I think I am the only one, at this moment in time, who does "see it".

Yeh that's what I would like to know too..LOL

Okay someone has even calculated the size of the universe and made up something they call "dark Matter" to explain what they can't...

OKay if we go with that bogus theory, then I would ask these idiots... hey beyond the measured boundaries of this universe... what is there and how far does that go?

Ignorance is bliss, which is why I am thrilled.

Well then if it makes you feel better to think that, then think it.

Okay never mind.

Resistance is futile I can see that.

I think I'm done here.

Hey now, I have already gotten into trouble for thinking out loud...



Therefore, if I think that something is said which reeks of stupidity and makes the author seem to have the mental capacity of a retarded gerbil, then I must keep it to myself. Not that this has happened here, it is just a hypothetical situation regarding my earlier mistake of thinking out loud.

Note:
Ridicule and cleverly worded hypothetical remarks won't contribute to the discussion.

I have yet to see any convincing evidence that humans can be attributed to having created all the crop circles all over the world. If they are doing it ..hey, I want them arrested!

They are trespassing and they are ruining our crops! I demand they be arrested now! I think someone should find those guys who put up that website and are claiming to be crop circle makers be arrested!


Guess what? It won't ever happen, because that website is a joke.

Also:

I also think the idea of finite universe is ridiculous.

Does anyone who believes in a finite universe know what that finite universe is sitting in, or what might be beyond the boarders of this gob of galaxies, stars and planets and alleged 'dark matter' we call this universe?

I don't think so.

Where are all these intelligent educated scientists when you need them to answer a question?

They have no answers.

the author, he is not really alone

Elizabeth Rauscher Ph.D.
E. A. Rauscher, Ph.D. (Nuclear Physics and Engineering, University of California at Berkeley). Dr. Rauscher was a nuclear scientist and researcher at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and at Stanford Research Institute, Professor of Physics at John F. Kennedy University of California, research consultant to NASA (space shuttle program) and the U.S. Navy.

Dr. Rauscher served on the Congressional OTA Advisory Committee, and has been Delegate and advisor to the United Nations.

Michael T. Hyson Ph.D.

Michael was born on July 5, 1948 in Rockford, Illinois and spent his early life in Winnebago, Illinois on a small farm. He was greatly inspired by his father, Eugene, a microbiologist who helped develop yellow fever vaccine.

Eventually, Dr. Hyson attained a BS in Biology at the University of Miami in 1970, followed by a MS in Biology in 1973, and a Ph.D. in Biology in 1976 with specialization in neurobiology. From 1977-79 he pursued a Post Doctorate in Bioinformation Systems at CalTech. From 1980-87 he worked as a systems engineer for electrostatic levitation at Jet Propulsion Laboratories (JPL). From 1988-89 he functioned as research director at Pacific American Launch Systems. From 1990 to the present day he is the Research Director of the Sirius Institute.

http://theresonanceproject.org/personnel.html

If alien life forms were making these patterns, why? Is it to communicate with humans in some respect? You would imagine so. Why don’t they just make themselves known because we can’t understand what they are attempting to impart just by creating these patterns. Its like trying to decipher a post by Davidben....

He/she who seeks answers will only find questions.

He/she who absolutely seeks the truth will find their own answers.

She/he that ask questions will find that not all answers are the truth.

Everything is possible and believable if your mind wants an answer, like everything can be wrong when your mind is close to any questioning.

Well, I believe that the universal language is IMAGES and symbols. (Why do you think tarot cards seem to speak to us?)

Where do you think the quantum structures of reality come from?

(If this is a thought created universe, they come from the universal mind.)

A sphere is the largest possible spacial structure you can enclose. The star of David represents the three dimensional structure of two pyramids. That is the smallest amount of space that can be mapped within the sphere.

Sacred geometry is called 'sacred' because it holds the key to the structure of reality.

Your average human may not understand the symbols, others may just call it 'art.' But there are those who do understand their meaning.

(I don't much.) I sort of understand geometry, but the stuff on this video in this thread was a bit above my head. ... a lot above my head. I am not much good at math.

I am ordained by the Universal Life Church (via the Internet) and I am a legal minister. (Anyone can do it with the click of the mouse, its no big deal, but its legally valid.)

In good humor I call myself "The High Priestess of the First Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty."

But since I was 19 years old, I have dedicated myself to truth the search for truth in all things.

The guidelines for seeking truth is to consider all information and don't marry any of it. That is, don't join a religion, a cause, or in any other way limit your ability to consider all information.

