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Pantheism is interesting cause it allows us to study from old text. It was one of the points of view that was popular (and still is) while Jesus was teaching the relationship between himself and the father God. It's not hard to find the different names and meanings by studies in the original Greek, Hebrew so on. The key to all of this comes down to what one wishes to believe. You have to have faith to believe any text!! Many people pick a side to argue. That's not that hard to do. Bottom line is God doesn't need us to argue the truth. God is the truth!!! Yes, God is the WAY, the TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. GOD IS LOVE. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 06/28/09 10:07 PM
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My point is, if you, as a Christian believe the Bible, and you tell me that God is love, then I now have an understanding of what God is if I accept that. But then don't turn around and tell me that Jesus is God and Jesus was a man and his father was God. God is Love. God is not a father of a man. God is not a deity with a personality. God cannot both BE LOVE and also a Deity that gets jealous and angry and involved in the petty affairs of mankind on a tiny planet in a small galaxy in the third of the seven universes.  That's just silly. Not to mention illogical.
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God is love!!!!! There are many more references that support your description of God than some of the other views on this thread.
Not bad for you not being a Christian!!! Are you sure your not? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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God is love!!!!! There are many more references that support your description of God than some of the other views on this thread. Not bad for you not being a Christian!!! Are you sure your not? If the term 'Jesus' MEANS LOVE, then I MIGHT be a Christian. But if the term "Jesus" refers to a man claimed by the church to be the son of the God of Abraham, a deity, and a Christian is a person to buys that myth, then I am not a Christian. |
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Jesus is the American word but the original means "the word".
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Jesus is the American word but the original means "the word". "The Word" is the sound. It is the vibration of Life. Jesus was called "The Word made Flesh." I understand that sentiment too, as all manifestations of God in human form can be called "The word made flesh" because God expresses itself through that which loves. All things in existence, are an expression of LOVE. The word is the sound,(vibration or spirit)and the love is the light. |
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I find it hard to believe that God lived within either Hitler or Stalin - to name but a pair of apparent "Godless" individuals.
Eljay, why do you think you know enough to judge who is a so-called "godless" individual? I have known people who have called me that and they don't know what they are talking about. Just because I don't go to there church? That is so wrong. You are asking me to answer a question according to your understanding of the term God. That isn't me passing judgement - it's you passing judgement. I don't need to clarify for you what "God" means to me - so your question is disingenuous. Why don't you explain to me how Stalin - a reknown Atheist - was Godly. Clear me up on this. I don't know why other's call you "Godless". I know I didn't. If their reasoning was because you didn't attend services in the same building they do - mistakening that as a definition of "the church" - then I agree with you. That's just wrong. It doesn't matter where one "goes to church" - it matters what one believes. Here is my opinion. People say that God is Love. I am going to take that statement literally if you don't mind. Okay, God IS LOVE. THAT IS WHAT GOD IS. God is not a deity. God is not Jesus. GOD IS LOVE. That is the premise. Now that being the premise, anyone who has any love or compassions at all for anyone cannot be GODLESS. I don't think you can know whether or not Stalin or Hitler did not have any love or compassion at all for anyone. You can assume they did not, but you cannot know. Well... this premise that people have about God being love is one that is derived from the biblical definition of God. Since the Pantheistic God makes no claim of this sort, (the one that is "in all"), you are mixing your claims. Besides - who are these "people" who claim that God is love? Not that I disagree with the claim, it's just I tend to wonder about the claims of "people" - especially those who fit the generic "everyone". If you believe and read the Bible, then you have read "God is Love." It is IN YOUR HOLY BOOK. It is a complete statement. If you take it literally, then that is what it means. If you believe the Bible you have to believe the statement. How more plain can I state that? One of the MANY attributes of God. It does not singularly define God - especially by man's standards, as man's idea of love is purely subjective. Who are these people you ask? Christians. Christians who claim that the Bible is the gospel truth. The Bible says that God is Love. I understand and accept that statement, by choice. It makes sense to me. I have a right to agree with that and accept that premise. The bible also says that God is just - how does that reconcile with your thinking? Or do you just chose to accept the idea of god that best fits your personal preferences. In which case - is this God simply unique to you? That does not obligate me, a non Christian, to believe everything else that Christians believe in their complicated God concepts and religions. You're not making any sense. Either you believe what the bible says about God - or you reject it. It isn't like going to a salad bar where you only accept the things you like. Hardly a representative of the God who existed long before you were born. There is no "Pantheistic Deity" that make claims of any sort. If you think there is, then you don't understand the meaning of pantheism. Neither do I worship any "Pantheistic Deity." Pantheism is simply someone's way of describing a type of concept of God or spirituality. I do not claim to be a pantheist or follow any kind of pantheist religion. I was labeled that by a person who feels they have to label everyone. who doesn't understand the Pantheistic God? God is in all - all is God. A rather simplistic view, but an accurate paraphrase. And I'm not claiming you to be a pantheist - just your idea of God being "in all" as more consistant with a pantheistic understanding, then a Judeo/Christain one. I am simply a person who feels that LOVE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. And that GOD = LOVE. 
