just thought id toss in here that the OP is HAWT!!!

RAWR!!!


ok back to the battle of the "nice guy" VS society!

and you concider yourself a "nice guy" am i correct?!?!

So, does that mean when you DO become a certified bachelor, you WILL be completely stupid?

when you say you are right, you mean to yourself as there have been plenty of people sharing their versions (which can proof that they are right, their opinion/view)

the pick up artist is a waste of a good time slot sunshine, meant to boost morale when in reality it does nothing but belittle the contestants and participants. how can you take someone like that seriously? it's a tv reality show.

change perceptions and your dating life will also change - good luck to you

Well, go ahead and cater yourself. I'm not saying anything other than you're stereotyping and generalizing. Such an individual. Disregard every other thing and give women only and exactly what they want. This, to me, is what the nice guy is. F&ck that. I do just fine assessing every situation as different, and it sure as hell is a lot more interesting than the same demeanor over and over and over again. Once you realize how stupid and boring that is, you'll expand.

let me say this LOUD and CLEAR!!!

yes i do beleve that the nice guys finish last!!!
that is the loud.
heres the clear part!

in my youth (no age cracks please. my life experience puts my SOUL at about 90) i was stupid like most girls can be.. i went for the momentairy thrill.. the fast and the fun.. the danger and the adreniline excitement...
then.. i grew up.. realized that the "bad boy" he was fun for a second.. but had NOTHING to hold my attention.. over a year ago i met my bf.. we started dating about 9 months ago..
i have found a "nice guy" to clarify.. he rides a harley.. he has the bad boy image.. but his soul is that of a nice guy... he treats me with dignity and respect.. not only when he needs me.. but when he doesnt have to as well.. he is the type of guy that will wake up at 5 am to call and make sure i am awake just so that he can make sure that his is the first voice i hear in the morning.. he is the nicest of all nice guys...
now back to the original subject...
nice guys do finish last...
they are the type that i want to be the last guy that i ever kiss.. the last guy that ever holds me.. the last breath on my lips i want to have come from him....
the nice guys will finish last with me.. and last is the best place to be....

firehottie210

I am also 21. I don't want bad ass guys who slap with around.
You say "watch the pickup artist on VH1"....is that where you get you facts?

I have been a girl all my life and I know more about women than some freak on a television show who is dresses like a monkey. You can take the advice given in this thread and maybe do better or you can get you facts from monkeys on television who have shows that are edited to show success and basically are lies.

Do you really think that stuff that guy does on VH-1 works? I watched the show only twice with my girlfriends. We laughed at the stupid stuff that guy does. Go to google and see how much editing is done to make him look successful.

If you had wingmen,

like the props, used in the pickup artist,

you wouldn't even need game,

and that's a fact jack,

there freaking steroided out to the max,

you got a rigg i can borrow ?

nize guyz taste likez teh chickenz.

IMHO too many guys mix up being nice with being a wimp and then think the jerk gets the nice girl. Not true.

Nice guys talk to gals with relative intelligence, manners, values, and confidence. They don't buy desperate and they don't buy hoochie even though occassionally they will "hit it" for relief. They really don't care if you are the most perfect wrapper because they are buying the whole package. Nice guys when they are ready don't mess around when they find a gal with the combination they like they are very clear about what they want. A nice guy will make up his mind rather quickly and act on it to some degree between three to six months. Nice guys don't rent they buy makeing the vows. If they are going to buy a package they make and effort to be a father. A nice guy won't touch a child support check or or let her kid do with out. A nice guy may have a kid but he figures out a way to bring it all into balance.

Wimp stands there and almost asks for permission to speak and have and opinion. Often and annoying yes guy. His opinion is worthless. He will write notes, pretty poems, even clean up pretty good but he is so sweet it gives her a toothache. He is moody and depressed often. He hides in his hobbies or a job where he is consitently the flunky. Sometimes she wonders if he is a girlfriend. And she often treat him that way. He has been dumped several times and she is not particularly proud of him. She doesn't take him around friends even if she does take him around family. If she has a kid she may let him hang out and be a "just now" guy but she tells her kid this is a friend and only lets a wimp be a babysitter. A wimp whines about how unfair it is to support her kid but he still puts the childsupport check in the pot and depends on her or her family to really support her kid. A wimp may have a kid but he isn't a pro-active parent and his Ex treats everyone like dirt. A wimp will shack up because he is to weak to say he isn't ready to split rent or propose. If he does it is to please his parents or she asks him or just plans the wedding.

Jerk interrupts, has an attitude, whines or bullies when he can't make a point point but at least he isn't invisable.

Nice guy kind of hangs back and lets you spot him. He will make a move in a gracious but easy going way. He will have the manners to ask you to dance even if he is a terrible dancer. He may or may not ask you out immediately but if he is interested he will find a way to make a connection if he has show up someplace a second time. He will offer a phone number or email but he won't blow up your phone or embarrass you where it counts. He will think about what will be an interesting date for both, actually plans it, pays for it, and asks her to participate. He is fun and she has a blast. A nice guy will call her after the date and thank her for your company if he is really interested. She will probably offer to have him meet her for a picnic or a meal after two or three dates. She won't jump in the bed right off, and scare him off, but she clearly wants to and eventually does. If he isn't her exact cup of tea she probably fix him up with a friend. This is the guy who gets a life mate who is jumping his bones even though he lies like hell that he isn't so the wimps and the jerks don't mess with them. She may work, helps raise kids, makes a home, and sticks around through thick and thin and so does he. Once he commits he frequently shows she is his world with love made visable and she reciprocates. She might have to sift through a few cheap imitations but if he is really a nice guy she is holding out for you and dumps whatever to be with him.