To seek truth, you have to be willing to throw out current conceptions if evidence is found that they are wrong, and you have to adjust your view when new and valid information proves more evident than what you have.

No conclusions are permanent, all are adjustable and open to new considerations as long as the evidence is complete, reasonable, and compatible with the other information that holds to being true.

For example, that is why if information points to Crop circles being made by a non-human intelligence and two drunk Irishmen decide to pull a prank and make some circles, that is not proof that the other crop circles were man made.

In order to debunk current scientific information gathered on crop circles, they would then have to prove they did all of them and show everyone exactly how they did it. This has not been done.

People can claim responsibility for doing one, but can they prove they actually did it? It is just like kooks who confess to murders that they did not do, or radical groups who claim responsibility for terrorist acts they had nothing to do with.

People who jump quickly at believing the mystery has been solved probably do it because it makes them feel better and gives their mind a rest from trying to solve the puzzle. They hate mysteries and concepts like infinity that they can't grasp, so they will grasp any explanation and they won't look closely at the evidence to validate it without a doubt, because they have 'joined a cause' and are no longer accepting new information. They have made up their minds.

They are not truth seekers.

When I make a claim it is what I currently believe and have concluded. I am willing to consider something different as long a person actually has good evidence and logical processes and reasoning to go with that.

But if they just make fun of me and ridicule my ideas, they are not doing any service to anyone and I am not going to learn anything from them nor will I be bullied into any lack of confidence in what I believe, or in changing my conclusions. So why they do it is not logical to me.

The reason some of my ideas seem to be different or 'on the fringe' is because the more I look, the more I see that what we think we know is not true or complete. There are puzzles pieces that just don't fit, equations that don't work, etc.

We need to stop and rethink the foundations of what we think we know because its all wrong.

Yes.

If one contemplates the complexity facet of this crop circle "issue", one may gain a little perspective.

If an intelligent life form is responsible for the formation of them, why has there complexity grown as it has? Is this not an indication that the creator is growing in knowledge. The creator(s) are getting better at it.

If a higher form of intelligence is responsible why did the first circles have such a simple design?

Could this whole argument make perfect sense if one considers a human source? The complexity grew along with the technology. As humans got better so did the circle designs. That makes perfect sense. A higher form would have already had that advanced technology to begin with, would it not?

I think that if an intelligent life form was responsible, the complexity would have began in a more advanced way.

Have they ever caught anyone doing these? I know you say that some they have not but at ANY point did they ever bust some kids in a cornfield doing this stuff?

Again....

perspective....

a child does not decide a parent/mentor/teacher is getting more advanced and sophisticated because they have gone from drawing 'a' to 'apple' to 'advantageous'.


Funny how some can only see things as themselves as the hub of everything.

I believe I gave my thoughts on that question on page 4.

Why would you think the designs should have started out in a more advanced or complicated way?

Would you start a third grader out reading Shakespeare?

Page 4:

"The gradual increasing complexity is probably for a reason. These symbols and images are communications. The designs increase in complexity as human consciousness increases in understanding and awareness of what they mean.

Descriptions of UFO's throughout the ages have also evolved to more modern looking objects. It has to do with what the human consciousness can comprehend or understand. If it is too complex, it will not register or be understood, or sometime it will not even be seen.

Another theory is that it all manifests out of the human energy field of the collective unconscious itself and as that evolves, so do the manifestations."

Those are my thoughts.

Not that I know of. Many crop circles go completely unreported.

During a time when my sister was working on a sod farm in Ellicott Colorado, and during the time of many cattle mutilations, She kept finding these crop circles in the field she was mowing.

Nobody made a big deal out of them. When she asked her employer about them, he told her to just ignore them, and he told her not to tell anyone about them, just to mow over them.

She had no idea what they were, and imagined that maybe it was some kind of crop virus that he did not want anyone to know about.

((She just told me this today when I was talking to her about crop circles!))

Now I am quite sure those guys from Britian did not fly all the way over here to Ellicott Colorado to make crop circles in a field of grass on a sod farm out in the middle on nowhere, that would just get mowed over and ignored.

Here is something interesting about crop circles. some youtube people started to spin the picture of them at high speed:

this is the coolest one I found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGx3kn3wYs

I missed that post. My bad.

So then, the assessment is that we are being taught something by these higher intelligence life forms and that they are using the formation of crop circles as a means of direct communication with us?

They are showing us this form of sacred geometry in our fields, and we are then reverse engineering the complex designs and finding that they coincide with foundational atomic structures?



A spoke nut, perhaps... a tread... or a rock wedged between treads... the hub?



Changing perspective is a personal endeavor...