Its not the least bit complicated. As a biblical tennet - it states that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. That has been my point. If you are getting anything other than this from christains, I would question where they're getting their information from. |
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Edited by
Dan99
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Mon 06/29/09 09:09 PM
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It's a little funny (maybe sad) that we as people think that God could have a fault. I can see why we may need to justify ourseives but when we think that we can put this off on God. HHHHMMMMM We are the silly ones aren't we? He is the know it all that created us(some say), if he knows it all he would have known exactly how we'd be. He must have either done it on purpose, or he messed up and created us wrong and doesnt know it all at all. One way or another, God has faults, and is at fault. If he is perfect, then how we are and how we act, cannot be wrong. God and us are either all perfect, or all imperfect. Or maybe there is no god. Here we go again... 
Okay, it's obvious you don't believe in God from your remarks...how can you say He is imperfect in His making us. He loved us all in spite of that! Yes, He knew we would make mistakes. His decision was to make a man in His own image to have free will and choose to love His creator. He gave man the ability to think for himself and make decisions based on morals, God's teaching, etc. If God had wanted man to be perfect, He could have created that also, but then it wouldn't have been giving us free will or minds to think all on our own! He didn't want to create a carbon copy of Himself. He wanted to create a world of different people. He doesn't want us to choose the wrong things, but He still loves us in spite of those flaws.
I would rather you didnt 'here we go again' me, and then respond with wishy washy idealistic views like that. Did you read what i said? properly? God is supposed to be omnisomethingorother, and knows EVERYTHING. How can he know EVERYTHING, and have CREATED US, knowing exactly how we would act and be(even with this 'free will'), and then tell us we are wrong in the way we live. It doesnt make any sense. Maybe God is a woman! haha And if you wanna talk about how loving God is..... HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Tell that to all the people that have been stoned to death, or that should be stoned to death according to what YOU say are his words. The Old Testament(which by rights i havent read, i must admit) would have the best part of the worlds population wiped out if its laws were fully carried out. Thats so loving that. I know thats not Christianity as such, but its the same god. Evil bastard. I hope he does exist and one day i can tell him to his face. |
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It's a little funny (maybe sad) that we as people think that God could have a fault. I can see why we may need to justify ourseives but when we think that we can put this off on God. HHHHMMMMM We are the silly ones aren't we? He is the know it all that created us(some say), if he knows it all he would have known exactly how we'd be. He must have either done it on purpose, or he messed up and created us wrong and doesnt know it all at all. One way or another, God has faults, and is at fault. If he is perfect, then how we are and how we act, cannot be wrong. God and us are either all perfect, or all imperfect. Or maybe there is no god. Here we go again...
Okay, it's obvious you don't believe in God from your remarks...how can you say He is imperfect in His making us. He loved us all in spite of that! Yes, He knew we would make mistakes. His decision was to make a man in His own image to have free will and choose to love His creator. He gave man the ability to think for himself and make decisions based on morals, God's teaching, etc. If God had wanted man to be perfect, He could have created that also, but then it wouldn't have been giving us free will or minds to think all on our own! He didn't want to create a carbon copy of Himself. He wanted to create a world of different people. He doesn't want us to choose the wrong things, but He still loves us in spite of those flaws.
I would rather you didnt 'here we go again' me, and then respond with wishy washy idealistic views like that. Did you read what i said? properly? God is supposed to be omnisomethingorother, and knows EVERYTHING. How can he know EVERYTHING, and have CREATED US, knowing exactly how we would act and be(even with this 'free will'), and then tell us we are wrong in the way we live. It doesnt make any sense. Maybe God is a woman! haha And if you wanna talk about how loving God is..... HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Tell that to all the people that have been stoned to death, or that should be stoned to death according to what YOU say are his words. The Old Testament(which by rights i havent read, i must admit) would have the best part of the worlds population wiped out if its laws were fully carried out. Thats so loving that. I know thats not Christianity as such, but its the same god. Evil bastard. I hope he does exist and one day i can tell him to his face. You are a very sick individual, who has no respect for anyone else's views but his own... |
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It's a little funny (maybe sad) that we as people think that God could have a fault. I can see why we may need to justify ourseives but when we think that we can put this off on God. HHHHMMMMM We are the silly ones aren't we? He is the know it all that created us(some say), if he knows it all he would have known exactly how we'd be. He must have either done it on purpose, or he messed up and created us wrong and doesnt know it all at all. One way or another, God has faults, and is at fault. If he is perfect, then how we are and how we act, cannot be wrong. God and us are either all perfect, or all imperfect. Or maybe there is no god. Here we go again...
Okay, it's obvious you don't believe in God from your remarks...how can you say He is imperfect in His making us. He loved us all in spite of that! Yes, He knew we would make mistakes. His decision was to make a man in His own image to have free will and choose to love His creator. He gave man the ability to think for himself and make decisions based on morals, God's teaching, etc. If God had wanted man to be perfect, He could have created that also, but then it wouldn't have been giving us free will or minds to think all on our own! He didn't want to create a carbon copy of Himself. He wanted to create a world of different people. He doesn't want us to choose the wrong things, but He still loves us in spite of those flaws.
