09 06:36 PM








"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in. drinker




"start kickin' in?"

Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend..

get off your populist bent..

I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today..

populism results in stagnation.

self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community...


Dream on Bro! laugh

How much are you making today? laugh

Do you even have a job? laugh


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Fri 11/06/09 06:40 PM


Thomas Jefferson said: "Without Health, there can be no Liberty or Freedom". drinker


You look pretty comfotable and can afford to pay my medical bills. Where can I send them so, you can pay them.
I'm sure there are others who you could foot the bill fot threm also.


You betcha I'm comfortable! I'm just kicking back on the beach slamming down the brewski's! drinker




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Fri 11/06/09 06:46 PM









"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in. drinker




"start kickin' in?"

Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend..

get off your populist bent..

I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today..

populism results in stagnation.

self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community...


Dream on Bro! laugh

How much are you making today? laugh

Do you even have a job? laugh




A) you've demonstrated very little to no brotherliness to me, so I ain't your bro.

B) neither what I do for a living nor how much I make is any of your bloody business.

now, if you're quite done with your ad hominem attacks, I'll continue to discuss the issue with you.

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Fri 11/06/09 06:50 PM










"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in. drinker




"start kickin' in?"

Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend..

get off your populist bent..

I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today..

populism results in stagnation.

self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community...


Dream on Bro! laugh

How much are you making today? laugh

Do you even have a job? laugh




A) you've demonstrated very little to no brotherliness to me, so I ain't your bro.

B) neither what I do for a living nor how much I make is any of your bloody business.

now, if you're quite done with your ad hominem attacks, I'll continue to discuss the issue with you.


Wow! Chill out Bro! drinker

I see you threw out the old "ad hominem attack"...too funny! laugh

Those were legitimate questions! slaphead

I take it you have no income, no job, and are an Ayn Rand fan.

Am I right? Just guessing. laugh

Shyredneck4X4's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:00 PM
Now I am for Health Care Reforms but do we need a 2000 page bill full of god knows what is in to to fix Heath Care?

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:02 PM











"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in. drinker




"start kickin' in?"

Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend..

get off your populist bent..

I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today..

populism results in stagnation.

self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community...


Dream on Bro! laugh

How much are you making today? laugh

Do you even have a job? laugh




A) you've demonstrated very little to no brotherliness to me, so I ain't your bro.

B) neither what I do for a living nor how much I make is any of your bloody business.

now, if you're quite done with your ad hominem attacks, I'll continue to discuss the issue with you.


Wow! Chill out Bro! drinker

I see you threw out the old "ad hominem attack"...too funny! laugh

Those were legitimate questions! slaphead

I take it you have no income, no job, and are an Ayn Rand fan.

Am I right? Just guessing. laugh


all I'll say is.. you assume an awful lot..

hellkitten54's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:07 PM








"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


"Comfortable"? Are you kidding me? By not dying because someone gets a needed medical treatment is "comfortable"?noway

So someone gets sick and needs to seek medical treatment, you think that most people do not deserve to get better just as you? You think you are better than the person next to you? I bet it must be hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday.


non-responsive.. you didn't answer the question


As much as it takes.

I am really not for any government in my life at all, but I am for all humans to be treated equally and fairly in getting the same medical treatment as anyone else.


raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:07 PM
Let's play a game. Shall we?

It's called fill in the blank


According to the Congressional Budget Office, the ___________ health care reforms would reduce premiums by up to 3 percent for Americans who get insurance through a large business, up to 8 percent for Americans without employer sponsored insurance, and up to 10 percent for those working for a small business (50 or fewer employees). CBO has not made a claim that the ____________ bill would lower premiums.

The ____________ bill will significantly reduce health care premiums, insures millions of Americans, guarantees those with pre-existing conditions have access to quality, affordable health care and does all of this without raising taxes, without spending $1 trillion we don’t have, without cutting Medicare and without putting some new Health Czar in between doctors and patients, which is what the _________ majority does in their government takeover bill.

Americans’ health care is too important and too complex to risk on _________ gamble. Instead, ____________ are promoting a step-by-step approach to comprehensive health care reform, and the first step is to make health insurance affordable for families, affordable for small businesses and affordable for America.

Finally, unlike the _________ plan that increases taxes almost immediately but delays health reforms for several years, the __________ plan will immediately begin to lower costs.

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:12 PM









"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


"Comfortable"? Are you kidding me? By not dying because someone gets a needed medical treatment is "comfortable"?noway

So someone gets sick and needs to seek medical treatment, you think that most people do not deserve to get better just as you? You think you are better than the person next to you? I bet it must be hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday.


non-responsive.. you didn't answer the question


As much as it takes.

