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This CRAP you are reading in the OP are the last gasps of a failed Republican Party. They know that when this passes, they are doomed! 
They are fighting tooth and nail to oppose anything that looks like reform. you know, it's funny. From the middle, I see the exact opposite. I see a democratic party drunk with power and bickering over every little ounce of what they want, while the republicans have something to unify themselves against. The democrats currently have the power to pass anything they want, but they have not. That should be telling you something. |
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I am paying $180. Mo. for Blue Cross. So thats $2160. a year. I was uninsured for a long time. Young people are not going to be able to do it. That's the irony of it. Sure, auto insurance is a requirement, but you can opt-out of it by not buying a car. With no loophole to opt out, how can everyone afford it without giving it away? |
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Over 10% unemployment
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ya well go figure its obviously gonna be trail and error when ur tryin to find some new way to do business...it seems kinda funny to hold one man responsible for a nations dilemma... Between my company and personal finance it took quite a few tries to set up a method that's really functional....I imagine our nations budget is quite a bit more complicated it seems as if people either want to give obama total fault or credit for the outcome... I don't think he's personally responsible for alot of the writing or even creation of alot of these ideas ...I'm sure he's told what the intention of the main bill is without calling attention to the many underwritings writted into bills...it seems he's approving and backing ideas... Unfortunately alot of ideas only work on paper I'm sorry, but guess and check is not a proper way to run a nation. What we had before worked, whether you thought it fair or not (because it wasn't. That was the beauty of it) and what we are headed to is a failure of epic proportions. I hope people can start to see just how empty all his promises of hope and change really were. Sure, the GDP rose and the stock market is up, but check out just about every other indicator and nothing has become any better. I guess if you lie to yourself enough, eventually you start to believe it. |
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Then why, in the latest polls, do 75% of the American people want to have the choice of a PUBLIC OPTION? 
According to Gallup, 30% will advise their congressperson to vote against any healthcare bill. 75% + 30% = 105%. I can back up my number, where the hell are you getting yours from? |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? |
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i don't watch fox news cause i'm a liberal..as for the USA being liberal that was a good one.most people were liberals when they were younger but as they got older and didnt want their kids to do the samethings they did like ,get knocked up at an early age or drink alcohol they became conservatives. anyway i could careless about fox news.
I used to feel the same way as you do until I started having debates with people and asked them where they got their skewed ideas. It came from Fox. So I began to watch it to see what it was that was causing this misinformation. Fox is not the only cause but being considered "mainstream" it gets more viewers than other right wing propaganda outlets. I have no issue with them as long as they tell the truth about their "news". It is not fair and balanced. Neither is anyone else. Their news programs are actually pretty accurate (there are always exceptions, of course) but to go and say that Fox is not news but MSNBC is is both naive and hypocritical. |
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These post's are boring, smelly, old and lame! hello, mr. pot |
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GASP! Shame on the rich for being prosperous!! How dare they bust their arse building a business from that began as a very small company. How dare they make money for something they have done! If I were to become rich because I busted my rump means I'm disconnected from people and reality? Geez people!! 
Seriously. If you can't understand what she's aaying, there is even less hope for you than I thought. |
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All this debt represents is the Empire our country's banking system built. You and I are pretty much slaves to the largest banks in the world. Through inflation we can offset the debt, but, that would involve creating more debt. This paradox is the evil of having a Central Bank, and using debt as currency instead of something like a precious metal. To fix this problem, people must first accept that the government cannot afford to take care of them from cradel to grave. This means people must start taking on responsibility for themselves, and get involved in their community. I have often said, that giving money to a third party is no substitute for getting off your arse and cooking a meal or helping to babysit. IF and only if, we can achieve the above, we can dismantle our central bank, and withdraw troops from every country around the world. (Currenty the U.S. has troops in 130 different countries.) This would almost eliminate war, because empires, like the U.S. would stop controlling and taxing every other country. By doing this we can focus on things like education, so our societies may evolve. I believe prosperity can only be achieved by the individual, if that said individual is given the power to prosper. This means smaller government. So much energy can be redirected to growth... Yup, people have become accustomed to EXPECT funds from the government. It's now a "Where's my Money attitude". A lot of Americans work long and hard and are never eligible to get any government help and I often wonder if those that get the money even appreciate the fact that someone else is working their arse off providing the funds through taxes. Isn't that funny that all those working their arses off are getting the most from the government in tax deductions alone. Corporate welfare is just as bad or worse as individuals asking for help from the government and cost the middle class more. Being that those on top pay a far larger share and receive less to begin with, I don't see it as a bad thing. I love how equality is a one way street. |
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Edited by
AndrewAV
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Sun 10/25/09 09:26 PM
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As usual, the OP leaves out very important details that make all the difference. Like all other insurers, health insurance companies invest the premiums they collect almost immediately. So let's think hard here, kiddies-- what could be the reason :::cough Dow Jones losses:::: their profits are ::::cough AIG! CDOs!::::: 'low' as reported for this year? So instead of worrying about 'Death Panels', why isn't someone worried about what would happen if the Free Market fanatics were to get their way and have your insurance company take stupid risks with your premiums and then not pay your claims when the well runs dry? And say, "Tough luck, they deserved to go out of business" while you are forced into bankruptcy or worse. -Kerry O.
