sounds to me like you don't have california's gun laws to worry about...

Truthfully, the base level of education is not even just high school anymore - it seems to exist somewhere between high school and an associates from a local JC.

Truth be told, even the bachelor's degree market has become so saturated, very few positions above mindless, manual labor will even look at you without one. Even then, it's not what the degree is, only that you have one to show you can commit.

I belive we should. Last I checked, problems never come from the past. Too many are acting for the here and now with no regard for the future.

How is $27 an hour to assemble parts with full benefits and a pension from day one not excessive? Please, enlighten me how those added costs have nothing to do with why GM and Chrysler are in the shape they are in now.

white and religious, yes, but you can't make that much of a generalization that all religious folks are republican. hispanics and blacks can be religious too and they by far vote democrat more.

I'm game, but I've only got a few handles of booze around here so I may have to make a run.

funny story, in CA, two of the largest groups to vote yes on prop 8 were hispanics and blacks. In case you didn't know, the LA hispanic population tends to be fairly religious and democrat.

best engine chrylser ever used. Now it's that damn 3.7L POS. All because of emissions and ride comfort.

that is due far more to religion than some single (or even few) right-wing extremists. It is taught to be wrong by just about every major organized religion on earth.

Yes. Greed makes capitalism work. However, greed on every side pulling at the pot keeps the pot as centered as possible. If the UAW controls the entire company from top to bottom, there is no longer that balance. Greed will follow and they'll take every last bit they can out of that company.

not everyone is qualified to do every job. That is why some pay more than others. Can you perform bypass surgery? I know I sure as hell can't, so I stay the hell out of the OR. The average UAW worker has no college education, let alone any real corporate experience. There's a reason the CEO makes so much and it's not just because of greed. You don't get there overnight.

input is one thing, unabated control is another.

The right extremists are far less powerful then you imagine. They just receive a lot of press. It's all an illusion.

So showmanship and deeper pockets are valued over skill and knowledge? That is an ignorant thought that represents far to many Americans.

So, not wanting to hijack the other thread (and not even sure if this was mentioned there)...

Does anyone realize the implications of the "revised" Chrysler that the government is hoping to develop through Chapter 11? I'll give you the only line that matters:

55% ownership by the UAW.

That line right there is why the company will NEVER again be largely profitable. The workers for the company run the company. They set the pay, the benefits, the executive salary and bonuses. They will run the company into the ground. While a lot of that sound like a good system, just try to get someone into the CEO position that is worthwhile when they can be ousted just for not supporting union demands.

This is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. I seriously hope Fiat bails. There is no potential in here anymore.

That ungodly contraption they sell now is not a jeep anymore. The jeep at the largest stretch of the imagination died with the TJ. Personally, if it's got a dash, it's not a real jeep lol

Fine, where are the black rights extremists? democrats. they are easily filed under hate mongers. What about the extreme environmentalists that will torch Hummer dealerships? Democrats.

Each side has its haters. There is little difference.

I'm more worried about the removal of the brake than anything.

One of my personal favorite people to hear from is the staunch environmentalists that believe we should live "at one with nature" who fully believe that technologies like renewable energy are the answer to every prayer we have. i had one such conversation tonight at class.

The fact of the matter is that as with all things related to economics and every other science, every action has a reaction. There cannot be two winners and no losers. If a resource is given to one, then someone else must go without. This is known as scarcity.

being one with nature and leaving no footprint is a myth. If that were the case, we would live very short lives starving in a cold cave; and even that would leave a footprint because all that decaying flesh must go somewhere. You see, a fire changes the atmosphere. Killing a deer will impact the herd. Even eating berries off a bush modify the reproduction of that plant and the eating patterns of the local wildlife. We, in fact, must leave a footprint in order to sustain ourselves.

While there is truth to the fact that we are in fact changing the environment (and please, this is not a for/against global warming/cooling/climate change statement), the reasons are often beyond the common understanding of most. You see, with every decision we make, there is a cost. The cost of watching the game may be some time spent working on the car. The additional costs of buying a more expensive name-brand good compared to store brand is what you could purchase with the additional costs.

With the environment, there are also other costs - those that we do not directly pay for. The pollution when we drive our cars and buy gas. Nobody pays for the smog. These externalities are the reason the environment is being affected - we do not pay for the loss of trees or the smog and we therefore place no value on them and do not care for them.

So what is my point? Well, simply that with every decision, there are external costs we do not pay for or often times, even have to deal with. By moving toward one technology, there are the costs of jobs and profits for the makers of the old. Even using new technologies have external costs. Something like a hydrogen powered car, for example.

say a hydrogen car could be made for $20k. Almost anyone could buy one and being that they run on water, and output only water vapor, they seem to be the wet dream of any environmentalist. However, with all the "clean" air comes costs. There are of course the obvious losses in the fossil fuel markets, but what about the reactions caused by the water vapor itself? Look at how unhealthy the air is in LA; all that CO and HC and NOx pollution. imagine if that was replaced with water vapor... the resulting rains would create havoc in southern california. I mean, we have "flooding" and serious mudslides the maybe 5 storms a year we get... california would be come wetter than florida. How's that for climate change?

I guess all I'm saying is fully consider all results of the actions you pursue. If you want to dedicate your life to saving the environment, you must think a little bit with your head. No matter what you do, there will be consequences. They often will be a lot of what you want, but there are those actions that will bring out the unexpected and totally undesired.

just think of the clusterf*ck and a half that will turn out to be.

Politics is not about who is better - it's about who is a better salesman. Obama sold himself because that is what he's good at.

However, many are coming to the realization that all is not what it seemed. The right is in fact aligned more with the people - the people just don't realize it yet.

no, we're fully in agreement. I merely pointed out how their "reason" works out - and it does in fact work out mostly like they say it will. Control over the company and voting power on the reserve board is just a perk.