Thank you, Pillowfight! I soooooo agree!!!!

As I have already explained (twice) you can't have it both ways.
Either it is all knowing, or we have a choice.

Why does everyone always think when you say that God is Omniscient and knows everything AND we can have free will that we are wrong in that thinking?? It IS both ways. We do have free will, YES, however, God already knows the decisions and choices we are going to make, and what will happen to us in our lives as a result of those decisions...if you don't believe me, think about this....

Have you ever met anyone in your life or had anything happen in your life that was extremely unexpected or somehow things just worked out in a way you couldn't have imagined, or maybe you ran into this one particular person in an elevator, etc. Anything like that.... ???

Think back on that....can you really chalk it all up to be a mere coincidence? I mean don't just look at that particular event that happened or that allowed you to meet that person...trace it back farther...what was the entire journey that got you or them or that particular situation to that point. There was a REASON it happened. God allowed things to work out in a particular way so that by the choices you made and/or they made along the way would bring you together or let that event work out the way it did.

THAT is what I mean. God is very much gives us free will, but he KNOWS the choices and decisions we are going to make. There's no either/or....it's both together.

Just because God know what your doing doesn't mean you have don't have free will. Its just mean that he know what you're going to do next. IF knows what you're going to do next and THEN does something to change it then it mean you don't have free will.

Touche, Cas! I hope you are well!

I didn't expect it to be the church YOU belong to. There are many churches that worship and follow Jesus that are not the church you belong to.

What do you mean get out of this forum? Who do you think your are to to police this forum? This is a general religion forum.

There are many religions that fall under that category, and they all believe in a God of some sort, and they don't all go by the Bible.

If you want to discuss a particular religion then I am sure you can find a particular forum for that.

Whatever you say in this forum is regarded as your opinion. If you want to discuss your opinion, go ahead.

You hate people? What God do you worship?

I dont know why we always have to blame someone. I try my best to take responsibility for my actions.

As for the suffering children, or tragedies, It makes me wonder after peoples experience in life why they have some idea that life is meant to have no pain.

It is in my belief that any suffering makes an imprint, and influence on the soul, or spirit. That pain too is a part of that journey, to bring us to a higher place within, and help us be stronger, and help another grow.

I am not under any impression that any individual in any culture doesnt have a chance to goto what is thought to be heaven.

And I dont believe that just because someone never had the chance to know my higher power, or God as I understand him, doesnt mean they are less worthy, of a blessed afterlife.

OH Boy forgive them father :)

God give us "Free Will" and perhaps ready the gospel of Paul who said it so nicely "it is not me but the sin that dwells withing me".

Wishing you all the best!

Actually, you're wrong in your presumption, because you are equating the mind of man with the mind of God. It is obvious that man does not know the outcome of his choices, an obvious fact demonstrating that man is not omniscient - so choice always remains with the will of man when he is faced with a decision. Man also does not exist beyond the present, and makes presumptions of the future by determining his subjective view of the past. Here again, limiting his being able to determine the obvious when faced with a choice.

God is not bound by any of this - however, this does not prevent him from knowing all of the choices that everyone has made through time - since he is not bound by it. Now - if you would like to say that God cannot predetermine the choices of man - that is another topic, and is unrelated to omniscience.

Perhaps that is simple, but it appears that you and I have a diffeent understanding of what "simple" means.

the bottom line is your premise lacks a foundation, as you haven't demonstrated how the free choice of man keeps God from knowing what the decisions "were". And your analogy of the sitcome is a weak one, as - until you view it, you have no idea whether or not the words being said were scripted or not, despite the fact that the show was filmed long before you are viewing it. As far as you can tell, unless someone tells you otherwiswe, every word of a sitcom is viewed as scripted because you "assume" it is. Reality will demonstrate otherwise.

I didn't expect it to be the church YOU belong to. There are many churches that worship and follow Jesus that are not the church you belong to.




Well - according to Jesus - he established ONE church. You either belong to that church - or you are not a christian. Plain and simple. It is not denominationaly driven, and it is not determined by the will or choice of man. One does not decide one day that they're a christain, and decide the next that they're not. That contradicts what the bible says, and aside from the bible - there is no christainity. Claiming to be a christain and rejecting the bible is a contradiction in terms.

Thank you father :) Well said Eljay

First of all to believe in Jesus as the Messiah does not mean that you have to change religions. It means that you are a Jewish person who believes in Jesus as an EXTENSION of your jewish faith. That Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah or the old covenant. There
are a lot of Jews like this. They are called Messianic Jews.

One of them is Sid Roth, a Messianic Jew. He has his own TV program throughout Canada and the United States. It is an AWESOME program. You need to go to his website at www.sidroth.com. There you can check out the program. It's called "It's Supernatural". It's God's supernatural activities that are disclosed because alot of people don't know what supernatural things GOD is doing on the earth, with HIS power.

There you can download the videos of his programs, of his bio, and to explain about being Messianic Jewish. All kinds of healings are taking place from his programs on that website. I myself got a healing when Sid Roth prayed for the TV audience. I was diagnosed with A-Vascular Necrosis which means the bones were dying at the knees. I was supposed to have a knee replacement. When he prayed for me I could stand up for the first time using my legs. I couldn't do that before for years. I can walk like I couldn't walk before - that limp is GONE. Anyway there's video to click on how to know God. Please check it out!!

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Sorry his website is at www.sidroth.org

Dan99 Please look at the end of pg 4 of the postings. It's
my first posting and I didn't do it right so I ended up putting the posting there!

Just look for the oops sign

Please refer to the other posting(s) for my reply.