100% FREE ONLINE DATING
sponsored links
Previous
| Topic: "Out of body" experiences | |
|---|---|
|
|
|
Na... Funches is just jealous because he can't do it LOL
Ha ha funches. 
JB |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Jeanniebean
on
Thu 09/04/08 07:55 AM
|
|
After reading through the posts, I think there is general disagreement/misunderstanding about what an out of body experience is and the capabilities of an individual while in the OBE state. I believe this has lead to much of the tension between posters here. Being in the OBE state doesn't always mean you are hanging around on the same plane of existence as everyone else. Certainly that is possible but doesn't occur all the time. The idea of viewing someone, or something, else or what they are doing is called remote viewing and is very different than having an out of body experience. The idea behind remote viewing is to provide objective, verifiable information about the target. This is more difficult than it sounds and takes a lot of training and practice. There is a lot of information and books out there on this subject so I suggest looking into those if this is something that interests you. I suggest looking into an individual by the name of Joseph McMoneagle. Going back to out of body experiences, these are something you have to experience for yourself as no one else can prove it for you. This is similar to someone asking you to prove you love someone--you can't prove it, it is just something that you know, feel, and experience. Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know. WanderingSoul13 Word Dude! It is very Nice to have a rational informative post like this in the face of funches crunches.
(To him, everyone is delusional who can do things he can't do.)
Funches: And by the way funches, what you need to do is stop pretending you know something about the subject and do some research and study on it. (But learning something is not your motive here, I know that.) I once offered you a download of an entire 300 page book on the Power of Will so you might learn something but you are not interested in learning and you are not interested in even listening to anyone else. All you want to talk about is the world according to funches. Its a very sad world indeed, and I am sorry for you. Guess what? You created it. JB |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
people do that in dreams They also do it during OBEs, so what's your point? I asked for evidence that shows what you may have experience was more than just a dream Ok, you've implied that what I gave you was not sufficient evidence. So let me ask you the complementary question: Can you present any evidence that it was just a dream? it's not up to me to prove or disprove if you are having a delusion..I just ask if you have any evidence that may indicate that you wasn't having a delusion .. And it's not up to me to prove or disprove that I was having an OBE. I just asked if you had any evidence that I was having a dream. so far you been providing that evidence yourself Wrong again my friend. "Skyhook" next time you leave out your body try and make it a point to get some evidence ..and make sure you're not asleep ... No. I have no reason to do either one of those things. of course you have no reason to do either because that would pop you out of you little fantasy of being God .. do you wish to know why? ..since you tried to play Dr. Phil with me I will return the favor it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep .. it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion Wrong again. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know. even if one does experience an out of body event themself doesn't mean it wasn't still a dream an hallucination or conscious induce R.E.M. sleep that is why it's only reasonable to ask for any evidence that may prove otherwise ..if they have none then why wouldn't a simple "no" be the most appropriate response |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know. even if one does experience an out of body event themself doesn't mean it wasn't still a dream an hallucination or conscious induce R.E.M. sleep that is why it's only reasonable to ask for any evidence that may prove otherwise ..if they have none then why wouldn't a simple "no" be the most appropriate response No 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
We are discussing out of body experiences. If you haven't actually had one, then I can understand why you don't believe it is possible.
Maybe you don't want to believe it is possible. Maybe if you had one yourself you are afraid that you are being delusional. That is all up to you and how you want to approach the experience. With remote viewing, you can provide proof by describing what you are seeing. This had been proven. People have drawn pictures of what they saw that matched what was there. This has been proven by people who have done this. Remote viewing is not astral travel, it is awareness. It is looking by focusing your attention on something. It has been proven with tests that it is possible. Still, there are those people who will pretend it was just a coincidence or that they just made a good guess or what ever. There will always be people who refuse to believe. Oh well. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep .. it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion Wrong again. "Skyhook" you been debunked |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
After reading through the posts, I think there is general disagreement/misunderstanding about what an out of body experience is and the capabilities of an individual while in the OBE state. I believe this has lead to much of the tension between posters here.
