Thats right. It came as a "thief in the night" thousands of years ago Thats why so many people dont see it.

And that is why they can't set a date for this (so called)"end".Because it already happened

Mirror,
I have neither proven your point for you nor am I "challenging" you. To take upon a challenge would be to embark upon a debate of the scriptures written in the Bible. That of which I will not, and can not do. My task is not to debate or even question what has been written but rather, as a Christian, to deliver its message to others and to teach those who will listen. Not to fight amongst non-believers or even other Christians who have not yet comprehended the true meaning and word of the gospel yet. Not even I will claim to know God's ultimate plan.
But I will say that Jesus will come again. We tore down His temple and He rebuilt it as He said He would in three days. And it has been promised that He will yet come again. Because you are human, as we all are, you are confined and bound to time restrictions. God has no such limitations. His time is eternal. Thus, "soon" to you and "soon" to God will naturally have very different meanings. To laugh at and scrutinize what 4christman said in reference to God's perception of time was--harsh--on your part, I believe. What he said is biblically true and accurate. See 2 Peter 3:8
"But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day."

And again, please do not misconstrue my words as being argumentative. I am simply explaining what is biblically true. I believe that you should consider reading the book of Revelation when discussing intelligently the end days, along with your lack of faith that Jesus will return again. In holding with your misconception that Jesus did His part and will not be coming back, rather than examining the whole book of Revelation, let us simply explore a few verses from chapter 19, shall we?

"19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

In these next six verses, (11-16) we are swept up into the triumphal entourage of redeemed saints in the heavenly procession with the King of Kings. Jesus Christ comes to make war on Satan, the Antichrist, the False Prophet, and the kings of the earth. He rides on a white horse and has on His head "many crowns." When this war with Satan is over, He becomes the absolute ruler of the earth.

Notice several things about the description of our Lord's return. First, it will be public, obvious, and not restricted to a small group. He says His coming will be like lightning that flashes from the east to the west. Everybody will see it, and there will be no hiding it. Second, He says it will occur "immediately after" the Great Tribulation. Third, His return will be accompanied by "mourning" on the part of "all the tribes of the earth" - the mourning of sadness on the part of the Jewish nation, that it so long rejected Christ as Messiah, as well as the mourning of despair on the part of the ungodly, who reject Him as King even as He appears in the sky.

Now, just as is seen in chapter four, a door opened in heaven. This opening of heaven is not to go in, but is the opening for Jesus and His followers to come out. The door to heaven has never been closed for the Christians to enter in. The "horse" symbolizes war, and the fact that it is "white", symbolizes victory. White, also, symbolizes holiness and righteousness. This tells us that this war is a holy war, and Jesus is victorious.

Just the fact that "Faithful and True" are capitalized, lets us know that this figure is God the Son who has been made Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus is the Judge. He is always faithful to His promises and what He speaks is always true.

This white horse is not that of 6:2. Here the True Messiah returns in victorious conquest. He is Faithful to His Word and promises. He will fulfill the twofold role of judge and warrior. His judgment of the earth will be totally righteous (Rev. 16 v.5-7; 19 v.2; Psalms 96: v.13).

We are assured that His judgments are right. He has been sitting at the Right Hand of the Father in heaven, but now He is about to set up His kingdom here on the earth.

The most detailed description of the Second Coming was given by our Lord Himself in Matthew 24: "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matt. 24 v.27)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matt. 24 v. 29-31)

And let us continue...

19:12 "His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

"Eyes" show wisdom, and these, like "flames of fire" can see right into the soul of man.

This "fire" here speaks of purity and judgment. The crowns indicate total sovereignty and authority. The secret name expresses the mystery and greatness of the person of Christ.

There was a secret name on the stone underneath the breastplate of the high priest worn into the Holy of Holies. This was the unspeakable name of God. This name here is similar to that name. It is a name that no one knew except our Lord.

19:13 "And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."

This is not representative of the blood Jesus shed on the cross, but is a picture of judgment, not redemption. This is the blood of his slaughtered enemies. This is not His first battle, but His last. He has fought for His people throughout redemptive history and His "war clothes" bear those stains. The blood represents the judgment of Christ's enemies.

Given in the Scriptures the word of God took on the form of flesh and dwelt among us. In the book of John, the first chapter, we read about the Word of God.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jump down to John chapter 1 verse 14. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

We also see here, that this Word (Jesus) was, is, and always will be God the Word.

19:14 "And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

This is speaking of the Battle of Armageddon.

The armies may be (1) angels (Zech. 14: v.5; Matt. 26: v.53); (2) the raptured church; or (3) all the inhabitants of the heavenly Jerusalem: angels, the church, and spirits of Old Testament and Tribulation saints (Heb. 12: verses 22-24). They will share in Christ's victory and glory (Roman 8: verses 18 and 19). The linen symbolizes righteousness (v.8)

Here we see the believers in the Lord Jesus Christ following, these are the called, chosen, redeemed, the bride. The whole army is on "white horses". They have white horses, because they have overcome the devil. They are washed in the blood of the Lamb. They have on pure white linen for the righteousness of Christ. This army has been in heaven waiting for the wrath of God, on the ungodly, to be over.

19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

The sword from His mouth depicts judgment through His spoken Word. The Bible says that it is so sharp that it can divide the soul and spirit.
Hebrews 4: v.12 "For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Words relating to wrath and anger are found 15 times in Revelation. We see how powerful this Word is. This "rod of iron" that He is to rule with just means that His law is absolute and unwavering. He never changes.

