Topic: Going Rogue
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Wed 12/09/09 07:13 AM

Well, I was just doing what you did, right? Instead of answering questions, you turned the attention from Palin to Obama, didn't you?

Are you going to answer msharmony's question that she asked you twice? What did Palin do as Governor to make her so great?


I'll quote myself...


I never said that, so I'll leave it to you or the person you are reply to to answer that question.


Why should I do the research for a statement I never made? I honestly don't know what Sarah Palin did while she was Governor of Alaska. I was defending her resignation.

Now since you are so insistent that people answer questions presented to them...why don't you answer the questions I asked you?


Alaska has an interesting legal system. Anyone who wants can bring an ethics charge against the Governor and the state will prosecute the case. While the person who brings the case doesn't have to show up or pay a dime, the governor must cover her own legal expenses. Her family was near bankruptcy from legal fees due to all of the cases brought against her. She won all of them (one was even brought against her by a cartoon character), but the legal costs to the state (for the prosecution) and her family (for the defense) was stacking up quickly. She resigned so that she could avoid being a lame duck and so that she could spare the state and her family any more legal expenses. I have to be honest, that makes sense to me. Can you honestly say it doesn't make sense? Should she have cost her husband his business, so that she could continue being governor? Should she have continued to spend her days in court, instead of working? I think the left are taking an extremely partisan view on this, she did the most pragmatic action possible in the situation.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:26 AM


Well, I was just doing what you did, right? Instead of answering questions, you turned the attention from Palin to Obama, didn't you?

Are you going to answer msharmony's question that she asked you twice? What did Palin do as Governor to make her so great?


I'll quote myself...


I never said that, so I'll leave it to you or the person you are reply to to answer that question.


Why should I do the research for a statement I never made? I honestly don't know what Sarah Palin did while she was Governor of Alaska. I was defending her resignation.

Now since you are so insistent that people answer questions presented to them...why don't you answer the questions I asked you?


Alaska has an interesting legal system. Anyone who wants can bring an ethics charge against the Governor and the state will prosecute the case. While the person who brings the case doesn't have to show up or pay a dime, the governor must cover her own legal expenses. Her family was near bankruptcy from legal fees due to all of the cases brought against her. She won all of them (one was even brought against her by a cartoon character), but the legal costs to the state (for the prosecution) and her family (for the defense) was stacking up quickly. She resigned so that she could avoid being a lame duck and so that she could spare the state and her family any more legal expenses. I have to be honest, that makes sense to me. Can you honestly say it doesn't make sense? Should she have cost her husband his business, so that she could continue being governor? Should she have continued to spend her days in court, instead of working? I think the left are taking an extremely partisan view on this, she did the most pragmatic action possible in the situation.



My personal opinion is that she should have finished her job. YES. IT is the job she was elected to do.

Now, back to my open question, for ANYONE who posted that she was a great governor,,,What in Sarah Palins career made her a great governor?

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Wed 12/09/09 07:28 AM

yeah I think she was a bad choice for VP. She wasn't ready and they rushed it too much

like it or not she is likely to be the face of the GOP for the next twenty years or so. I think this book and all the publicity is just the beginning to a long campaign

I like Bobby Jindal better but she is gonna be around for awhile



Well, lets hope she gets a little more education about the executive and legislative branches before she runs again.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:33 AM


Well, I was just doing what you did, right? Instead of answering questions, you turned the attention from Palin to Obama, didn't you?

Are you going to answer msharmony's question that she asked you twice? What did Palin do as Governor to make her so great?


I'll quote myself...


I never said that, so I'll leave it to you or the person you are reply to to answer that question.


Why should I do the research for a statement I never made? I honestly don't know what Sarah Palin did while she was Governor of Alaska. I was defending her resignation.

Now since you are so insistent that people answer questions presented to them...why don't you answer the questions I asked you?


Alaska has an interesting legal system. Anyone who wants can bring an ethics charge against the Governor and the state will prosecute the case. While the person who brings the case doesn't have to show up or pay a dime, the governor must cover her own legal expenses. Her family was near bankruptcy from legal fees due to all of the cases brought against her. She won all of them (one was even brought against her by a cartoon character), but the legal costs to the state (for the prosecution) and her family (for the defense) was stacking up quickly. She resigned so that she could avoid being a lame duck and so that she could spare the state and her family any more legal expenses. I have to be honest, that makes sense to me. Can you honestly say it doesn't make sense? Should she have cost her husband his business, so that she could continue being governor? Should she have continued to spend her days in court, instead of working? I think the left are taking an extremely partisan view on this, she did the most pragmatic action possible in the situation.



I do not agree that she was correct in quitting her job. I do not agree that it was a good idea or made sense.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:37 AM
So it was wrong for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Joe Biden to step down from their jobs too, right?

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Wed 12/09/09 07:39 AM
Obviously they moved onto other political positions. She quit because she was a lame duck Governor and didn't feel she needed to continue. The situations are different, as you can see.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:42 AM

Obviously they moved onto other political positions. She quit because she was a lame duck Governor and didn't feel she needed to continue. The situations are different, as you can see.