Wimps ask what she wants to do or doesn't get up to bat most of the time. They ignore subtle invitations and always go for the impossible. They can't make a decision and when they do it is way off base. They are so nervouse they don't listen even when she tells him plain as day what she wants. A wimp is boreing as hell during the whole date. If he gets even a whisper of physical attraction he fumbles all over himself or apologizes for it. Wimps will agrees to be her escort knowing full well she was not really interested but under the guise of freindship he hopes to get lucky. She won't give him her attention but he doesn't take the hint and buys her a rose when he doesn't hardly know her name. He texts her twelve times and emails her twice a day. He is profuse in gratitude for the slightest attention. He makes gross compliments addnauseum. She knows he is desperate and feel bad and after a time might email back with a polite Thank You. Just when she least wants it or think he has lost interest he shows up at her job with a Teddy Bear and nobody has a clue who he was. She starts avoiding him or purposefully show up with someone else. He calls anyone she knows, professing his adoration or apologies and asks how he can win her back. It might carry on if she is afraid he will hurt himself or he "Man's Up" a little but eventually she blows him off. Wimps whine and cry how they are doing everything right but they just keep doing things the same way; with the same results. Usually their Ex's take the kids and hopefully finds something better.

Jerk straightens up a little tells a gal he is interested maybe with a sexual enuendo that is flattering. Jerks actually do call women or set it up so the girl has to call then he asks her out, at least kind of, for the first date. Maybe a jerk even pays when nobody is looking but he usually pulls a fast one and she gets stuck with the bill rather than humilateing herself even more. He is fun, probably a good dancer, maybe even a good kisser, but he acts like a creep and she really doesn't want to cross him. A jerk is a loud mouth and tells everyone everything. You know what he has done because you see it, hear it and clean up after it. Sometimes wimps get lumped in with jerks as Ex's because most women don't want to admidt they were stupid. Sometimes jerks overwhelm nice girls who don't have the experience to see them coming and still want to spite their parents or worry that they might be ageing out. If she gets drunk or horney with him she might keep him close like and enemy but if a wimp comes along she might pick him if she is paniced she's pregnant or want the jerk to loose interest. She's hoping a nice guy will come along but she know's the chances there. If she has a little backbone or independence or really is desperate she take's a couple of shots from the jerk. Eventually she realizes the worl is a tough place and accepts a wimp will pay her bills and finally feel like he got his chance to be heroic and that is about all the respect she will gove him. She really doesn't see a wimp as her hero but she is too exhausted to fight and figures at least he gets what he gets out of the deal. A nice guy might give her a chance if she gets smart but she has to earn his respect. The Jerk mean while goes along doing what minimally works until he figures out that he may have to settle for being a wimp or occassionally wise up to be a nice guy. Usually a jerk alternates between jerk and wimp and makes her life miserable until he dump her or she dumps him.

Before any one gets all radical on me about the she and he roles her you can invert the genders and the SAME THING APPLYS. IMHO think what you want.

meh, i guess paint the city red with this one,

<--- breathing heavily bends over wipes sweat from forehead
looks back
yes there is still someone behind me

get over myself? I'm sorry, I surely did not mean to offend anyone. Could it be that the reason most often is that, shallow people, men and women alike, only think of themselves instead of others? Last weekend I met a "person" in a local night spot. Before the evening was over we had talked for hours about all kinds of things from A to Z. When this "person" found out that I don't own a car, the evening was over as far as getting to know each other any further. I politley let it go. I did not bother to tell this "person" that my sedan from a limo service was waiting out behind the club as to not draw attention to myself. I choose to be how I am for a reason. I guess I must be somewhat u-neek in that aspect. The sedan was the same price as a six pass limo. My driver and I have a long standing relationship, He knows not to get out and open my doors or to try to impress. He is a good driver and does his job well. I pay him well. I could buy a very nice car for what I spend one his tips alone. I don't like to drive. I used to have to drive a bunch of stuffy shirt wealthy yahoo's around every night. It greatly offends me when "persons" are so stuck on themselves that they seek recognition by acting out in public. If this offends anyone, you have learned something, and there is nothing you can do about it!

Dude the woman on tis site are totally in control,I think half of them just want to tell you what you want to hear,we just have to be patient till the right one comes along

So...dude?? you figured this out with what? FOUR posts???

Ooooo! A clairvoyant!

well you got it right about the nice guy story,so why do we fell like were coming in last,or is it because we have alot of patience and are willing to wait for the right one

Dude....nothing in life is gonna be handed to you on a silver platter. It must be earned.

If you get dumped on....From my experience...it was because I allowed it.

Self-respect is what women really apprecieate bro...if you can respect yourself without looking for someone to lay the blame on...then you can respect a woman and take blame or credit for your own actions or inactions.

Once you find a woman who apprecieates the fact that you respect them but, ain't gonna take no sh*t....you are on your way.

buy the way, I'm not really sure of anything except that I do enjoy being single! when I go home at the end of an evening, I get to enjoy what I want when I want. I don't have to explain anything I don't wish to. Sometimes I get lonely, but there is always you guy's and gal's to entertain me if I wish! thanks!

Is teh chickenz on teh menu tonite? I is hungryz andz stuff.