Being in the OBE state doesn't always mean you are hanging around on the same plane of existence as everyone else. Certainly that is possible but doesn't occur all the time. The idea of viewing someone, or something, else or what they are doing is called remote viewing and is very different than having an out of body experience. The idea behind remote viewing is to provide objective, verifiable information about the target. This is more difficult than it sounds and takes a lot of training and practice. There is a lot of information and books out there on this subject so I suggest looking into those if this is something that interests you. I suggest looking into an individual by the name of Joseph McMoneagle. Going back to out of body experiences, these are something you have to experience for yourself as no one else can prove it for you. This is similar to someone asking you to prove you love someone--you can't prove it, it is just something that you know, feel, and experience. Is it possible that people claiming to have an OBE are just dreaming or hallucinating, sure it is. By the same token though, it is also equally possible that they are _not_ dreaming or hallucinating. The only way to know for sure is to experience it for yourself. You can read about it, debate it, believe or not believe, but ultimately none of that matters until you experience it for yourself--then you will know. It may be that I confused the issue for some because of different understandings of OBE and remote viewing. To me the two have always been synonymous, but from your post, I can see that that is not the case for everyone. So let me see if I understand the differences from that point of view. Remote viewing: This is where something is perceived/observed that cannot be seen via the normal laws of physiology, physics and the electromagnetic spectrum – either because there is no way for light to travel directly between the subject and the object, or because of the distance between the subject and the object. OBE: This is where the “self” is located at some point other than that of the physical body. In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner. Or more simply, the main difference is in the location of the “viewpoint”. Is that a fair assessment of the difference? As to other sources of information, I posted a cut and paste from the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) site earlier in this thread. They have what is generally considered to be the largest database of scientific research on the subject of remote viewing. I would recommend that as well. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep .. it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion Wrong again. "Skyhook" you been debunked Whatever you think is right funchie.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
it's called "Trinity Syndrome" you are the son your projected self is the father and the "new unknown knowledge" that bridge you two entities constitutes the holy spirit ..but unfortunely since you can't provide any new unknown knowledge indicates that your out of body experience as being nothing more than conscious induced R.E.M. sleep .. it's an acute condition that usually effects those of the "New Age" aka "Scientology" faith that choose to keep the God but dump the religion and replace the religion with their own moral standards thereby placing themselves into the role of God and that "Skyhook" is why you are unable to provide any evidence beyond you having a delusion Wrong again. "Skyhook" you been debunked Whatever you think is right funchie.
well you know..I keep forgetting that in this place no proof is proof |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
well you know..I keep forgetting that in this place no proof is proof Which proves that you need to work on your memory skills. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Proof always boils down to a matter of belief and facts are simply agreements.
In truth, everything is just point of view and opinion. JB |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner
But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner.. THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
SkyHook5652
on
Thu 09/04/08 11:48 AM
|
|
In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner
But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner.. THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it. You obviously didn't read (or chose to ignore) my post regarding the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research. If you care to go back and read it, I cut-and-pasted the most relevant paragraph from their findings. Or if you'd like it straight from the hoses mouth, here is the link: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/remote_perception.html |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I did read that hogwash.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I did read that hogwash. Are you saying that you believe all 650 instances documented by the Princeton University research team to be just "hogwash"? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Jeanniebean
on
Thu 09/04/08 12:22 PM
|
|
In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner
But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner.. THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it. Yes they have. I have a good friend who went to a seminar especially for this specific purpose. It was to test (and maybe learn) how to do this. The man who gave the seminar (not surprisingly) was a CIA agent (claimed to be X-CIA, but there is no such thing as X-CIA) who was masquerading as a minister of some kind of church in Colorado Springs. My friend was the only person in the group who could actually see around the corner and she described exactly what he was looking at. For some reason, he seemed perturbed by her abilities. I told her she should stay far away from any CIA agents. They are just NOT TO BE TRUSTED for the most part. JB |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I did read that hogwash. Are you saying that you believe all 650 instances documented by the Princeton University research team to be just "hogwash"? Lol! You just read stuff and assume its true and twist it to help confirm what you think is true. It actually says.. 'Over its long history, PEAR has accumulated over 650 remote perception trials, performed over several phases of investigation.' So there have been 650 trials. Not 650 successful trials. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
In other words, RV is like seeing an object around a corner via the use of a mirror, whereas OBE is like actually going around the corner
But still NOBODY has EVER in a controlled environment been able to successfully say what was around the corner.. THAT is the proof that both are not possible. So many people claim to have this skill, but nobody has ever been able to show that they can do it. Yes they have. I have a good friend who went to a seminar especially for this specific purpose. It was to test (and maybe learn) how to do this. The man who gave the seminar (not surprisingly) was a CIA agent (claimed to be X-CIA, but there is no such thing as X-CIA) who was masquerading as a minister of some kind of church in Colorado Springs. My friend was the only person in the group who could actually see around the corner and she described exactly what he was looking at. For some reason, he seemed perturbed by her abilities. I told her she should stay far away from any CIA agents. They are just NOT TO BE TRUSTED for the most part. JB Does she not realise then that she could earn MILLIONS with this skill? Your story is not proof, it is a story. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
SkyHook5652
on
Thu 09/04/08 12:40 PM
|
|
I did read that hogwash. Are you saying that you believe all 650 instances documented by the Princeton University research team to be just "hogwash"? Lol! You just read stuff and assume its true and twist it to help confirm what you think is true. It actually says.. 'Over its long history, PEAR has accumulated over 650 remote perception trials, performed over several phases of investigation.' So there have been 650 trials. Not 650 successful trials. No. It is YOU who have taken ONE sentence out of a 35 page report, and twisted it to help confirm what YOU think is true. |
|
|
|
|