When we see this "treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath", This wrath of God is for three and a half years of Tribulation, then after those, another three and a half years that is called the Great Tribulation, making a total of seven years of God's Judgment and Wrath.

19:16 "And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS: Christ has universal sovereignty. This expresses His sovereign triumph over all foes and His absolute rule in His soon to be established Kingdom.

There are approximately ninety-seven names throughout the Bible that the personage that we know as Jesus is used. The name He was called at the time had to do with the circumstance at hand. Here He is coming to the earth to take over as Supreme Ruler, so He is called by the name "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS".


Everything written here and more is the Truth. This is what I believe. And though it is true that not everyone believes as I do, it is also true that my beliefs do not require them to do so.

Yes,Jesus was,and still is triumphantAll of these scriptures refer to events that have already happened.


Yes, Jesus was (and is)righteous. And HE is faithful and true. Yes, the Roman Emperor(Antichrist) wore many crowns. He ruled many lands. Yes,the Roman Empire had false prophets. The "temple" refers to the body of Jesus that was killed yet was "rebuilt" as the vast religion that is called by his name(Christianity). Yes, the evil Roman Empire was destroyed by tribulation and armageddon.It says so in the history booksYes, Christ's Kingdom was established(Christianity)Yes, the martrys who died in the name of Christ live on (in their efforts to spread his message). Thats how you heard of him. Thats how his message survived for 2000 years. Yes, Jesus is "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" I dont see anything here that disproves a word of what I have said.

But Christ has not returned yet mirror, when he does, the last trump, we will be in spiritual bodies and not flesh ones at that time

He returned from the dead.You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. Christ is an idea. And a very powerful one. He has done more to help people around the world for thousands of years as an idea than he ever could in a physical body. We can all change the world. Jesus proved it. Even death cannot stop you. Yes, I agree ,you can live on in spirit (idea)just as Jesus does. Nothing is more powerful than an idea. Not even death can stop an idea.

Never give up hope. No matter who you are, or what you have done, you can change yourself, and you can change the world. Even death cannot stop you. One person can make a difference. You are not bound to a destiny. The choice is yours. Jesus proved that this was possible. He could have made other choices. He could have fled Israel/Palestine, as so many other influential men of his times had done when they were threatened by the authorities. But he decided to lay down his life because he loves his fellow man more than he loved his own life. He showed us the way. The future is ours to make. You can forgive and be forgiven. Humanity can forgive and be forgiven.Its never the end. Its never too late. It only takes one person change the world. We can be saved

Do not give up hope. Christians can save the world. One person can make a difference. We can be saved. This sinful world can be saved. We can change. We can be forgiven. God gave us free will. Therefore, there is no destiny except what we make it. WE CAN SAVE THE WORLD

We cannot save the world because with each passing year it is continually getting worse. Eventually the human race will destroy the world, but before that happens, Jesus Christ will come again, the old earth will be destroyed and the new earth and heaven will exist. The bodies that we now live in will be replaced with our new ones, we will live in peace, full of love, in a perfect paradise. Amen!

Indeed we are.....

So,basically you are saying that Jesus died for nothing Apparently Jesus didn't feel that way when he died for all of us. This world is no worse than it has ever been, and yes humans may destroy this world eventually,but it will be because of human choices and actions and not "God"s will.

Jesus died because he loved us and had hope for us. Not because he gave up on us.

We cannot just keep on going on doing whatever we want to do, and not taking responsibility for our actions, and expecting "Superman" to come flying down out of the sky and "save the world". The human race needs to grow up and take responsibility for our choices."God" helps those that help themselves.We have the capacity to forgive and be forgiven. Each and every one of us. Jesus said so. Jesus showed us the way to make this world a better place.

Praying is fine but action is better."God" helps those that help themselves.

Ecclesiastes 1:9: That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 3:15

That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

What that means, is what has passed will return. So that rebuts your theory, Mirror..in my estimation.

Depending on which version of the Holy Bible, you use, the wording may be slightly different, but it means what it means.

Might i suggest a Strom's Concordance ? This Concordance breaks down every passage, and how it could be interpreted in both the Greek and Hebrew language..

Simply put, What was will be again..That is my interpretation.

Interesting Mark. Thank you. I will check that out.

Well, actually thats what I am saying. What has happened before will happen again.There is nothing new under the sun. What I meant by posting that scripture was that everything that is happening now has happened before.Nothing is any better or worse than it has ever been before or will be in the future(unless we change it). People said "the end was near" in the past (and they turned out to be wrong),and they say it now (and they will be wrong again).

The end of the world??? good Question.
How about the mayan Calander Dec ??, 2012??
Whats going to happen?
Are aliens Hostel?
Cuz i believe!
So many, many Questions that can't be explain.
Live life to the fullest. And love the one you have.
Cuz in the end you won't have anything left but the ppl around you.

The track record on "end of the world" predictions (by ANY religion or other source)isn't very good.Its always (100%)turned out to be wrong in the past.So its a safe bet that it will be wrong in the future

It's quite expensive, but a great tool. The most renowned Bible scholars, and study groups rely on the Strom's concordance. There is also the Quatrains of Nostradamus, one could spend a lifetime..and never really know when the end time will come.

My dad researched the Bible quite a bit. He had more knowledge concerning Parables..In other words, how one passage relates to others, how one event must occur, before another can..interesting stuff.