I'm not sure what the difference is...in all four cases, they went on to do other jobs.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:44 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 12/09/09 07:45 AM

Obviously they moved onto other political positions. She quit because she was a lame duck Governor and didn't feel she needed to continue. The situations are different, as you can see.


Totally different, Clinton , Barack, and Biden were elected to a higher position,,something that would fall within their elected responsibilities. They didnt step DOWN, they were promoted UP.

But seriously, I know several Alaskan residents who felt she was an awful governor. I have heard their reasons. I am still waiting to read from someone the reasons that may support the idea that she was a "GREAT' governor.

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Wed 12/09/09 07:52 AM


Obviously they moved onto other political positions. She quit because she was a lame duck Governor and didn't feel she needed to continue. The situations are different, as you can see.


Totally different, Clinton , Barack, and Biden were elected to a higher position,,something that would fall within their elected responsibilities. They didnt step DOWN, they were promoted UP.

But seriously, I know several Alaskan residents who felt she was an awful governor. I have heard their reasons. I am still waiting to read from someone the reasons that may support the idea that she was a "GREAT' governor.


Yes, exactly. I don't see how someone cannot see the difference in her quitting and the others moving up to a new political position. She was not elected to another position.

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Wed 12/09/09 08:01 AM



Obviously they moved onto other political positions. She quit because she was a lame duck Governor and didn't feel she needed to continue. The situations are different, as you can see.


Totally different, Clinton , Barack, and Biden were elected to a higher position,,something that would fall within their elected responsibilities. They didnt step DOWN, they were promoted UP.

But seriously, I know several Alaskan residents who felt she was an awful governor. I have heard their reasons. I am still waiting to read from someone the reasons that may support the idea that she was a "GREAT' governor.


Yes, exactly. I don't see how someone cannot see the difference in her quitting and the others moving up to a new political position. She was not elected to another position.


Sweet, I totally agree

Some arguments are non arguments,, you know what I mean?I especially like proponents for Sarah who put down other people and other positions in order to explain hers,...

and Im still listening to crickets for a response to what made Palin a great governor...


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Wed 12/09/09 08:20 AM
So let me get this straight...

The right decision would have been to bankrupt her family, cost her husband his business, cost the state millions in legal fees and her being caught up in court all day and opposed by Democrats on every legislation?

That's the right decision?

rofl

Sorry guys, I think you are being very partisan on this. She couldn't accomplish anything more as the Governor, so she stepped down. It seems like the most reasonable thing to do in her situation. I think anything she did would be criticized by the left.

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Wed 12/09/09 08:23 AM

So let me get this straight...

The right decision would have been to bankrupt her family, cost her husband his business, cost the state millions in legal fees and her being caught up in court all day and opposed by Democrats on every legislation?

That's the right decision?

rofl

Sorry guys, I think you are being very partisan on this. She couldn't accomplish anything more as the Governor, so she stepped down. It seems like the most reasonable thing to do in her situation. I think anything she did would be criticized by the left.



what was her VP campaign costing? I think she should have done what she was elected to do. Not being partisan at all. It all comes with the territory, perhaps she should have made better choices than to be placed in the situation to have so many cases against her....but she was elected to serve a term and that should have been the focus if she were being a GREAT governor. If she were being jane average, as I believe she is,,she should have resigned,,which she did.

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Wed 12/09/09 08:27 AM


So let me get this straight...

The right decision would have been to bankrupt her family, cost her husband his business, cost the state millions in legal fees and her being caught up in court all day and opposed by Democrats on every legislation?

That's the right decision?

rofl

Sorry guys, I think you are being very partisan on this. She couldn't accomplish anything more as the Governor, so she stepped down. It seems like the most reasonable thing to do in her situation. I think anything she did would be criticized by the left.



what was her VP campaign costing? I think she should have done what she was elected to do. Not being partisan at all. It all comes with the territory, perhaps she should have made better choices than to be placed in the situation to have so many cases against her....but she was elected to serve a term and that should have been the focus if she were being a GREAT governor. If she were being jane average, as I believe she is,,she should have resigned,,which she did.


What did Obama's campaign cost? How about Hillary Clinton's campaign? How can you claim you aren't being partisan? How can you pretend to not be biased, when your every statement is dripping with bias?

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Wed 12/09/09 08:29 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 12/09/09 08:30 AM



So let me get this straight...

The right decision would have been to bankrupt her family, cost her husband his business, cost the state millions in legal fees and her being caught up in court all day and opposed by Democrats on every legislation?

That's the right decision?

rofl

Sorry guys, I think you are being very partisan on this. She couldn't accomplish anything more as the Governor, so she stepped down. It seems like the most reasonable thing to do in her situation. I think anything she did would be criticized by the left.



what was her VP campaign costing? I think she should have done what she was elected to do. Not being partisan at all. It all comes with the territory, perhaps she should have made better choices than to be placed in the situation to have so many cases against her....but she was elected to serve a term and that should have been the focus if she were being a GREAT governor. If she were being jane average, as I believe she is,,she should have resigned,,which she did.


What did Obama's campaign cost? How about Hillary Clinton's campaign? How can you claim you aren't being partisan? How can you pretend to not be biased, when your every statement is dripping with bias?


