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Okay, well... ummm I am close to calling this just what it is in language that would likely get me permanently barred. Gio, you were married in the catholic church. You and your spouse married with the blessing of your families, the church and the state. You enjoyed the benefits and privileges of marriage. Silly stuff eh? You failed. Lots of heterosexuals fail at marriage. Given the approximate 50% failure rate don't you think heterosexuals make a pretty poor argument for the sanctity of marriage? Your freeway analogy sucks. Anyway, let's go back to the 50's. Such good times...*COUGH* my freeway analogy is only to prove the point that the discrimination is not against the person...it is 100% correct !...in this country...all laws discriminate against behavior...  ...
so when the law was that a black person could not drink from a white persons water founton was that a law against the behavior or the person? Because that would be a better example. once again...that wrong has been righted...that was not discrimination against behavior...that was discrimination against a person...let's take this a step further...when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus only because they were black...that's discrimination against a person...because...they were doing exactly what white people were doing...riding a bus...implying that homosexuals face the same discrimination...is completely false... it is exactly the same. But the bigots of the time saw it as a law against their behavior also. So i do not expect you to understand. |
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Scientology?
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it's just another cult.
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Okay, well... ummm I am close to calling this just what it is in language that would likely get me permanently barred. Gio, you were married in the catholic church. You and your spouse married with the blessing of your families, the church and the state. You enjoyed the benefits and privileges of marriage. Silly stuff eh? You failed. Lots of heterosexuals fail at marriage. Given the approximate 50% failure rate don't you think heterosexuals make a pretty poor argument for the sanctity of marriage? Your freeway analogy sucks. Anyway, let's go back to the 50's. Such good times...*COUGH* my freeway analogy is only to prove the point that the discrimination is not against the person...it is 100% correct !...in this country...all laws discriminate against behavior... ...
so when the law was that a black person could not drink from a white persons water founton was that a law against the behavior or the person? Because that would be a better example. |
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Scientology?
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Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7]
I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant.Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? did you watch the vid or just makeing assumptions? It is L.Ron himself. |
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Scientology?
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Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7]
I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant.Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? Lemme see if I got this straight... Something like 35 million written and spoken words, but all anyone needs to know about the subject is a couple hundred of them (less than .0001% - taken out of context) plus a South Park episode? yes |
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GOD is everywhere. We should not have to make new laws to accomadate anyone. In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, not a Adam and Adam. For some reason American has become a "let's please everyone" except the majority! Shame on you all. yes the majority should be able to trample the rights of the minority. You are right. We screwed up when we gave the blacks the right to vote, I mean come on they are a minority they diserve no rights. I like the way you think. You should come to the next klan rally. Realy, this is not a democracy, it is a republic look up the diffrence. So Shame On You! |
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ARGUMENT FROM BIBLICAL PROPHECY (1) The book of Daniel made some prophecies. (2) The prophecy was later fulfilled by other records in the Book of Daniel. (3) The prophecy came true! (4) Therefore, God exists.  Exactly
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Were Back
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is there a coffee house for the rational? or just a christian one? understood |
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Topic:
Were Back
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is there a coffee house for the rational?
or just a christian one? |
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Scientology?
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Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard.[1] Hubbard developed Scientology teachings in 1952 as a successor to his earlier self-help system, Dianetics.[2] Hubbard later characterized Scientology as an "applied religious philosophy" and the basis for a new religion with the first Scientology church being established in New Jersey, December 1953.[3][4][5] A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished.[6][7]
I believe some of it. Some of it I know for a fact to be true. Most of it is, as you say, crap, just like most biased, vitrolic attacks on anything of which the attackers are, for all practical purposes, completely ignorant.
Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology. There are a large number of organizations overseeing the application of Scientology, many of which are separate legal entities.[10] These organizations have remained highly controversial since their inception. Most notable of these organizations is the Church of Scientology, whose primary concern is to uphold the belief system of Scientology. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult [11][12][13][14][15][16] and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Critics claim that the organization has a history of harassing its critics and abusing the trust of its members.[14][16][17][18][15][19] Time Magazine describes Scientology as "a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." [14] Scientology has consistently litigated most actions which it has perceived to be threatening. One major litigation point is that of copyright infringement.[20][21] The Church of Scientology upholds the notion that individuals can discover for themselves whether Scientology works through personal observation and experience rather than blind faith.[citation needed] The Church promotes a type of counseling called "auditing" as a means of spiritual rehabilitation.[3] Scientology runs several promotion campaigns through closely related organizations[10][22] in the form of a set of moral standards, an anti-drug program, an education methodology, a volunteer organization and a business management method. Do you believe in this crap? the vid I posted tell all anyone needs to know about the cult. |
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Scientology?
Edited by
Seamonster
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Sat 12/06/08 06:46 PM
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This is scientology, strait from L.Ron's mouth.
