Probably what is confusng you a little is the premise behind the theory of universal common descent. In biology, it is generally accepted that all living organisms on Earth are descended from a common ancestor or ancestral gene pool.

But things went in different directions. You can kind of imagine it like forks. Or branches extending outward from a tree trunk. The fossil record seems to indicate that Australopithecus (the photo of the model) is the common ancestor of the distinct group of hominids, and most likely the genus Homo which includes modern humans. So that probably was the common ancestor. Although the intelligence of these early hominids was likely no more sophisticated than modern apes, the bipedal stature jumps out as being the key evidence which distinguishes the group from previous primates who are quadrupeds. Bipedalism begins to be seen in these recovered skeletal remains around 6 million years ago, which is the time that the split occurred between humans and chimpanzees indicated by genetic studies.

But to say that the humanoid split from the quardruped 6 million years ago is basically saying that we are in fact related to them. We may only be one branch of the spilt, but we evolved from the quadruped... right???

No we didn’t "evolve from them." That would imply that there was a chimp and then the chimp began to evolve. Where would chimpanzee be today if that were the case? Where would ANY animal be for that matter? Try to use some of the terms. It’s not "Humanoid". A humanoid is a being whose body structure resembles that of a human. Let’s try to use some of the actual terms and it will help you get a handle. Homo is a genus. Homo is the genus that includes modern humans and their close relatives. The genus itself is estimated to be about 2.5 million years old, evolving from Australopithecine ancestors with the appearance of Homo habilis.

We shared a common ancestor and that was the genus Australopithecus which you can see is almost in the middle. Still very chimp like yet the face is definitely moving in another direction. Australopthecus went extinct as did many of these early hominids. There would be several that would eventually lead all the way up to Homo sapien which is you and I. So what you need to understand is that one fork broke off. This would happen with cats, dogs, horses, all animals. What would eventually evolve into Homo sapiens, split or diverged from chimpanzee. Chimp did not go extinct. It continued on and would eventually evolve into its own distinct species (modern ape). We would do the same and continue on in our evolutionary course but separately. This is why we are 96% identical to chimpanzee but no other animals on the planet. We went in one direction, they went in another. But you are absolutely right. The quadrupeds would keep going down their own evolutionary road and so would we. That is where natural selection comes into play.

Krimsa,

Do you think that neanderthals actually went extinct or did they get mixed in with humans?

New findings show that neanderthals had the ability to speak, although they may only have had primitive speech. And they actually had bigger brains than us!

Some even believe that the reason there are people today who have red hair is because of a recessive gene passed on to us by the neanderthals...

Dear Billy ....

Microevolution is KNOWN and Understood,

and there is even PROOF that microevolution took place(this is Evolution WITHIN a species ONLY...

and usually took place as a species had to ADAPT to its environment) .

Now Macroevolution ...
which Evolutionists are just SAYING takes place and also took place

( evolution that transcends the boundaries of a single species.... and becomes a WHOLE OTHER species),

is NOT true....it NEVER EVER HAPPENED...and there is NO PROOF whatsoever.

NADA!!!

MACRO EVOLUTION IS Just THEORY....NOT FACT, BILLY!!!

But I don't mind you all sharing...please do...you can even call me ignorant if you want.. ....

But I will share with you again, the TRUTH of what God's Word says....

which explains WHY macroevolution will always remain just theory..and will NEVER EVER be FACT!!

Here is again WHY :

"ALL Things Reproduce After Its Own KIND".

Now....God's Word Does NOT change, Billy.......

therefore, God saying that "all things reproduce after its own kind" , does not change either.....

and will NEVER change....

or else ,

God would have to be ONE who does NOT keep His Word....

and therefore,

God would be Nothing more than a big fat Liar.

AND IF God is a Liar...and His WORD IS a Lie....

then the WHOLE of creation is in CHAOS ..and we are all DOOMED!!!

BUT .....

BILLY....

since Jesus thru His Holy Spirit , came to live in my heart,

I KNOW God is NOT a Liar..and I KNOW God's WORD is TRUE !!!!

meaning....

what God said in His Word IS TRUE!!!!


Meaning....

"All things reproduce after its own Kind" ,

is ALSO TRUE......

But Billy, I ALSO Understand, that until man is born again,

man will NOT see or understand what God's Word says....or even believe it....

I do understand..

ps... Billy, I am reading thru all your websites again....

cause I want to better understand WHY evolutionists believe the way they do........

cause I understand ,that until evolutionists are born again, it is only natural for them to believe as they do....

But Billy....ALSO read the websites I shared, on the two threads ....

especially on the thread called, "Evolution vs Creation...pull up a chair!!"...ok?

Be Blessed Now, Billy

Hey Morningsong,

Just a thought.

Your god, according to your book, is omnipotent and omniscient, COULDN'T HIS WORD EVOLVE!!!
Isn't that conceivable???

Just a hint, 99,997% of all christians accept that god's word evolves, and accept evolution micro, macro and all!!!

Real science is what happens when you look at the facts. Creation science is what happens when you ignore the facts you don't like.

I don’t know. That one is still being debated. I think it’s possible that we bred with them. Absolutely. Cro-Magnon (which was the prototype) of modern human could have reproduced with them more than likely. Let’s face it. They were dirty, we were dirty and sex feels good and it’s a natural drive. But their heads were huge and flat. They had a flared rib cage and they were much more robust than Cro-Magnon who would have the slighter build. That wouldn’t have mattered for the male Cro-mags to get busy with the female Neanderthals but the female Cro-mags trying to give birth to those babies would have been in trouble. I imagine many were lost in child birth if that occurred. There might have been some hybridization. Unlikely but possible.

