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Topic: Common Sense Health Care Reforms and Affordability Act
MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 08:28 PM


:smile:Hellkitten.:smile:You and everyone else that can not afford Healthcare deserve to have it.:smile:We hear you,and you are going to get itflowerforyouGuaranteed.:thumbsup: Because it is the right thing to do.:thumbsup:The other first world countries do it and we can do it even better.smile2 And we will:thumbsup:


Mirror, everyone will have it. I don't mind helping my fellow human being out and I'm sure there are tons that feel the same way as I do.

I am done with this topic, because I have said my peace and gonna go drink cheap beer.

I am for the people, not the politics!!
bigsmile Hellkitten. bigsmile I told you that you were going to have Healthcare and now you are going to get it:thumbsup:

hellkitten54's photo
Sat 11/07/09 09:04 PM



:smile:Hellkitten.:smile:You and everyone else that can not afford Healthcare deserve to have it.:smile:We hear you,and you are going to get itflowerforyouGuaranteed.:thumbsup: Because it is the right thing to do.:thumbsup:The other first world countries do it and we can do it even better.smile2 And we will:thumbsup:


Mirror, everyone will have it. I don't mind helping my fellow human being out and I'm sure there are tons that feel the same way as I do.

I am done with this topic, because I have said my peace and gonna go drink cheap beer.

I am for the people, not the politics!!
bigsmile Hellkitten. bigsmile I told you that you were going to have Healthcare and now you are going to get it:thumbsup:


I saw that in my breaking news from ABC in my email.:thumbsup:

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 11/07/09 09:18 PM






"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!



so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?



As sentient beings we all are entitled to help each other and do have a responsibility to do so...morally. Boo waa to those of you who think you are more special and deserving because your job offers insurance...
people die because they can not get care. That makes it a human issue...
grow a heart!!

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 10:37 PM







"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!



so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?



As sentient beings we all are entitled to help each other and do have a responsibility to do so...morally. Boo waa to those of you who think you are more special and deserving because your job offers insurance...
people die because they can not get care. That makes it a human issue...
grow a heart!!


I'm sorry...but with all the taxes I am forced to pay on the limited income I have( gas tax, sales tax, etc etc ad nauseum ), I just can't seem to " grow a heart " and be willing to hand over even MORE of the money I work my *** off to earn to give a few million people a handout.

Nobody handed me ANYTHING when I was damn near homeless because of hospital bills. I had to WORK my way out of debt.

The last couple of generations have been bad enough about thinking they are entitled to something without having worked for it..things are only going to get worse.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 11/07/09 10:50 PM








"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care."


Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat.


And this is my problem how?


Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off!



so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare.


I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up.


Not taking sides in this particular arguement..

but a question if you would so endulge me:

To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life?



As sentient beings we all are entitled to help each other and do have a responsibility to do so...morally. Boo waa to those of you who think you are more special and deserving because your job offers insurance...
people die because they can not get care. That makes it a human issue...
grow a heart!!


I'm sorry...but with all the taxes I am forced to pay on the limited income I have( gas tax, sales tax, etc etc ad nauseum ), I just can't seem to " grow a heart " and be willing to hand over even MORE of the money I work my *** off to earn to give a few million people a handout.

Nobody handed me ANYTHING when I was damn near homeless because of hospital bills. I had to WORK my way out of debt.

The last couple of generations have been bad enough about thinking they are entitled to something without having worked for it..things are only going to get worse.


JAG...I get it, your preaching to the choir. I raised my boys alone..no child support, no government help, sometimes even worked 2 jobs...and I have been paying taxes since I was 15...yes 15. I was kicked to the curb by my mother in 1975...I never got any damn handouts either...and I'm still busting my hump. Bottom line..I'd rather have my money help people than line the pockets of crooks in the insurance industry, big pharma...and well the doctors can live just fine on alittle less money.
All people deserve to get medical care...that is just a fact, wether we like it or not...
and yes..things are going to get worse..it won't be because of this health care reform. We all need to strap ourselves in for the ride it's gonna be a doozy.

Peace brother flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 10:55 PM
:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 10:57 PM
I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 10:59 PM
Edited by JustAGuy2112 on Sat 11/07/09 11:00 PM

:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:00 PM

I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.
:smile: Now your taxes are going to go for something that directly benefits the lives of Americans:smile:

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:01 PM
I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.




I know your not...flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:03 PM


:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup: Tonight,the goverment did something good for the American people.smile2 Not just another unneccessary war or money for the citizens of Israel or Iraq or Afghanistansmile2Something for OUR citizens:thumbsup:

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:03 PM


I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.
:smile: Now your taxes are going to go for something that directly benefits the lives of Americans:smile:


Yeah...and meanwhile....I'll make just enough to make SURE that I am not " eligible " to be one of the people that gets help.

Ya know what...no one has EVER given two hoots about my life.

Welcome to the complete and utter definition of the " Welfare State "

Obama promised " hope "....but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hope at this point.

Hell...I'm lucky to even have a job.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:06 PM



I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.
:smile: Now your taxes are going to go for something that directly benefits the lives of Americans:smile:


Yeah...and meanwhile....I'll make just enough to make SURE that I am not " eligible " to be one of the people that gets help.

Ya know what...no one has EVER given two hoots about my life.

Welcome to the complete and utter definition of the " Welfare State "

Obama promised " hope "....but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hope at this point.