And south Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bzcGK9xqEU |
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Edited by
Seamonster
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Sat 12/06/08 06:47 PM
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idk. whover designed the human body was pretty intelligent. my "idea" is life (and the universe) is too complex to consider that it was not created by some masterful wonderful intelligent being. so..How, seamonster, do you think we got here? fossils and anylazing rock stuff dont explain anything to me. God worked in his own timezone and fossils just prove life exists and was complex way long ago. im talking about the first organic life. where do you think it came from?? how do you think it resulted?? and why shouldn't both of these "ideas" get valid and equal research. from students. O.K. But if they get equal time then so does the idea that we came here because an evil alien put us here to hide us from other aliens.(scientology) It would be immopsible to give every idea equal time. The truth is I don't know how we got here. But niether does anyone else. But to just jump on any crackpot idea that comes down the pike with no evidence to back it up is nits, and then to demand that all children be taught every crazy idea, and call those ideas theories is also nuts and wrong. ID can never make it to the point of theory because there is no evidence of it. It is as strong an idea as the scientologest one. |
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If ID is just a theory..why hasnt it been disproved. 
if evolution is completly factual and answers all the questions...why is it still considered a theory??
First ID is not a theory. It's an idea. a theory develops from an idea the origin of life.. we either were created.. or we arose spontaneously from something right and ID has not got past the idea faze. it is not a theory. |
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If ID is just a theory..why hasnt it been disproved.
if evolution is completly factual and answers all the questions...why is it still considered a theory??
First ID is not a theory. It's an idea. |
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will wal-mart kill us all
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Mr. Walton started something great in my city. He paid most of it too. Our city schools lost their accreditation. Walton made a financial scholarship program for the low income city children. It's pays $1,500 a year per child to attend a school of their choice. It covers kindergarten through 8th grade. I think it was offered to 100 children in a lottery. Thousands applied for it. This also helped the private schools that were losing attendance. The kids are getting a better education. I remember When John Gotti gave a huge amount of money to help build a childrens hospitol in N.Y. Everyone loved him for it. did that make him a good person? |
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For how many years have we listened to the republican chant government is the problem and not the solution? This is what you get when you cut funding to the government, less inspectors to catch these criminals and they know it. The odds of being inspected are slim to none. Thanks republicans you trashed our coountry from top to bottem. agreed, They have damn near destroyed this country for profit. The amazing thing is that there are people that hate america so much that they still support them. |
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The Catholic church put him under house arrest when he was around 70 yrs. old. He died of natural causes during that time. You know that because it was recorded by historians of his time. The Bible is largely historical documents made by the Israelite people. If one is willing to question one historical document, then one must question ALL historical documents on the same grounds to be intellectually consistent. That is the point Eljay is making. Elhay said, "Hitler has been documented on film - Galileo was not. At least use an alagogy that applies." Like you said, Galileo's life was recorded by historians of his time. Yes Winx - that was my point. You see the argument that started this thread was that there is no reliable source to support Creationism, so it shouldn't be taught in school - Yet we should accept Evolution as reliable? Why is that. The argument is to rely on the testimony of scientists and their eyewitness account. What makes that account any more reliable than those who walked with Jesus and recorded what he did and said? So - Evolutionists seek to deny the right of children in our school systems to be taught BOTH "theories", and determine for themselves what is true through learning how to research both theories. They scream and yell "Intollerant", "bias", etc - yet they are the one's refusing to allow balance in what is taught in the schools. It is their fear which is causing the statitistics on ignorance to steadily climb. Fossils. now show me some jesus bones and you have an argument until then you have one book. |
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 My twelve year old just got home from school. I asked her how we we were made. she said our mommys and daddys. i said no silly how did the human race get started? she said adam and eve.
I then asked her who put adam and eve here? and she said God. I told her never to forget that. This SHOULD be reinforced in schools. BUT since its not, I can reinforce it in my home.
