So if Hitler repented before he died, he was forgiven and now lives in your heaven? What about Ted Bundy, maybe he repented also.

I have news for you. You are wrong. I grew up in the church and when I was teenager, I became very active in the church. When I was seventeen, I was baptized. I went on to do work in youth ministry while attending a bible college to be a youth pastor. I now consider myself to be an atheist. Apparently people can turn away from their relationship with god.

The current location of the Earth is only a short moment in time of the Earth's life. It will eventually be closer to sun and incapable of life as we know it. There is no magical design to make it so. It is possible that life could have existed on Mars or Venus long ago.

Posting this again for anyone new that comes along.


Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors. Charles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882. Darwin was a member of the Royal Geographical SocietyHis Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge. His academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow. His best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection. He won several major awards in his lifetime. The Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.One of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.He was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851

MirrorMirror,

None of your statements will the creationists ever understand.

talking to them is like clapping with one hand!

Makes you feel like you're caught in a mosh!

umm let me see, george bush? oh wait u said could do even one,nope.

ThomasJB.....you are the reason I am digging up this thread.....

because For some reason, you are on my heart tonight.

ThomasJB...you wrote earlier ....and I quote:

"...I have news for you. You are wrong. I GREW UP IN THE CHURCH
and when I was teenager, I BECAME VERY ACTIVE IN THE CHURCH.
When I was seventeen, I WAS BAPTISED.
I went on to do WORK IN YOUTH MINISTRY ,while ATTENDING A BIBLE COLLEGE to be a YOUTH PASTOR.
I now consider myself to be an atheist. Apparently people can turn away from their RELATIONSHIP with god..."

.......................

Ok ThomasJB....

let's take a look at what you wrote here now:

You GREW UP IN THE CHURCH.

You BECAME VERY ACTIVE IN THE CHURCH.

You WERE BAPTISED.

You even WORKED IN YOUTH MINISTRY ,

while ATTENDING A BIBLE COLLEGE to be a YOUTH PASTOR.


Now Thomas...instead of my telling you ,

I will allow you to tell us instead....

what is MISSING here in this Picture.

I MARRIED ONE!!!!!she did all those things and more,like ,she was a magician too,she made all my stuff disappear,yeah and she was a water sign and I'm an earth sign so together we made MUD!...i don't think she evolved very well at all...peace...

yeah yeah yeah its all about the earth huh!well what about us martians,what happened to us i ask you?just cause were shorter and have two more arms and an extra eye there's no need to discriminate!!you earthlings have always been elitists.do the numbers on all the planets in exactly the same proximity to there star as earth and then go study something mathematical called probability....peace...

The part where I make millions of dollars, marry a trophy wife, lose it all in the tech bubble burst of the 90's -- oh wait that wasn't me -- never mind. Since you wanna play psychoanalyst you tell me.

No....I am going to let you figure it out.

What makes you think that whatever it is, it makes any difference? Or that I even care? Unless it involves me, Kim Basinger and a bottle of chocolate syrup, I fail to see any motivation for continuing this game.

I wonder how many people here have actually listened to "Creation Scientists". I'd be willing to be only a handful of people have.

I think it's best to listen to both sides.

It's a hot topic not "just" because of it's earth shattering ideas but because it isn't 100% (either way; if your in the evolution camp, Science doesn't have absolutes...so don't preach them ;) ).

Anywho. I think the Church is very disappointing. Because they don't talk in-depth about these topics. Republicans are retarded because some think their Christian and just screw things up for Christians (if we didn't need any help...lol; we got cheating pastors, gay priests, and money grubbing leaders).

But also on the other side. I think people who believe in Evolution should be more open to listening.

Science, by nature, ALWAYS has an open ear. I say this because the day we stop testing something, is the day it's not as valid. I say this because what if tomorrow, randomly a meteor hits earth and we lose gravity. Wow, there goes a bunch of "facts" (there are no "facts" in science, just verifiable ideas based on past tests).

Creationism has a lot of questions to answer, if it's really true. Evolution does as well.

I'm not trying to preach Creationism. Nor Evolution. I just think both sides should open up a little more and dialogue about this "hot topic".

-Happy Learning and Growing.

Im not exactly certain what the Creationist argument is exactly? Is it that god created Adam and Eve and they alone proliferated the human species from that point on? Okay but that doesn't really require any evidence. None that I can think of off the top of my head anyway.

What I do become frustrated with is the creationist view of the scientific community in general and their disposition. They act as if attempting to unravel such a simple, straightforward matter as the evolution of life over the course of the last 2.7+ billion years is a piece of cake. It really is not. Of course scientists have encountered certain difficulties and differences of opinion on the matter.

But for goodness sake, that does not mean that the theory of evolution is a house of cards and creationism is self-evident. I find that whole POV annoying as all get out.

The Creationist/ID "counter argument" to Evolution is simply goddidit.
Back when this movement first started, they went further, and stated that it was the god of the bible that did it, but since that got thrown out by the Supreme Court, then have backed off to and un-named god being behind it. But, it doesn't even take much of an IQ to see that while they publicly leave the imaginary friend un-named, that friend is still that god of the bible.

Thanks. I actually did have to do a search online and Kent Hovind seemed to be the big creationist and he was coming up in the searches but he's in prison now for tax evasion. I guess there are other creationist scientists but Im just not aware of their names. He seems to also be the subject of much criticism and controversy and not just from the scientific community. Other Creationists find him a bit disruptive and not the best poster boy for their mission.

u mean to say god was not created in my image?

Why is it assumed that God's image means in physical shape and size and not in the ability to think, learn and reason.

Perhaps a GrΣΣk God...

...but not the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God, as he hates queer humans.