Thank you yellowrose and it is also mentioned many other times

my laptop isnt cooperating with me. i was lucky to post that lol

That my dear miles s part of why God came in the flesh to us

I respect you miles because you are so right on so much except Jesus. We are not worshipping 2 idols and 1 God. The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are one in the same...

I live in reality and do quiet well thank you. I have lived my life non religious for most of my life and still managed to do many great deeds in this world. I have helped orphanages, saved lives, and worked hard to give hope to those who have nothing. While most of you behind the computer screen talk about hell and what you believe to be the truth of a book that was written by men at the time 2000 years ago, I was giving first aid kits, food, and water to people who have nothing in war strucken, diseased filled poor countries. Yes the kind of people that live in the harshest environments. Children digging in landfills for food in Thailand or a group of Tanzanian children fighting for a bowl of rice. I have traveled through my job in over 27 countries and experienced many belief systems, I come to one conclusion that "evil" and "hell" only exist in the minds of those who belief it to be true. It is a fear tactic to control the masses. Is there bad in this world. Yes people do bad things. Many of them are punished for their actions and many do learn their lessons afterwords. If one does a bad action it isn't because they are possessed by a evil soul, it is because they have been living in an environment they didn't know better, or have been influenced in peer pressure at the time, or greed and power was in their interests. They will not go to a hell. Give me a break. Have you considered how many people have done mistakes in their lives?

Christianity and its denominations will suffer great losses as time goes by as many people will have the opportunity to educate themselves in the history it provided. I cannot even think of the many torture technics they used on those who didn't believe in the way they did. I mourn for the loss of innocent people in the name of religion for they were told they were witches, barbarians, or embezzles just because they didn't grow up in the same culture or lifestyle as the religion wants everyone to do.

May the time of mediterrenean religions truly become a mythology for the sake of peace and happiness for all people around the world.

and may the time for "humanatarian efforts truly excel to great deeds"

and this of course is my opinion that many share with me and I am aware that a many don't agree with my views, but what I can back up is that my efforts are known to many people around the world for I still get letters today thanking me for doing what I could at the moment, which meant everything to a family who truly has nothing to offer but a sincere "thankyou" for teaching them to think for themselves and not be blinded by the lessons of religion telling them how to think, act, fear, or be in this world.

One thing I have learned that in general we are people who want to do good regardless of what religion or spiritual path we take. If we don't do good we fear the prospect of punishment and many learn their lessons afterwords.

I have also learned after traveling to so many countries in my lifetime that one can live a good life without religion, as many do it everyday, and raise beautiful families with great morales and standards.

Those who lightheartingly throw in religious quotes saying how we should live is degrading to those who live good lives already. One is then told they live in a fantasy world, or are not realistic, and later they are then ridiculed and named things such as low life, embezzle, infidel, etc.

There are many who say they are not fundamentalists, but truly are for they lightheartingly tell you so because you don't have the same view as theirs.

This is why America in general is one of the racist countries in the world that sheds so much bigotry and hatred amongst their own kind at all times.

It is truly shameful for the world would love to see this country as an example that all races and creeds can get along with each other without resorting to put them down just because they believe in 20 gods, 1 god, or no god at all.

How about just believing in the human race and that we can help each other regardless in what religion, spiritual path, race, creed, or nationality.

Give it a try and maybe you will learn something besides eating a big mac at mcdonald's and watching the simpson's everyday.

I am not a christian, catholic, wicca, buddhist, taoist, atheist, or any other religion that one claims themselves to be

I am a humanatarian that finds all life valuable for if you were drowning in the ocean, I will not ask first what you believe in to save your life, I will just save your life because your life is as important as mine.

This is the mentality we should be using and not judging everyone if they will make it to a hell or heaven or what have you.

What will I hear next?

that a man who lived a honest life who didn't believe in Jesus as their savior will go to hell

I mean come on

So this atheist who saved a christian's life and lives a great life without harming others, but just didn't believe in the biblical god will go to a hell because he is now suddenly evil for not believing Jesus as his savior.

or even if he did a mistake in his life like stabbing someone, but paid his dues in jail, will go to hell because he doesn't believe in the biblical god?

It is truly sad that one believes in such nonsense.

Well what it is worth believe in what you want, but I wouldn't want to hang out with people who always judge you on how you live, what you do, and how you are.

I would rather live with those who accept me for who I am.

I resent that Simpsons comment. I only watch it every OTHER day.

you didn't watch today????? and you call yourself a fan...pfft

Doing humanitarian things is a wonderful thing. I too have given years of my life helping others as a volunteer at hospitals, nursing homes, homeless shelters, etc. I have done a lot of traveling as well since working for a major airline.
I have also been a victim of violent rape and almost killed by evil men. Evil does exist and deserves to be punished to those who are not remorseful.
It is not fear of Hell but love of good and of God our creator that motivates me to speak of the living God and his love not some staunchy religious motive. The word fear in the bible is translated to awe or reverance. Not fear or terror.

