I wanted to post this yesterday, but was hesitant. I had a few other
things I wanted to say as well. That was yesterday.
I've always had a strong urge to chop arrogance down at the knees. The
whole superiority thing really bothers me. Has as far back as I can
remember. Maybe it's just my view or how I read things. I could very
well be wrong. I have been before.

Like I said- in the same way that a card can sit upon a house of cards,
and be above them, despite the fact that removing even a single support
brings the entire thing down.


How about this as a difference- *WE* are irreplaceable. Thus far,
unique in the known universe. If not us, what would explore the stars.
Record the history of the world? Discover that which occured before any
human lived? All other creatures can be replaced. Something else can do
what they do. Maybe not everything they do, but there's always an equal
in some area or another. We're the only ones for which there is no
equal, or even close competitor.


Hey. I'm always constructive. Or at least neutral. And I wasn't being
humorous anywhere in here. Nor was I being insulting. I make a
statement. It has no more or less value than the words. When I do irony-
I say I'm being ironic. Any who reads between the lines when I say
something, will find -if anything- something that doesn't exist. It
isn't in my nature to "imply". To read between lines is to assume....
that is, to make an --- out of "u" and "me".



And I never said we weren't connected. We're all a part of the cycle.
My religion says quite clearly that our soul is part of the Goddess. A
piece of Her broken off and given to us. As we live, it is within us- as
it's within all things. And when we die, it returns to Her, as our flesh
returns to the earth.


But, while we have it, it makes us seperate- unique- *special*. Not
independent, not by any joke of a meaning. But just as a human body
means more than 200 or so lbs of mud- a human spirit means more than
what surrounds it.

Ms. Red:
Catholicism is not a sect. I'm not a sectarian at all.
Catholicism is a faith grounded in 2000 years of history.
And at this point I'll step out of the discussion because i have maden
clear my point of view.
We are all creatures all connected to the same Source, the only
difference is that human beings have free will.

TLW, I was only making reference to the Catholic faith as being one sect
of the entire Christian faith. Even the Pope recognizes that there are
differences within the Christian community that divides it into sects.
It was not meant as an offence, it's because the Catholic faith is the
oldest of Christian faiths that it's regiment, the dogma, of it's
beliefs are so strong. For this reason it has always been difficult for
those Catholics to even voice a question about what the Church says. But
you, in some ways questioned those beliefs and found a way to reconcile
them to your acceptance. I guess that makes you stronger than the
church, for you have found your own faith within it.

Poet, you added this to your reasons why we are superior list.

"
How about this as a difference- *WE* are irreplaceable. Thus far,
unique in the known universe. If not us, what would explore the stars.
Record the history of the world? Discover that which occured before any
human lived? All other creatures can be replaced. Something else can do
what they do. Maybe not everything they do, but there's always an equal
in some area or another. We're the only ones for which there is no
equal, or even close competitor. "

Like many of the other reasons you list, these reasons seem like "show",
as if they were meant to impress other humans.
Who would explore the stars? Does it matter in the scheme of your
beliefs if we explore the stars? Maybe your referenc is a claim to be
the only life form intelligent enough in the entire univers to do so.
Record history, discover prehistory information about this planet. What
do these things mean to anyone but us humans, and it doesn't even
impress some at all or even make a difference to anyghing else in the
universe.
But then of course the best one, WE CAN NOT BE REPLACED. Do you have
some personal information that God lost the original recipe? Maybe next
time, God will add some humble nature to the mix.

I said "known universe". We're unique to this world, at least. And if
we found other beings who can think like we can think- they'd be more
important, individual for individual, than any (nonhuman) organism on
this world.


How about THIS for a scenario. We invent a medical procedure. Which
allows us to transplant, I dunno, pig hearts into humans. Successfully,
without complications. This would, of course, save many thousands of
lives. It will also result in the deaths of at least that many pigs.
Should we do it? I say we do. I say we CHEERFULLY do it.



Besides- if we winked out and God saw fit to replace us- that'd be a
good indicator that we had some value. God hasn't replaced the Dodo bird
yet. In my house, the pantry light burned out years ago. And hasn't been
replaced yet. And the kitchen light is always replaced within a few
minutes of its death. Shows how much we care about the pantry, no?

Hey Poet, I'm just bantering. I say, if a pigs heart works, say thanks
to the piq and as peacefully as possible allow the animal to die so you
can live. Remember I'm the athiest, don't believe in the creator
stuff. When I die, I'm dead and gone, would like to stick around as long
as I can though. Personally, I don't feel superior as a species. In
fact I feel related to all that I see, all that exists. I posted the
topic to see if there was any relationship between those who believe in
a creator and being superior verses those who don't feel superior and
why.

Glad you participated. This old carcass has to get some shut eye.
later all.

Hey Poet, I'm just bantering. I say, if a pigs heart works, say thanks
to the piq and as peacefully as possible allow the animal to die so you
can live. Remember I'm the athiest, don't believe in the creator
stuff. When I die, I'm dead and gone, would like to stick around as long
as I can though. Personally, I don't feel superior as a species. In
fact I feel related to all that I see, all that exists. I posted the
topic to see if there was any relationship between those who believe in
a creator and being superior verses those who don't feel superior and
why.

