protected sex means he again comfirmed he didnot want a child. Ina court of law in the usa. he may win not having to pay for child support. He used condom. He verbally told her he wanted no child.

didn'tcha ever see that Chapelle Show skit where he did the pre sex prenup?

the KOBE Bryant contract!?

HAHA

anyway yeah in his situation he should have every right to opt out. thats my opinion though. he made it clear to her he didn't want kids and used protection. thats all he can do aside from not saving sex at all.

and its unfair to say well he shouldn't be having sex because thats just bogus.

thats like saying "oh you got shin splints? well you shouldn't be running."

WTF

exactly.

the problem lies in the fact that a woman has the right to say she does or doesn't want the baby without consulting the man, but the man gets no say in whether he wants to provide for the baby. if a woman decides to have a child without the approval of the man the man gets forced to support that child. we as men can't force a woman to have or not have a baby if she doesn't want to. why is it that we can be forced to support a child that we may or may not want if a woman decides she wants to keep it?
next we'll be forcing the men who donate to sperm banks to support the children of women who acquire their sperm.


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I totally agree the guy needs his day in court. In fairness, however, we're hearing his side of the story. It may be NOW that he doesn't want the mistake and have to pay, and never told her. Birth control isn't a 100%, and even using multiple versions of BC simultaneously isn't 100%.

And if it's found out that she went against his wishes, he shouldn't have to pay child support in any way. Of course, there needs to be a total termination of his parental rights, with no access to the child till its 18.

I also believe in immediate and automatic paternity tests for babies when born, just to verify who the father is. I think it's unfair for a man to pay for a child, unless he's willing, and find out that it isn't his.

what is sad in all of this is who really pays the ultimate price and has no rights...the child.

Very true...whether it be a man's choice...or a woman's...

Thing is; there is a 100% proof way of pregnancy protection, besides abstinence. It is called the rythem method. If it is followed to the tee, it works. No drugs, no chemicals. I did it for ten years...the minute I messed up...I got pregs.

This unfortunately is a one way street. Many women have got pregnant on purpose, accidentally or otherwise. I do not believe the woman should be the say all do all in this situation.

If she decided to have a baby he says he doesn't want...then it should be on her. Now the child does have every right to know the father if he chooses to know it. The only time a parental right should be terminated is when there is abuse or mutual consent.

As for abortion (cant stand that thought) if she wants it and he doesn't...then he should get the opportunity to have the child when born. She should not have complete control over his wishes if he wants the child.

On the other hand; if he wants her to have an abortion and she doesn't...then he, I assume would have no problem signing his rights away. She would take sole responsibility for it. A woman or man made to have a child to raise or pay for under duress will of course be a bad parent with underlying resentment causing bad feelings for years, falling back on the child. This would cause unrest in said child.

The laws are screwed up in many ways.

Kat

yes there should be prenatal prenups. If a woman signs that and has a child without the mans permission then no child support

My Catholic parents used the Rhythm Method...I'm the eldest of SIX!

I agree with legal papers before screwing
If a guy didn't want the baby before he filled the hole

Sign papers!!!

Yea...but I don't know if pre-coital contracts are even considered legal...the guy in the OP was thrown out of court TWICE!

Well, they didnt follow it then.lol It works. You just have to make up your mind NOT to have sex when it isnt safe. There are times when you will get pregnant. And times when you cannot. It is simple. My own grandmother taught me and she had many kids...but she also told me...the guy has to be willing to go without when it is necessary. She said "if that sob(my grandpa) would have kept that thing in his pants".
That is how I got pregnant, he was a baby about it and oops...He wore my will down. I gave in knowing full well I could get that way. And did.

My mom also used the method.....she had no kids til "he" wore her down and she let him have it. Everytime she did that she got pregnant. She had two kids. I had two kids while using this method.(but giving in)
I forgot..I also used that way with my first husband...then got on birth control....that is when I got pregnant. One year of that and a baby (miscarried that one.)Then one night of giving (while on the method) in when I knew better gave me a baby boy... twice.

It is all up to whether you have enough control.

Kat

Hummmm just a little snip snip and the guy is good to go his choice not to have kids..............use the sources they have and they would not get stuck with child support why should it all be on the female not to get pregnant? I mean men do have avenues to take as well so take them. JMO

Thank God their rhythm was off!! is nice seeing you here.

I was an unwanted pregnancy.
To this day, when I go visit my Mom, she chases me around the house with a coat hanger.

I'm in this situation. We had consensual sex, she swore up and down that the last thing she wanted to do was have another kid. I wasn't ready for one either. The eight times we had it, I made sure to reconfirm our contract trusting her because she is my baby's mama already.

Then she gets pregnant and BAM she changes her mind. She began mimicking what society says: "it takes two to tango." "it's your fault for sticking your d*ck in me" "if you're not ready for kids, you shouldn't have f*cked me" "it's your baby you're going to be the father or else you'll really pay!" cliche after cliche after cliche.
Meanwhile, she doesn't have to worry about sh*t cuz society has her taken care of.

OMG! That joke is TERRIBLE! Hehehehe!

GSB...I think a lot of men feel your pain...I don't have a penis...but I feel it, too...


Edited to clarify: I feel yer pain...not yer penis...

I had no pre-nup.


How do you split up half of nothing?

I am so sorry honey that you had to go through this.

See, if I want more kids, I let it be known I am fixin' to get off my birth control.

Hummm let me tell ya Birth Control does not always work 100%