I am really not for any government in my life at all, but I am for all humans to be treated equally and fairly in getting the same medical treatment as anyone else.




as much as it takes?

let me ask it this way:

how much is too much?

50%?

60%?

65%?

80%?

99%?

100%??

who decides?

me?

you?

some faceless, unaccoutable bureaucrat?

a czar?

a dictator?

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Fri 11/06/09 07:19 PM

Let's play a game. Shall we?

It's called fill in the blank


According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Democrat health care reforms would reduce premiums by up to 23 percent for Americans who get insurance through a large business, up to 18 percent for Americans without employer sponsored insurance, and up to 30 percent for those working for a small business (50 or fewer employees). CBO has not made a claim that the Republican bill would lower premiums at all.

The Democrat bill will significantly reduce health care premiums, insures millions of Americans, guarantees those with pre-existing conditions have access to quality, affordable health care and does all of this without raising taxes, without spending $1 and without cutting Medicare and without someone between doctors and patients.

Americans’ health care is too important to risk not taking action. Instead, Democrats are promoting a step-by-step approach to comprehensive health care reform, and the first step is to make health insurance affordable for families, affordable for small businesses and affordable for America.

Finally, unlike the Republican plan that increases taxes almost immediately but delays health reforms for several years and reaps big profits for greedy Insurance companies, the Democrat plan will immediately begin to lower costs.



I'll play! I love fill in the blank games! drinker

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 11/06/09 07:32 PM
Edited by AndrewAV on Fri 11/06/09 07:33 PM





"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!



so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


superb answer. I expected nothing less.

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Fri 11/06/09 07:42 PM
Edited by hellkitten54 on Fri 11/06/09 07:43 PM
Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!:wink:

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 11/06/09 08:53 PM

Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!:wink:


and that has what to do with the conversation at hand?


let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any?

I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist.

hellkitten54's photo
Fri 11/06/09 09:01 PM


Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!:wink:


and that has what to do with the conversation at hand?


let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any?

I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist.


You are already paying for illegal immigrants to have babies, and women on welfare to keep popping babies out. Really, whats the difference? This time, maybe it would make you feel better in knowing you helped a child with cancer, or a young man with MS? What's wrong with helping someone that really needs it?

I am fine without, as I have free healthcare thanks to local doctors who donate their time to help those of us who can't afford it. : ) I generously donate to the health clinic when I can!

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 11/06/09 09:05 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Fri 11/06/09 09:07 PM










"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!


so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?


"Comfortable"? Are you kidding me? By not dying because someone gets a needed medical treatment is "comfortable"?noway

So someone gets sick and needs to seek medical treatment, you think that most people do not deserve to get better just as you? You think you are better than the person next to you? I bet it must be hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday.


non-responsive.. you didn't answer the question


As much as it takes.

I am really not for any government in my life at all, but I am for all humans to be treated equally and fairly in getting the same medical treatment as anyone else.




as much as it takes?

let me ask it this way:

how much is too much?

50%?

60%?

65%?

80%?

99%?

100%??

who decides?

me?

you?

some faceless, unaccoutable bureaucrat?

a czar?

a dictator?



:smile: 100% and the doctor decides what healthcare procedures I need:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 11/06/09 09:06 PM
:smile: Nowhere in all of human history did healthcare lead to a dictatorship.:smile:That is a ridiculous idea.:smile:There is no connection whatsoever:smile:

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 11/06/09 09:07 PM
Edited by AndrewAV on Fri 11/06/09 09:08 PM



Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!:wink:


and that has what to do with the conversation at hand?


let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any?

I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist.


You are already paying for illegal immigrants to have babies, and women on welfare to keep popping babies out. Really, whats the difference? This time, maybe it would make you feel better in knowing you helped a child with cancer, or a young man with MS? What's wrong with helping someone that really needs it?

I am fine without, as I have free healthcare thanks to local doctors who donate their time to help those of us who can't afford it. : ) I generously donate to the health clinic when I can!




um, two wrongs =! a right. sorry. and no, it does not make me feel any better when I have to pay more taxes to help some kid with cancer or some old man with MS. I don't like paying for the illegals either but that is the biggest joke of an argument I've ever heard in support of nationalized healthcare.

The problem with helping someone who needs it is the inefficiency. I donate to St. Jude's and the LA children's hospital. That to me is a noble cause and the efficiency is far more than any government operation. I'd donate a hell of a lot more if the government wasn't taking 40% of my earnings.


and again, i ask, what the hell did the libertarian comment have to do with anything?