I personally saw nothing wrong with the speech in itself. I saw no indoctrination within its words, but I really do question the motive for such a load of crap.

I'm not ripping the speech itself, just the reasoning for even making the speech... I mean, is it really necessary for the president to fly somewhere just to give a little motivational pep-talk like it's going to make a real difference? Is some kid going to say "you know, I've had dozens of adults tell me I'm going down a bad path, but he's right. I'm going to change my ways."

I also am curious what was originally slated to be on that speech, because that was way too far from being political for any politician, and I'm pretty sure we've established he's no different than anyone else.

The only thing I see here that is racist is your own statement. You have no idea why the parents protested and immediately assume it is because he his black... prejudice based on race = racism.

BTW, you making a comment on others' ignorance like that is like the pot calling the kettle black.

posted this yesterday off fox news... glad to see other outlets are showing it too.

Actually, he's very libertarian/constitutionalist and the only one to hold everyone and everything to the same standard that I have seen. Just look at his record and how he campaigned. he practices what he preaches. He may no be perfect, but he's the best example of a good politician I've seen in recent times.

I'm betting he's registered republican because that's where his economic values lie (true republican values, not bush and co values) and knows he'll never get elected on a third party ticket. kind of hard to mess with the system if you can't get inside..

Werd. Bush was no better than Obama. he just stole liberties from a different jar. All in all, they're all politicians and none of them are any different. It's all the same personal agenda and lies.

If they did wrong, they need to be prosecuted. Yes, the Geneva conventions regarding torture and the like are not applicable, but I feel that if they did something wrong, they should be tried, if for nothing else, waging warfare dressed as civilians (correct me if this is not applicable but I think I remember reading this is considered a war crime.)

sorry lol. There are people around here that wouldn't surprise me if they posted this as a true, viable solution.

Arj Barker has the best joke about it.

"You know, when the earth heats up, it's automatically the earth's problem. Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, you know, it's the sun's problem? I mean when my living room gets hot, I don't blame the living room."

We assume it's all about the earth and we are completely arrogant to belive that we have that much an impact. Besides, we are an incredibly small proportion of the world and if only the US (hell, throw canada, europe, and japan in there and we're still outnumbered) go for reform, we are not going to save anything.

Ironically, it will put us at an economic disadvantage from all the external costs we have internalized while nations like China make a financial killing as they pollute.

I have made plenty. I really don't feel I have to waste my time in order to apease a hypocrite like yourself. I'm done with you. You're nothing but a troll around here.

So, again, how is it a non-crisis that there is no money there to give and a whole pile of debt?

I pretty much take this with a grain of salt as Fox is the only one reporting it thus far. I'm just saying that if it turns out to be true, it's some scary **** how much we are setting ourselves up for the ultimate failure. and btw, while fox is definitely against him, MSNBC can't seem to get his wang out their mouths long enough to criticize a thing. there are always both sides and they will reverse based on who is in office.


and I too, dragoness, am curious as to your logic. why should the government not be concerned with the deficit and what should the primary concern be. please show your work.

DISCLAIMER: This is not about partisanship. This is a post about how our nation is taking it in the @ss while politicians continue to spend hand over fist. Yes, Bush's administration along with the Republican and Democratic led congress ran up record deficits, but the past cannot be changed and it does not justify further incompetence and frivolous spending by the other side now. This is about the here and now.

And yes, this is FOX news. Don't attack the source. I cannot find it on any other site yet, but I'm not posting this as the end of the world either, it's just a heads-up of what is possible to come and written on the assumption that it turns out to be true.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/21/official-obama-increase-year-deficit-trillion/

The projected deficit is about to be re-estimated by the White House to be $9 trillion over the next 10 years, up two trillion from earlier this year. let that sink in... we are expected to nearly double our deficit from a year ago in the next 10 years.

Right now, we are fast approacing 12 trillion dollars. We are within $2T dollars of our national GDP last year. This is scary stuff. If the deficit reaches that much higher in the next decade, we will be paying half our income (adjusted for income with the current rates) to the federal government JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST ON OUR DEBT!

If you're willing to sit idly by and allow our elected officials to piss away every dime of our funding, so be it. I feel sorry that you are so easily duped and led to the slaughter. We need accountability. We need to stand against this.

We are in a vicious circle right now. We are increasing spending that is increasing our debt which, in turn, increases our interest liabilities every year, decreasing expendible income and further increasing borrowing, speeding up the whole process. This is no longer about benefits for all or wartime spending. This is about the end of the US as we know it.

There are two ways out of this that are likely to happen (fiscal responsibility being the third that is not probable): default, and suffer the international consequences (our collapse as a superpower as we are cut off from international manufacturing), or raise taxes.

I expect the latter.

Whether we know what it's like or not, it's still a racist statement. I don't consider him to be a full-on racist either, but that is a racist statement.

He has made racist statements, that is for sure. The police officer is a prime example of prejudice. He assumed because the police officer was white and the professor black, that his race was an issue even after admitting he did not know the facts. That, is a racist statement any way you look at it. prejudice based on race = racism whether black, white, or brown.

The sad part is that if I had made a similar statement with the colors reversed, I'd have been lynched for it. With him, only Fox reported on it from my knowledge.

like I said, it's technically a "permit" to print money.

What does it cost to get it out of the ground? Oil is not one cost to extract... The Saudis, for example, practically have a spigot. They turn on the valve and the oil starts flowing for less than $20 a barrel. Canada, on the other hand has some of the largest reserves in the world, but it's over three times as expensive to extract.

While the street value may be $5T plus, that does us no good if it's $80 a barrel to extract.

i just said the reason it's in crisis is the government "borrowing" it lol. i mean, they're legally allowed to do it, but that does not make it right.

neither is comparing us to canada or france, but you guys seem to think that's a valid comparison.

Tell me, why is that not a valid option or an accurate pilot program? what is so wrong with it besides you not liking it? how about a reason or logical argument here...

you obviously do not understand the principles of economics. This would lead to nothing but inflation on a mass scale and a temporary blip on the housing/automotive market. And, as previously mentioned, the $50,000,000,000,000 required to cover it all being it's almost five times our current national debt.

I was just as pissed at Bush... unfortunately, that is the past and unless you have some marvelous f*cking time machine... that cannot be changed. I'm dealing with the here and now, and still pissed

You, however, are completely ok with all this even though it's the same irresponsibility that we had under W. But, since it's your guy, there's not a word from you bad about it.

I judge both sides equally... you, however are showing hypocrisy with every post you make.

only because of distrobution. Look where we are in quality of care.

#1. I see no problem if I know i have access to the best care in the world.