I would rather you didnt 'here we go again' me, and then respond with wishy washy idealistic views like that. Did you read what i said? properly? God is supposed to be omnisomethingorother, and knows EVERYTHING. How can he know EVERYTHING, and have CREATED US, knowing exactly how we would act and be(even with this 'free will'), and then tell us we are wrong in the way we live. It doesnt make any sense. Maybe God is a woman! haha And if you wanna talk about how loving God is..... HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Tell that to all the people that have been stoned to death, or that should be stoned to death according to what YOU say are his words. The Old Testament(which by rights i havent read, i must admit) would have the best part of the worlds population wiped out if its laws were fully carried out. Thats so loving that. I know thats not Christianity as such, but its the same god. Evil bastard. I hope he does exist and one day i can tell him to his face. You are a very sick individual, who has no respect for anyone else's views but his own... You are offended because its true. God is a sick individual, its all in the Old Testament. |
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If God is supposed to know everything, and is supposed to have created us, how is it he didnt know we would become sinners? Surely he must have created us to be sinners? If he made us what we are, then how is it possible that anything we do is a sin? We apparantly fell from grace with God from the get go. If God does exist and he did create us, then i blame him for anything we do wrong. Either that, or there is nothing that we can possibly do wrong in his eyes. YEAH! YOURE RIGHT!!!! LETS NAIL HIM TO A CROSS!!!!! YEAH!!!! CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!! |
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If God is supposed to know everything, and is supposed to have created us, how is it he didnt know we would become sinners? Surely he must have created us to be sinners? If he made us what we are, then how is it possible that anything we do is a sin? We apparantly fell from grace with God from the get go. If God does exist and he did create us, then i blame him for anything we do wrong. Either that, or there is nothing that we can possibly do wrong in his eyes. YEAH! YOURE RIGHT!!!! LETS NAIL HIM TO A CROSS!!!!! YEAH!!!! CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!! Nail god to a cross? hahaha I was just gonna stone him! An eye for an eye and all that. |
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Oh this is just sick and messed up...too bad the mods won't shut this thread down
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Tell me about it! |
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Tell me about it! 
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If God is supposed to know everything, and is supposed to have created us, how is it he didnt know we would become sinners? Surely he must have created us to be sinners? If he made us what we are, then how is it possible that anything we do is a sin? We apparantly fell from grace with God from the get go. If God does exist and he did create us, then i blame him for anything we do wrong. Either that, or there is nothing that we can possibly do wrong in his eyes. YEAH! YOURE RIGHT!!!! LETS NAIL HIM TO A CROSS!!!!! YEAH!!!! CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!! Nail god to a cross? hahaha I was just gonna stone him! An eye for an eye and all that. dudedudedudedudedude... dude. we already did that though. my bad. circle anyone? |
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Tell me about it!
Thanks, Mirror, you're very sweet!
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/29/09 10:19 PM
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Eljay said:
One of the MANY attributes of God. It does not singularly define God - especially by man's standards, as man's idea of love is purely subjective.
The Bible did not say that Love was an attribute of God, it said that the term "GOD" equals "Love." It said GOD IS LOVE. I take that LITERALLY. The bible also says that God is just - how does that reconcile with your thinking? Or do you just chose to accept the idea of god that best fits your personal preferences. In which case - is this God simply unique to you?
I did not say I believed THE BIBLE in its entirety. I said I believe and accept the statement from the Bible that GOD IS LOVE. If you want to claim that God is "just" you first must define LOVE and God, as the entire system of LIFE AND TRUTH, EXISTENCE AND KARMA. (Law of cause and effect or Law of attraction) In that way, yes, I think God is just. Love is not unique to me. God is love. You're not making any sense. Either you believe what the bible says about God - or you reject it. It isn't like going to a salad bar where you only accept the things you like. Hardly a representative of the God who existed long before you were born.
Yes it most certainly is like a salad bar. It is NOT an "either you believe it all or none of it" proposition for me because I evaluate all information. A given body of information will have some truth and some untruth within it. This is true of all bodies of information to include scripture of all kinds and compiled books like the Bible. who doesn't understand the Pantheistic God? God is in all - all is God. A rather simplistic view, but an accurate paraphrase. And I'm not claiming you to be a pantheist - just your idea of God being "in all" as more consistant with a pantheistic understanding, then a Judeo/Christain one.
You are the one who made the remark about how "my pantheistic God" made no such claims about "being love" or "being within" or whatever, so you did assume the pantheistic concept to be some sort of deity who could make such claims, but didn't.
As a biblical tennet - it states that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. That has been my point. If you are getting anything other than this from christains, I would question where they're getting their information from.
I know that. I understand that. And I understand what that means. If Jesus is God... ("I and the 'father' are one") and God is LOVE... then Jesus speaks for the father... which/who is LOVE. Therefore, LOVE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER, (LOVE) IS THROUGH THE PATH OF LOVE. LOVE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. No one can come unto Love except on the path (through)the way of love. That is the way I see it. When LOVE (God) manifested as Jesus, It spoke through him. Jesus represents Love. His character, whether you believe he really existed or not, symbolically represents LOVE AND GOD. |
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