I am not being bias, the cost of her campaign is relevant because you brought up financial reasons for her resignation. Obama and resigned to assume other ELECTED responsibilities.

to be truthful, I dont care if she resigned, but I am still interested in my initial question.. While she was governor, what did she do that would classify her as GREAT?

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Wed 12/09/09 08:35 AM




So let me get this straight...

The right decision would have been to bankrupt her family, cost her husband his business, cost the state millions in legal fees and her being caught up in court all day and opposed by Democrats on every legislation?

That's the right decision?

rofl

Sorry guys, I think you are being very partisan on this. She couldn't accomplish anything more as the Governor, so she stepped down. It seems like the most reasonable thing to do in her situation. I think anything she did would be criticized by the left.



what was her VP campaign costing? I think she should have done what she was elected to do. Not being partisan at all. It all comes with the territory, perhaps she should have made better choices than to be placed in the situation to have so many cases against her....but she was elected to serve a term and that should have been the focus if she were being a GREAT governor. If she were being jane average, as I believe she is,,she should have resigned,,which she did.


What did Obama's campaign cost? How about Hillary Clinton's campaign? How can you claim you aren't being partisan? How can you pretend to not be biased, when your every statement is dripping with bias?


I am not being bias, the cost of her campaign is relevant because you brought up financial reasons for her resignation. Obama and resigned to assume other ELECTED responsibilities.

to be truthful, I dont care if she resigned, but I am still interested in my initial question.. While she was governor, what did she do that would classify her as GREAT?


Campaigns are not paid for by tax money, there is no connect.

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Wed 12/09/09 08:59 AM

Sarah Palin is something of the past . One just wonders how many politically blind there are in the US and elsewhere .
Buying such a book and supporting such a moron are things that show how mindless folks are brainwashed to kiss the butts of any celebrity .



Well, sometimes people want to see for themselves what all the hoopla is about. I dont think there is anything wrong with it, I just wouldnt buy it myself.

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Wed 12/09/09 10:46 AM






Fox said it's number one on Amazon sales but i work at Amazon and i haven't seen one single order go out the door yet. I could care less, if the neocons go ape sh** over a book in which most of the contents is her whining about Mccain's people then that means more work for me.


Well she is not a neocon, hence the disagreement between her and newt! She is a true conservative from what i can see and was a great governer for Alaska!
She was so good she resigned............


Yeah, I never understood the argument about how great she was as Governor, as she didn't bother to get through her entire term.


Alaska has an interesting legal system. Anyone who wants can bring an ethics charge against the Governor and the state will prosecute the case. While the person who brings the case doesn't have to show up or pay a dime, the governor must cover her own legal expenses. Her family was near bankruptcy from legal fees due to all of the cases brought against her. She won all of them (one was even brought against her by a cartoon character), but the legal costs to the state (for the prosecution) and her family (for the defense) was stacking up quickly. She resigned so that she could avoid being a lame duck and so that she could spare the state and her family any more legal expenses. I have to be honest, that makes sense to me. Can you honestly say it doesn't make sense? Should she have cost her husband his business, so that she could continue being governor? Should she have continued to spend her days in court, instead of working? I think the left are taking an extremely partisan view on this, she did the most pragmatic action possible in the situation.


Assuming her resignation was noble,,what in her service record made her such a great governor as previously posted?

Well I can tell you msharmony she got the pipeline built house bill 3001 that Alaskans benefit from and created wealth for the state of Alaska! One of the reasons she is so well liked in Alaska is because 30 years of asking for it Sahra Palin Got it done! House bill 4001 and 4002 she took surplus of funds because Alaska was just doing so damn well.... and gave money back to native alaskans from the money generated from alaska's natural resources as well as cut taxes on Gas to further help the working class! And as just an idea of what type of Governer she was she sold the old governer's jet which was costing tax payers $21,000.00 monthly "just the note on the jet" and said i dont need this fancy crap! Unlike nancy pelosi!
She was a very good Governer!

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Wed 12/09/09 10:52 AM
House bill 3001 alone, if thats all she ever got done for Alaska was a monumental accomplishment and will be remembered for that fondly by Alaskans for generations to come! That's a whole lot of money for Alaska!

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Wed 12/09/09 10:53 AM
All she did in her book was the mentally unhealthy task of blaming everyone else for everything that happened instead of taking her responsibility.

She just showed herself to be the dipshit we knew she was from the campaign.

She is one of the top reasons McCain lost.
The other one was he was too much like baby Bush.

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Wed 12/09/09 11:03 AM

All she did in her book was the mentally unhealthy task of blaming everyone else for everything that happened instead of taking her responsibility.

She just showed herself to be the dipshit we knew she was from the campaign.

She is one of the top reasons McCain lost.
The other one was he was too much like baby Bush.


Well the Poll numbers show that Palin Gave the ticket a bump up! So where is your evidence she was one of the main reasons they lost? As usual Dragoness you make another false statement! You have no evidence that she was one of the top reasons they lost and you will provide no proof! Just continue to make statements without merit or fact! I wish when people debated they would at least tell the truth!