I am sorry for your undesirable experiences as I have treated as a Red Cross Worker for over 15 years many woman with aids who where rape victims.

In the end just remember that there are a great many religions that are wonderful and peaceful that show many ways to create inner peace and happiness. There are also great people who are just simple naturlists, atheists, agnostics, or simply spiritual people who live peacefully with one another.

Also remember even though they don't believe in a hell or a heaven doesn't mean they are living in a fantasy world. They just don't believe in a mediterrenean religion that is all. This doesn't mean they don't live in reality for one must first get to know the person before judging so.

If the bible works for your sanity and well being to create inner happiness then so be it as it is probably what you enjoy best. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you don't prostelyze it as the only belief system to believe in. This is my opinion of course.

May you live the remainder of your life in peace and harmony and continue to do some humanatarian work in various fields as I believe everyone should do this when they can.

"imageoriagirl" a perfect creatures in flesh wouldn't lack omnipotency just because they were in the flesh ..Jesus couldn't even carry the cross he would be nailed to ..which clearly proves he wasn't omnipotent therefore not a God and therefore not perfect

"yellowrose" ..Jesus was speaking in association with the other two not that they were one ..it's like if Jesus was with peter and judas and said come unto us..it refers to them being united but not the same person

no where in the bible will you find Jesus mentioning the word Trinity ..it's something someone made up

I appreciate your kindness smiless. I too am willing to help and befriend anyone without prejudice as well. I really do not mean to come off as prostelyzing I am just simply stating truth as I see it.
Everyone will know the truth soon enough. I would never judge you or force you to listen to me. I just speak the truth as I see it. I apologize for saying it is a fantasy world you live in to ignore Hell as though it doesn't exist. It is your perogative but what do ou think happens to someone who rapes and kills without remorse? Do you think they deserve no punishment? Just wondering...

the trinity refers to the father, son and holy spirit

take it for what you will

The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the other persons of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I", and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God. There are three individual subsistences, or persons. The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence. The word "person" denotes individuality and self awareness. The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8). Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim. Trinitarianism is monotheistic by definition and those who claim it is polytheistic demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it really is.

Main Entry: Trin·i·ty
Pronunciation: \ˈtri-nə-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English trinite, from Anglo-French trinité, from Late Latin trinitat-, trinitas state of being threefold, from Latin trinus threefold
Date: 13th century
1: the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma
2not capitalized : a group of three closely related persons or things
3: the Sunday after Whitsunday observed as a feast in honor of the Trinity

I don't think it is in my hands to decide, yet I also believe that forgiving someone is something very brave to do and only few can do.


Look at another situation of mine. I was raised in a orphanage and never knew who my mother or father was until at a late age of 29 years old when I luckily found them with a private investigator who had the patience to find them through the internet. And when I visited them seperately for they are divorced they both didn't want anything to do with me.

I had to think about this for a long time about what I did wrong to have not my blood love me? In the end I took a passage out of the bible that showed the history of how Jesus was thrown rocks, cursed at, hated for his belief, and even scolded for challenging the Romans and the Jews belief systems. For that is what he did. The Roman Emperor Constatine believed he was a God and didn't like that Jesus got all the attention and Jesus a Jew did questioned the Torah, which made the Rabbi's at the time nervous.

He as you know was then nailed on a cross and stabbed with a spear to ensure his death, yet he ressurrected and came back alive.

What makes the story interesting is that he didn't seek revenge, he didn't wreak havoc amongst those who hurted him, and he didn't destroy anybodies life.

In the end what did Jesus do? He forgave everyone!

Now if this story is true well you can debate on it. Many will say it is false and others say it is true.

but for me personally the morale of the story is that he found the way to forgive those who treated him wrong.

That takes patience, bravery, and much wisdom in my opinion to do.

Now I forgive my parents for not taking care of me and not wanting anything to do with me. Not many understand this or even find it logical, yet I feel good with my decision.

I can also forgive those who have done wrong, for I don't believe two wrongs make one right either.

Now concerning a punishment. Well it is only worth it if the person who did wrong learns from his mistake with the punishment he or she is given. What use is a punishment if the person is worst off then before.

I don't believe eternal hell is a punishment that allows the person who did wrong a lesson we should follow. That is my belief, yet again I don't believe in a hell either.

I also know that we are humans and we all do mistakes in life. It is part of the process of life anyway. We are not perfect and we can learn from our mistakes even if they are terrible ones.


but how interesting it is for a buddhist believes if one doesn't follow the eight paths then in your next life you will become something less like a worm or a rat for a living instead of a human.

They believe that if you have done great wrong like rape or murder you will ressurrect into a animal of some sort not having the privlige of a human mind.

This may sound like a fantasy or unrealistic to you, but for almost 400 million or more people this is something they truly believe in.

Who are we to say they are wrong? I surely won't as I am honest with myself and with others that "we don't really know what will happen to us when we pass away."

Yet again this is an opinion that some share with me.

"imageorgiagirl" ...right..it's a term that was made up by someone other than Jesus or God