right, and you can reinforce that the world is flat and that the best way to get though life is to not think and just live by fear. She sould be fine, the world needs more ditch diggers anyway. Christians have never accepted that the earth is flat. Those Christians in the past who pushed that belief were ex-communicated. One of the first Christians to be ex-communicated was excommunicated for teaching that the earth was flat. Humans have known for 2400 years that the earth was not flat. The claim that people believed in a flat earth during the middle ages is used to make Christians look stupid. But it works the other way, because what is exposed is that you don't know an obvious historical fact. well Galileo and copernicus will be glad to here that. Because when Galileo spent the last yrs. of his life locked up by the christian church because of his ideas on the universe didnt jive with the bible he will be glad to know that it didnt realy happen. How do you know Galileo spent the last years of his life locked up by the Christian church? Can you provide evidence of this as fact? from wikipedia: Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime. The geocentric view had been dominant since the time of Aristotle, and the controversy engendered by Galileo's presentation of heliocentrism as proven fact resulted in the Catholic Church's prohibiting its advocacy as empirically proven fact, because it was not empirically proven at the time and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture. Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Roman Inquisition. I see - so your authority is winkipedia. And are you assuming that the author of this information was there? Again I ask - give me a "reliable" source. Not someone who read a book by someone who read a book about someone who read a book. You tell me that the bible is a bunch of stories - and you rely on Wink-a-whatever for your facts. Please. ok i never realy ever say this about anyone but you are an idiot. it is no wonder why you do not understand evolution, you can't even grasp basic history. your agrument is stupid. it's like saying how do you know hitler was a real person, were you there? did you know him? realy dude read a book sometime. besides the bible. you probably have'nt read that either. i'm not going to do all your research for you, you may actually have to look something up yourself. I know it means reading and possibly learning but try it out just once you may like it, who knows. To quote one of my favolrite songs... "I may be an idiot - but indeed I am no fool" I'm sure you were attempting to make a point here but I find it difficult dumbing down to your level to find it. I did not say that the point you made was incorrect - I asked you how you were able to verify it. You did understand that didn't you? Spider got it right away. What was your problem? I don't need you to do any research for me - I suggest you do it for yourself. Pick up a book on logic and dicover what a "false premise is". Hitler has been documented on film - Galileo was not. At least use an alagogy that applies. Having read your posts - I've forgotten more about the bible than you've demonstrated you know. How many times have you read it? Think because you took a college course or two that you've got it over on everyone? Wake up. Back your statements up with some facts. Show some understanding here. Not everyone is convinced that "Evolution as an origin of the Species" is fact - since there are no facts that support it without accepting unprovable postulates and premises that can't be supported. Demonstate if you will how the earth being billions of years old can be supported through science without having to accept "uniformalism" as fact, which is unprovable. But you knew that right? Because you've done the research like I have. Or... Have you? I know very little about you - so I won't make the mistake of saying that you haven't read the bible dozens of times like I have - or read three books a week, or have two degree's, have taught in High School and college, because I know you wouldn't make idiot statements like that about me since you know nothing about me. And if you ever get around it - answer me how it is you know that the testimonies you read about Galileo on Winkapedia are true, and the testimonies about Jesus in the bible are fairy tales. I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how you reason things out. you have shown everyone the light thank you. Galileo was not ordered by the church under arrest because it is not on film. how could everyone have been so stupid. What I don't understand is why you are not teaching people like Hawkins and Cox. You are truly the most enightend person to ever wlak this planet that your upright walking god poofed here. again thank you for showing us that if it is not on film then it did not happen. |
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My twelve year old just got home from school. I asked her how we we were made. she said our mommys and daddys. i said no silly how did the human race get started? she said adam and eve.
I then asked her who put adam and eve here? and she said God. I told her never to forget that. This SHOULD be reinforced in schools. BUT since its not, I can reinforce it in my home.
right, and you can reinforce that the world is flat and that the best way to get though life is to not think and just live by fear. She sould be fine, the world needs more ditch diggers anyway. Christians have never accepted that the earth is flat. Those Christians in the past who pushed that belief were ex-communicated. One of the first Christians to be ex-communicated was excommunicated for teaching that the earth was flat. Humans have known for 2400 years that the earth was not flat. The claim that people believed in a flat earth during the middle ages is used to make Christians look stupid. But it works the other way, because what is exposed is that you don't know an obvious historical fact. well Galileo and copernicus will be glad to here that. Because when Galileo spent the last yrs. of his life locked up by the christian church because of his ideas on the universe didnt jive with the bible he will be glad to know that it didnt realy happen. How do you know Galileo spent the last years of his life locked up by the Christian church? Can you provide evidence of this as fact? from wikipedia: Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime. The geocentric view had been dominant since the time of Aristotle, and the controversy engendered by Galileo's presentation of heliocentrism as proven fact resulted in the Catholic Church's prohibiting its advocacy as empirically proven fact, because it was not empirically proven at the time and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture. Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Roman Inquisition. I see - so your authority is winkipedia. And are you assuming that the author of this information was there? Again I ask - give me a "reliable" source. Not someone who read a book by someone who read a book about someone who read a book. You tell me that the bible is a bunch of stories - and you rely on Wink-a-whatever for your facts. Please. ok i never realy ever say this about anyone but you are an idiot. it is no wonder why you do not understand evolution, you can't even grasp basic history. your agrument is stupid. it's like saying how do you know hitler was a real person, were you there? did you know him? realy dude read a book sometime. besides the bible. you probably have'nt read that either. i'm not going to do all your research for you, you may actually have to look something up yourself. I know it means reading and possibly learning but try it out just once you may like it, who knows. |
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What would you do?
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No such thing as a perfect Christian. Shoots any of that stuff to heck!!! Of course we think of things like this. But, as God made us with FREE WILL, we as individuals must make our own decisions. And, I don't think for one moment that God wouldn't allow an unbaptised child into heaven just because the parents had yet to get around to it or wouldn't do it. This is one bucket of worms and there will be 1,000,001 versions of definitions and aspects, so I'm stopping now. That doesn't exactly answer the question. A baby is a baby, too young to be a nonbeliever. Maybe I shouldn't have said a perfect christian, but I think you know what I am getting at, your just not willing to answer it.. grin! Free will doesn't answer the question either. What would you do if your life long friend or non believing family member was not accepted into heaven and you were? Would your loyalty to God be more of a pull then you loyalty to your family member or friend? and if you get unto heaven and your child does not and you have to go through eternity knowing that your child is burnning for eternity, then realy what kind of heaven is that anyway? And if you say well you'll forget them. What if I don't want to forget them? |
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