The industry's overall profits grew only 8.8 percent from 2003 to 2008, and its margins year to year, from 2005 forward, never cracked 8 percent. obviously profits are consistent and the Dow doesn't have the impact as u state. From your very own original post: Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. 8.8 % is a LOT more money in the bank than 2 % when we're talking about billions in premiums. Simple arithmetic and the point can be made with figures from your very own posts. Obviously the health insurers aren't going broke because of all the lobbying money they're throwing around. -Kerry O. I don't know the actual numbers so I'm not defending them, but I'm just pointing out that he said profits grew 8.8%. That means if you made a 2% profit, now you make a 2.18% profit. |
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I don't think the majority of people on here even know what prosperity is... Unfortunately we'd need to understand economics 101... +infinity. I really wish that economics would be a bit more prominent in all education but sadly, people are left in the dark. |
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Wag the Dog at its best.. I thought Clinton bombing the Hell out of Serbia to cover his cumstains on Monicas dress was bad... But... Here we go again.. Remember when Obama made Limbaugh the focus of his ire back when they were ramming the stimulus through Congress? Hmmm.. Now we have the healthcare debacle and his Afghanistan waffling, so the White House is out again changing the topic and trashing Fox News.. Quite a few sheeple chiming in on this post.. The pied piper posts it and sheep come a runnin.. So you condone perjury in a federal court? Sex is sex and BJ means nothing, but telling that lie on the stand should have led to impeachment and removal from office. if anyone else did that, it's 20 years. also, clinton did nothing to encourage that growth but keep his hands out of it by letting the tech companies take off (hey! that means no regulating them to ****!). Even if it was entirely his fault, HE LIED TO A FEDERAL GRAND JURY! That's all that should matter. |
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Norway takes the number one spot in the annual United Nations human development index released Monday but China has made the biggest strides in improving the well-being of its citizens. The index compiled by the UN Development Programme (UNDP) ranks 182 countries based on such criteria as life expectancy, literacy, school enrolment and gross domestic product (GDP) per capita. Norway, Australia and Iceland took the first three spots while Niger ranks at the very bottom, just below Afghanistan. China moved up seven places on the list to rank as the 92nd most developed country due to improvements in education as well as income levels and life expectancy. Colombia and Peru rose five spaces to rank 77th and 78th while France -- which was not part of the top 10 last year -- returns to the upper echelons by moving up three places to number 8. The UNDP said the index highlights the grave disparities between rich and poor countries. A child born in Niger can expect to live to just over 50, which is 30 years less than a child born in Norway. For every dollar a person earns in Niger, 85 dollars are earned in Norway. This year's index was based on data from 2007 and does not take into account the impact of the global economic crisis. "Many countries have experienced setbacks over recent decades, in the face of economic downturns, conflict-related crises and the HIV and AIDS epidemic," said the UN development report's author Jeni Klugman. "And this was even before the impact of the current global financial crisis was felt." Afghanistan, which returns to the list for the first time since 1996, is the only Asian country among the bottom ten which also include Sierra Leone in the 180th spot, just below the Central African Republic. The top ten countries listed on the index are: Norway, Australia, Iceland, Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, France, Switzerland and Japan. The United States ranks 13th, down one spot from last year. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091005/ts_afp/undevelopmentpoverty_20091005115324 Take note all the top ten have universal healthcare The top 10 also do not have over 300 million citizens. The top 10 also are not the largest developing nation of new medical procedures and medicines. The top 10 also do not have our obesity rate (austrailia is closest at almost 2/3 our rate but the others are under half.) The #1 nation also pays over 17% more of its GDP in taxes than the US. In fact, most of the top 10 pay more of their GDP than us. Comparing us to other nations is apples and oranges. It seems that neither side of the universal healthcare argument can get their heads around that concept. |
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Hopefully, this will make the supporters of Government health care want to move to Norway and leave me and my money alone!
adopt me and get me on your plan daddy I need your plan. luckily my son is under his dad's Actually, they're afraid because the federal government does not have to run in the black to stick around. a public option is unfair competition due the very nature of our government's actions. There is no incentive to break even for the government so all a public option would be is a price ceiling, killing off the private companies one by one as it begins to fall down. |
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total chickensh*t. if the administration will release the old photos that show what the last administration allowed, then they should have the cajones to do the same.