Yes and you are right. They definitely had the potential for speech. They ran retrieved DNA evidence from the remains of two Neanderthal around 45,000 years old, and this indicated that they possessed a critical gene known to underlie speech, FOXP2. However their brains were different. Yes they were larger but it is thought they did not have quite the capacity for abstract thought that Cro-Magnon had.



I don’t really know exactly how Cro-Magnon was able to out compete and out maneuver Neanderthal. For example, evidence suggests that Neanderthal women joined their men in the hunt, while Homo sapiens had a division of labor between the sexes that gave them greater versatility and perhaps was a decisive advantage over the Neanderthals. Who knows? That’s another theory. We don’t see any indication that they were creative in the sense of cave artwork yet they designed some very efficient tools and weaponry also. Homo sapiens clearly surpassed them in that respect however. In fact, Homo sapiens also left behind delicately crafted stone tools - probably useless, but highly decorative. That implies they may have liked to show off their skills. We don’t see that with Neanderthal.

YES !!!!!

YES !!!!

YES VOIL!!

BUT....

ALWAYS .... WITHIN... ITS... OWN... KIND!!

ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!

And that includes EVERYTHING in the universe.....

everything will always ONLY ONLY ONLY

Evolve ... WITHIN... ITS.... OWN... KIND.

I think I understand it a little better. It's just a lot to wrap your head around. Basically I had the right idea though, the Homo genus was a branch off of the primal chimp (quadrupeds). Which still confuses me on how that isn't a form of evolution. Yes, the quadrupeds still exist, but that doesn't mean that the Homo genus wasn't an evolved form of the quadrupeds. Unless there is some other way of explaining why the Homo genus isn't an evolved form of a quadruped... I'll never get it.

I have this feeling that fundamentalist Christians back in the 1950s did not even accept the notion of micro evolution. Now they are forced to give into that one because it’s observable.

Btw...Neanderthal man and Homosapien are of the same species...called MAN!!!

Neanderthal is probably that first early man , who lived to be 930 years old...

and of course the long age of his body ,

would create some physiological changes over time....

I mean, it is all just common sense really.

Also...God created first man to live 900 years....and then it decreased to around 200 to 300 years.and has been decreasing ever since...

meaning... man is not evolving but dying..as God said man would, after sin entered in.

until he is born again(then he has eternal life once more).

But Neanderthal and Homo Sapien(of the same species called man) ,

do NOT share a common ancestor with chimps( a WHOLE different species altogether ).

And one more thing...

for Neanderthal man to be able to have lived to be around 900 years of age,

would have required God giving Neanderthal man

a slightly different dna makeup than modern man(homo sapien).

All just commom sense ..let's think here folks!!

Is that just an opinion or do you have any evidence to actually back that up?

That’s right. It’s all Evolution. Its macro evolution. We splintered off but since the apes continued their OWN evolution and we continued our OWN evolution it’s a misnomer to say that we "evolved from chimps". When you hear people say that it’s because they don’t understand at all. Then it leads them to get all confused and they make ridiculous comments like "if we evolved from monkeys, then why are they here."

Arguments like that are just annoying.

You have to also remember that this happened with every animal. Dogs and cats probably shared a common ancestor that diverged at one point.

Alright, soooo... Marco and Micro. Like economics. lol I think I got. Are you a fricken college professor or something? How the hell do you get to know all this stuff?

All ANSWERS to EVERY QUESTION is found ONLY in God's Word.


Go ONLY to God's Word for All Truth.

But God did gave us a brain to think with.....

and IF one studies God's Word,

it all makes sense....

including the fact that a 900 year old man is NOT gonna quite have the same make up , as modern man.

I mean, 900 years WILL affect a man's physiological makeup somewhat.

Wouldn't Ya think?

I will have some info later on....when I return..that will further explain...

So say if science is able to prove that Macro evolution does happen... what of your God's word then?

And to say that there is no way that we could have evolved (macro) from apes when we share 95% of the same gentics... kinda closed minded. You sound more like a Scientologist than a Christian.... but I've been wrong before. lol Have a good night, I gotta get to work. See yaz.

It pretty much has been substantiated. Its just because we are on a religion forum arguing with fundamentalist Christians that keep insisitng it hasn't been proven. Most Chritians actually accept the theory of evolution. The Catholics do.

Voil.....one day born again man will also acquire new heavenly bodies...

also ...

one day there will be a new heaven and a new earth....

but all this change........

still still will take place within ...its.. own ... kind.....

ONLY!!!

Meaning.....even the heavens and the earth will NOT change into

something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from ITS OWN ORIGINAL KIND!!!

And that includes man when he acquires his new heavenly body....

he will still be whom God created him to be .... MAN...but man with just a new body!!!


And...

When there will be a new heaven and a new earth one day,

Earth will still REMAIN EARTH.....and heaven will still REMAIN heaven....

but will be just BRAND NEW...

that's all....but will still remain earth....and NOT become some OTHER planet all of a sudden!!

Same with heaven.

"Everything Reproduces afer its own Kind"

ONLY....

NEVER into another Kind.

God's Word Does Not Change.

But Change does and Will Take place.... but it will ALWAYS be WITHIN its own kind....

and

This kind of change is in accordance with God's Word.

And therefore, does not go against God's Word...which btw....does NOT change.

God's Word Does NOT Change !!!

EVER.

See?

ps...

Also ...

God can NEVER go AGAINST His Word either...

that is why ,when man sinned , God came up with a plan that was just...and did not go against His Word.

The gospel message is quite simple.....really.,..

IF we just take time to listen.... with our hearts

Yes and considering that if we viewed the evolution from the beginning it would look as though everything evolved from it's own kind but if you take the end result and look at the beginning it could look like something completely different. Example because biologically mammals are similar in so many ways the outer image of the creature can be seen as completely different.

The ancestor of man way way back in time may look very different but it does not mean that we are not the end result.