Glad you participated. This old carcass has to get some shut eye.
later all.

I said "known universe". We're unique to this world, at least. And if
we found other beings who can think like we can think- they'd be more
important, individual for individual, than any (nonhuman) organism on
this world.


How about THIS for a scenario. We invent a medical procedure. Which
allows us to transplant, I dunno, pig hearts into humans. Successfully,
without complications. This would, of course, save many thousands of
lives. It will also result in the deaths of at least that many pigs.
Should we do it? I say we do. I say we CHEERFULLY do it.



Besides- if we winked out and God saw fit to replace us- that'd be a
good indicator that we had some value. God hasn't replaced the Dodo bird
yet. In my house, the pantry light burned out years ago. And hasn't been
replaced yet. And the kitchen light is always replaced within a few
minutes of its death. Shows how much we care about the pantry, no?"

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Evolution, and polution, and bacteria killed out the species gone now.

Dinosaurs were killed by continents shifting and bacteria they had no
immune system to fight of.
The same for many peoples.

Bacteria has to count since it is a natural thing,and we cannot exist
without it. And, we are also made up of bacterias. More and more is
discovered everyday in warm muds... deeper egions of the earth, and
space.

man builds upon things through fear, and greed.
Money, war, weapons... all fear based.

I still don't see the superiority of this.

Adaption?

Most all creatures have adapted to environments given.

Even a stick bug alive today adapts and needs no male to reproduce
herself.

The insect world, and bacterium have it hands down if this were about a
game, or victory, lol.

Nature does have a way of humbling us. Plagues...

You have to admit in the face of all this we cannot be superior.

We are vaner. Dee Snyder from Twisted Sister.

I told you- "bacteria" is a WIDE category. Unfairly wide. Find an
individual, singular, species of bacteria and compare us to that. But if
you're going to hold us up against an entire KINGDOM of organisms, then
we should also have the benefit of the support of the rest of the animal
kingdom. Every mammal, every fish, every insect and arachnid.... you get
the idea.


No individual species of bacteria has managed to move to as many unique
places as we humans have. Except maybe the ones hitching a ride inside
us. Which, of course, earn their keep quite adeptly by keeping us
healthy. But, between a handful of micro-organisms to a single, living,
human being- the microbes lose.


I'll admit, the forces of the world are humbling. Compared to the
mysteries of the universe, we are mere flotsam. But we're a higher form
of flotsam than anything we've yet to find.

And the plague that drives our entire species, down to the last man,
woman, and child, into extinction.... well, it wins. It defeats us
entirely. Can't argue with that. But for every plague that's destroyed a
few million people.... know that every infected human being that
survives, kills about a billion of them.

Casualties wise, no individual microbe beats us. Although numbers wise,
they have us outnumbered considerably (they need that, though). Each to
their own tactics. But we're still standing, and we're still visiting
other worlds.

i'm back just to make another point clear.
Ms. Red:
The catholicism can't be a sect, If you check history the christianity
started in Rome where is nowadays the headquarters of catholicism.
Somewhere in the middle some people, who did not agree with the views of
the Pope, broke up with the catholic church, and from there we have
lutherans, anglicans, calvinists, and all the SECTS that were derived
from all this partitions of the original church.

I dislike disagreeing but christianity started in the area that is now
israel not rome.

Rome is the seat of the pope not the throne of christ.

Mr. AB.
After Christ died and came back to life. The Fathers of the church moved
to Rome and from them christinainty expanded to the known world.

Actually. SECT is a derivitive of "section". Which means "part of". So
Catholicism is a sect, even if it is the oldest one.

Besides, the so-called "eastern orthodox" church is just as old. Back
in the time of ancient Rome- Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox church
were one and the same. They broke off, mostly due to geographical
issues. The eastern orthodox stayed in the Byzantine empire (modern
Turkey), India, and later russia/etc.

The catholic church moved (yes, moved) into Europe.

Poet wrote..


I told you- "bacteria" is a WIDE category. Unfairly wide. Find an
individual, singular, species of bacteria and compare us to that. But if
you're going to hold us up against an entire KINGDOM of organisms, then
we should also have the benefit of the support of the rest of the animal
kingdom. Every mammal, every fish, every insect and arachnid.... you get
the idea.
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I disagree in part with what you are saying...firstly...the words "I
told you'...humanity covers a WIDE category...and it feels like we
really are starting to split hairs here..

Your beliefs are yours and you have backed your beliefs over and
over...you are not wrong...for you..

I am not wrong...for me...we have differing veiws on who or what is
superior...is all..many of us have similar beliefs, that oppose yours,
that does not make you wrong, nor the others who agree in their
beliefs..wrong.

Just different sides of a fence called life, I feel.

Fair enough. But all humans are more or less alike. Same obviously
primate heritage. Same basic behaviors. Same general psychology. We're
more closely related to chimps than most bacteria are to even their
literal fourth generation relations.

Put us up against any species of bacteria- even Staph or the Bubonic
Plague- and we're still well in the lead.

if it's the oldest one. It means it's the original. From there all the
SECTS were derived.

It's still not the oldest. It's one of the two oldest still in
existence, but it is NOT the original.