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doesn't surprise me. GM killed Saturn years ago and made it a cookie-cutter GM company. I wouldn't want to buy that epic failure either. At one time, it was one of GM's most profitable companies where customers were actually happy... then they decided to make every one of their cars on GM platforms and the satisfaction tanked.
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I think a lot of it has to be how kids are being treated. My ex's brother is 22 and his mom paid for everything down to giving him a credit card for his gas. it was sad. He just parties every night with no real responsibility. I've seen this in many cases.
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I was all on the algae bio fuel bandwagon till I did some research on it there is no production facilty capable of mass producing algae bio fuel for less than around $30 a gallon. Oil would have to be $800 a barrel for this to be economically viable the land area for algae bio fuels to replace even half of our gas consumption would require 10% of the land area in the United States maybe in 20 years or so they can advance it enough to be viable but it aint there yet http://snrecmitigation.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/bleak-future-for-mass-production-of-algae-biodiesel/ http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf exactly. it's fine in the sense of old cooking oil where a byproduct is used, but creating biodiesel is far too expensive. right now, petroleum is our most economically viable option. Forcing another onto the population will not help anything but special interests. |
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The only way we are not going to be a danger to the environment is if we go back to horse and buggy.
You are totally correct. Even things like solar energy, wind power, and water power have adverse affects on the ecosystem. The problem is that people are so wasteful these days. When you used to buy a tv or radio, you had repairmen to keep it going. Now you just throw it away and buy a new one. Waste is what we are accustomed to. I do have a theory though. According to current science, matter as we know it doesn't exist. All we see, feel, hear, touch, etc. is merely energy at different constant frequencies. There is a way to harness this energy, we just have to figure it out. Maybe we could turn this waste into energy we could use. Sounds like science fiction, but i don't see it as being anymore impossible than flying through the solar system on spaceships. I am also thinking we could lessen our impact on the environment by using a balance of these different forms of energy and resources. You are on to something here. I saw a Tesla demonstration where they were running a model car on wireless transmitted power, uses no batteries. His ideas go back 100 years and he was a genius. People on this thread seem to be saying "But why?" I say, "Why not?" Use the Force Luke!
The "why not" stems from the fact many of us are highly mobile, my weekends could be in NC, south florida, Georgia, or Alabama. When we artificially raise the cost of transportation to reduce driving and force new technology into the market, you have destroyed my way of life. My weekend trips that used to cost 30 get canceled or certainly reduced in frequency once it costs 120. Maybe I want to take my kids across country and see the gand canyon or the rainforest in washington state. I might even want to do it in a very large safe vehicle. Now I am priced out of the ability because some ******* who flies in a jet I pay for, burning more fuel in a day than I do in a year, tries to crusade to raise gas prices to make me stop going places on purpose. Nobody is against alternatives. We just dont want to sacrafice our mobility to do it. I live on a few acres in the country and drive an hour each way to work on average. My dream came true and not long after they are trying to penalize me for it. I dont want to live in the city yet they are trying to force me to by making it cost prohibitive. I am not a sinner for wanting a country life but having a job in the city. Henry Ford found a new way of manufacturing and brought a car to market that worked and was affordable, thats how we changed. He didnt advocate bills that fined carriage owners for animal droppings in order to force his product into the market. You're right. Let's just sit on our azzes and not change a damn thing because Mr. Brewer wants to have it all his way. And by God nobody better mess with my freedom to be able to eat a greasy cheeseburger and fries while I smoke a cigarette and send a text message while I drive my SUV cross country. This here is America!
The problem is that his example is right: change should be brought about by technological advancement paired with efficiency. It needs to be rooted in increased prosperity as opposed to some political agenda. |
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I do not believe that the national debt will ever consume 96% of the federal budget without a prior collapse or revolution. It is an impossibility. The government will simply require us to pay more and more in taxes in order to fund programs. Anyone familiar with the Laffer Curve understands that it is possible to eventually have a near zero federal income, however, by the time the tax rate reached that point, there would have been massive public outcry, likely in a violent manner. Either that, or the world treats us like a bank should: when you are at a certain point of income to debt ratio, you get cut off.
The irony in all of this is that the ones doing the most to protect the value of the dollar is China. Right now, they control the value of the dollar. In purchasing the trillions of our debt, they control the world market for the USD. Their reasoning is simple: the market trades on the USD and we are their biggest buyer for their export-driven economy. If the value of the dollar falls, the exchange rate increases costs for us to buy their goods. Right now, our failure will destroy their economy. However, they are working to develop a more stable domestic economy and ween themselves from their dependency on our economy. It will be a scary day when they no longer rely on us to maintain their income. |
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