Hell...I'm lucky to even have a job.
:thumbsup:You're a cool guy J.A.G. and you can be pessimistic if you want,but I choose to be an optimist.:thumbsup:

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:06 PM



:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup: Tonight,the goverment did something good for the American people.smile2 Not just another unneccessary war or money for the citizens of Israel or Iraq or Afghanistansmile2Something for OUR citizens:thumbsup:


Good for WHOM, Mirror???

I know for a FACT that it wasn't " good " for ME.

Having even more of my money taken in taxes is going to do EXACTLY NOTHING to improve MY life.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:08 PM




I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.
:smile: Now your taxes are going to go for something that directly benefits the lives of Americans:smile:


Yeah...and meanwhile....I'll make just enough to make SURE that I am not " eligible " to be one of the people that gets help.

Ya know what...no one has EVER given two hoots about my life.

Welcome to the complete and utter definition of the " Welfare State "

Obama promised " hope "....but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hope at this point.

Hell...I'm lucky to even have a job.
:thumbsup:You're a cool guy J.A.G. and you can be pessimistic if you want,but I choose to be an optimist.:thumbsup:


Mirror, the only thing I am " pessimistic " about is the fact that our government, time and time again, has proven itself completely inept.

If you want to think this time around is going to be any different....more power to you.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:09 PM




:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup: Tonight,the goverment did something good for the American people.smile2 Not just another unneccessary war or money for the citizens of Israel or Iraq or Afghanistansmile2Something for OUR citizens:thumbsup:


Good for WHOM, Mirror???

I know for a FACT that it wasn't " good " for ME.

Having even more of my money taken in taxes is going to do EXACTLY NOTHING to improve MY life.
:smile: Good for us all because now we will have Health Insurance regardless of our circumstances.:smile: But I'm probably not going to convince you of anything so you can believe what you choose.drinker Im going to take a break from discussing this thing and enjoy the taste of victory for a few hours at leastdrinks You have a good night my friend.:thumbsup:

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:09 PM

I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.




I know your not...flowerforyou


Thanks.

Sometimes it's god to know that people know that it's simply a case of me being passionate about some things. flowerforyou

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:10 PM





:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup: Tonight,the goverment did something good for the American people.smile2 Not just another unneccessary war or money for the citizens of Israel or Iraq or Afghanistansmile2Something for OUR citizens:thumbsup:


Good for WHOM, Mirror???

I know for a FACT that it wasn't " good " for ME.

Having even more of my money taken in taxes is going to do EXACTLY NOTHING to improve MY life.
:smile: Good for us all because now we will have Health Insurance regardless of our circumstances.:smile: But I'm probably not going to convince you of anything so you can believe what you choose.drinker Im going to take a break from discussing this thing and enjoy the taste of victory for a few hours at leastdrinks You have a good night my friend.:thumbsup:


Have a good night, mirror.

You know my posts are nothing personal...loldrinker

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:11 PM





I can totally relate to the human element. I am not a completely heartless bastard although some may disagree.

I just don't like the fact that, not only have they been taking 27 percent of my income off the top ( including state, federal, social sec which I am probably never gonna see ) but NOW that amount is going to go even higher.

Wanna do the human thing and cover everyone?? Fine. But first, they should cut out all the wasteful crap and lower my taxes a bit so it won't be such a big chunk of my income.

And now...the state I live in is talking about having to raise taxes again because so many people have moved out of the state that the tax revenue has gone way down.

I might as well just start handing my check over to the government.
:smile: Now your taxes are going to go for something that directly benefits the lives of Americans:smile:


Yeah...and meanwhile....I'll make just enough to make SURE that I am not " eligible " to be one of the people that gets help.

Ya know what...no one has EVER given two hoots about my life.

Welcome to the complete and utter definition of the " Welfare State "

Obama promised " hope "....but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hope at this point.

Hell...I'm lucky to even have a job.
:thumbsup:You're a cool guy J.A.G. and you can be pessimistic if you want,but I choose to be an optimist.:thumbsup:


Mirror, the only thing I am " pessimistic " about is the fact that our government, time and time again, has proven itself completely inept.

If you want to think this time around is going to be any different....more power to you.
:smile: I do not agree that the goverment has proven itself inept time and time again.:smile: That is an assumption that I do not agree with:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/07/09 11:12 PM






:smile: The future is only what we choose to make it:smile:


Ya know, Mirror.....

You are absolutely wonderful for spouting out one line platitudes.

But I have to wonder how many of those platitudes you are gonna be wanting to type out when you are giving 50% of your income ( and NOT by choice ) to those " less fortunate ".

Oh. And the proper phrasing of that line would have been..." The future is only what the government makes it. " You and I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup: Tonight,the goverment did something good for the American people.smile2 Not just another unneccessary war or money for the citizens of Israel or Iraq or Afghanistansmile2Something for OUR citizens:thumbsup:


Good for WHOM, Mirror???

I know for a FACT that it wasn't " good " for ME.

Having even more of my money taken in taxes is going to do EXACTLY NOTHING to improve MY life.
:smile: Good for us all because now we will have Health Insurance regardless of our circumstances.:smile: But I'm probably not going to convince you of anything so you can believe what you choose.drinker Im going to take a break from discussing this thing and enjoy the taste of victory for a few hours at leastdrinks You have a good night my friend.:thumbsup:


Have a good night, mirror.

You know my posts are nothing personal...loldrinker
:thumbsup: I know.:thumbsup: And mine arnt eitherdrinks

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