That doesn't prove that time exists. It just proves that it seems to exist. It is not always the simplest answer that is the correct one. Reality as a whole is very complex. Time seems to flow linearly only because of the direction we are looking. If we turned our heads, (really turned them) we'd be able to look either way.

If we postulate that free will is dependent upon physical laws, then of course the concept contradicts the postulate. As I've said before, the very concept of free will contradicts the deteministic/probablilistic postulate that is the foundation of science. Thus, free will is not a scientific concept, it is a philosophical one.


That particular experiment (http://www.consciousentities.com/libet.htm) has several disputable points in premise, procedure and conclusion.

Yes, but again, free will, by definition, cannot be dependent upon either a deterministic or a random system. Arguing that it cannot exist because it contradicts the laws of the physical universe is meaningless. The fact that it contradicts those laws is the very thing that makes it what it is. That is its defining feature.

I agree with Jeannie, she just words it better than me!

Comparing a brain to a computer is a good analogy. But a computer, no matter how good it is put together, will only do what it is programed to do. It will not go out and find its own programing and install it. (Unless it is programed to do so.) It will not uninstall programs it does not like. It does not think. It only processes information and runs programs. It only does what it is programed to do.

So the brain is not the person and it does not make conscious choices, it only processes programs. Neither does the brain go out and find programs and install them or delete programs on its own that it does not like.

The brain does not think. It only runs programs. It does not make decisions outside of its programing instructions. Most decisions people make are a result of programing and are mostly automatic and unconscious.

In some computers there are learning programs that actually learn new things. There is probably a learning program in the human brain too that makes it appear that the brain can think, but it does not think, it only collects new information via sensory input and processes it. It may then make "decisions" according to the new information it has gathered but that is still only part of the programing.

lust would be the word. Not love, What if the person turned out to be a loser with no job and on drugs etc etc. Would u still love them after finding that out ?...more than likely you would pass on that.

you have to ignore the staples in the middle of the page!!

Now, the bothersome door-knocking habit of missionaries is not that common in my whereabouts, but that does not mean you will not get your fair share of threshold-to-threshold ministry. The only time when I did get what seemed like an alien invasion was when I was staying at a friend's house in New Jersey. I would be lying if I wanted to tell you with strict precision which church they belonged to, but they did have an excellent sense of the opportunity and approached me when I was to walk my friend's dog in the morning or early evening. When intercepted, I tried hard to be polite and defer the encounter for later, the usual word I resorted to being "tomorrow". Such term bore literal interpretation value to them, so the next day I was once again questioned about my beliefs and deeds (the latter being far more interesting than the former).

Perhaps you will not be surprised if I disclosed my feeling of anxiety every time my friend's cute puppy made for the kitchen to fetch the leash. I did not take their intervention in my affairs as a game of wits or a personal offense; to me, it was just another waste of time and energy caused by wrong assumptions as regards the universe and its tenants. Intellectual sloth, at its best; intellectual irresponsibility, if bad comes to worse.

They say human beings are capable of a certain reasoning process called abduction. I did not know whether the answer I came up with to disrupt my adversaries' assets (infinite patience, endless resilience and imperviousness to rudeness -not that I tried to test this last one-) was ethically adequate, but my meager brains were not in a position to snatch a more promising option than prejudice. I had long suspected that conversion was the aim of each and every group of door-bangers, and that the capture of a non-believer's flag would be the ultimate prize. My advice to those of you still striving to be left alone is NEVER to reveal you are either atheists or agnostics. Such blunder would amount to exposing a juicy flank to their guns. Instead, I opted for an easy way out, however vile, however tricky. I just said I was Jewish (I am not, in fact). After seeing an undecipherable look (maybe a bit of a glare) mask their faces, and their faces become fast-disappearing backs under a wintry morning sun, I saw them no more. My ruse did not work just once, but twice, the second time in another country, another cultural environment, and definitely another religious denomination.

Jews are not indeed famous for proselytizing, but I wonder whether my stratagem would have succeeded the other way round.

As far as I know, "trumping experiment" has never been the purpose of any theory or philosophy, or the desire of any theoretician or philosopher.

Science is nothing more than the study of forces and matter and what we can observe and measure, it is a system designed to be objective and build upon confirmed therorys or laws until they are demonstarted not be. Nothing more nothing less, religion implies or is defined by a set of morals or beliefs which seems to be concerned with governing the conduct of human beings, science has no such set of rules and anyone can be one, beliefs and requirements which demand obediance to ideas that are unprovable or can not be demonstarted is what science is not. Religion seeks to preserve its ideas at all cost where as science will readily give up an idea proven faulty or unprovable. This is why some scientists are agnostic, this make religious people think that science is anti religion. So they "meaning some religious people" have tried to argue that nothing is provable and therefore science is a belief or religion. Howevr the characteristics of the two are remarkably differant.

Well said this made my day.

well according to christianity, time does not really exist, god created it because our simple minds couldnt grasp the concept of eternity!!

No, not jerks.... either nice guys or emotionally unavailable.... or sociopaths....

No, wait, that means jerks... you were right.

Kidding, OP.

I changed around some things so there is nothing sexual about it! I wanna know what you think! I crave other peoples opinions! lol