Called again into the light,
Called again from in the night.
Called from her to go to there,
Called from us to one who cares.

While I think of times passed,
While I think of love to last.
While I think of loves desire,
While I think of love on fire.

Lord above in earthly grace,
Lord above this earthly place.
Lord above it’s your desire,
Lord above you set the fire.

All we know of love today,
All we know of love to stay.
All we know of the light,
All we know is in the night.

As you take one, our sweet friend,
As you take a prayer we send.
As you take a sweet soul,
As you take, love your goal.

We have seen her smile inside,
We have seen her love did guide.
We have seen earthly desires,
We have seen her funeral pyres.

Now I think of time and space,
Now I think of when I grace.
Now I think of your desires,
Now I think of earthly fires.

When I know to tell the youth,
When I know to tell the truth.
When I know we’re by your side,
When I know to you I’ll glide.

In here and now this earthly space,
In here and now this earthly place.
In here and now you call on me,
In here and now these words to be.

To be in prayer within your light,
To be in prayer from in the night.
To be in prayer we do not hide,
To be in prayer and by your side.

Is where I wish to see this friend,
Is where I wish our love to send.
Is where I wish to my love afire,
Is where I wish a prayers desire.

This prayer today I send to you,
This prayer today I send is true.
This prayer today of what will be,
This prayer today in praise to thee.

I close this prayer, I say in grace,
I close this prayer, you end the race.
I close this prayer, within the light,
I close this prayer, with guiding might
I close this prayer, to you on high,
I close this prayer, and wonder why
I close this prayer, love I lend,
I close this prayer, with love I send
I close this prayer, for you to see,
I close this prayer, to be set free,
I close this prayer, I made to thee,
I close this prayer, for Nascar Cutey.

I have missed you My lady. I now know why, it is a pleasure to see the beauty you have in your heart.



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Nice story Wench. I would like to read more of it, however you should post it in another forums threads.

As for someone answering your question? There are quite a few here, yet it seems if they ever poke thier head up and speak of thier beliefs there is always someone who tries to berate then and create problems they usually decide to not get involved in this type of thread. I like to believe they are following thier true nature of peace and harmony with all.




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All I can say is will you let the rest of the
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Just for one night?



BTW Galahad says Woof.

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I never lose socks to the Monster, I give them in hopes that someday he will be full, and let me rest in clean shorts.



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When we Believe it can happen, we can make it happen.



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Once again Red we are in agreement. It may not be a total agreement of all that we discuss, however once again I take into submission all that we discuss and add it to the whole of the information gathered to try and make sense of a small portion of it.

I do like a good discourse from time to time.



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It seems to me you are asking the wrong person, it is obvious by your post that you wish someone else to do the leg work on your questions. If I want answers I find them. If I want something done I do it.

It is not my job to witness anything for you, and I have no intention of converting you to any religion. Why do you think I am here to convert you? I have stated on numerous occasions where I stand in regards to religion.

Tell me why I should answer any of your questions, you have posted all the answers, and on top of that you feel that by attacking you will get the answers faster?

Besides how can I convert anyone to any religion without an open mind? You have posted what you believe the Mormons practice and you have claimed to have been a member of the Mormon faith. Now you want me to convert you to the Mormon faith?

It seems you don't know what you want, so if you ever make up your mind, investigate on your own. If you really wish to find a religion that will save you from hell, search for the truth.

As for me being afraid of the "TRUTH"? Not likely I have been searching for it for several decades and it is still a little on the elusive side.

I wonder where I have heard all this BS before?



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contact the lds church or a member ask them what planet you get to make your spirit babies

Your claim to be LDS at one time why don't you tell me?



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so again if you are babtized in the lds church and are dead how can you believe oh i see you have the power because you are a god

Oh My God, where do you get your information? A comic book?

Obviously you have been reading the comics again. The more BS you spout the more you look like the fool.



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Dear God,
Thank you for the guidance and strength that carries me in your light. Thank you for allowing me to put to paper the thoughts in my head. Thank you for allowing me to find my home. God I simply thank you. I ask you to bless my family here at JSH, that they may find the happiness they deserve. I ask you to hold us in your light and help us in our daily lives. I ask you to bless my little sister and her daughter, that they may live another day in your graces.

Amen

I will do that Poet, I hope you and yours are doing well.
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And you know we are of the same family, souls of a feather flock together.

Red,
I understand you have done reasearch on the LDS faith. It is as far as I know one of the few that has been as successful in these modern times, the growth is unbelievable.

I learned a little bit about you in our other posts and found you very open minded in regards to quite a few things and have learned not to jump the gun on your posts. I will make a few brief comments in regards to the Mormon faith and hope you understand most of the things I have posted in regards to this faith are not necessarily my views or opinion on this faith.

You are correct in saying I am not of the original Mormon Faith. I say that for one main reason, and to put it simply, the "Original Mormon" faith is not really being practiced by the Followers of the group of LDS that Followed Joseph Smith when the seperation occurred in the early days of this religion.

Those who followed Joseph Smith were chastised, beaten, killed, etc by those who would keep this new religion from gaining a foothold in christian society. As a result of things that occurred during the early days of this religion there were many modifications made to the original sect in order to try and fit in with mainstream christian society.

There are many journals that are available in any of the bookstores that are backed by the LDS church (Deseret Bookstores). They tell of the history of the church and why certain policies/practices were changed over the last 200 yrs or so. There is nothing to hide from anyone who wishesd to know the truth, as many passages tell seek and ye shall find.

As for me being Mormon? I was raised Mormon, of the original Joseph Smith Following and know the history and scriptures of the Bible and the Book of Mormon well enough to tell you they teach the same thing, however do I believe everything that the LDS faith teaches? The jury is still out. They both attempt to teach the ten commandments and the golden rule. There isn't much of a difference other than being written by authors who are not in the Bible. We all know that the bible tells of a second coming and that the apocolypse will be in the latter days. I don't rattle off scripture I think its a waste of time, however when I see someone make claims that they can not back up you know I will chime in.

It would be impossible for anyone in this day to say they follow the original LDS faith. In the 1970's and 80's the leadership decided to come out of the closet so to speak and as a result many changes have taken place in how they interpret scriptures and how they are dealing with protagonists. In the past the leadership closed it's eyes and didn't worry about what was going on outside the church. They were happy behind the closed doors and didn't care what the world felt of them.

The LDS faith has grown in leaps and bounds for a good reason, and to be honest with you I would like to be able to say I believe the entire teachings of the LDS faith.

I have read many books over the years and in my own reasearch have come to several conclusions. One of them being that when someone attacks any thing I have knowledge of to be false I will confront them. I have read some of the literature that was quoted in earlier posts, however if you do a little reasearch on those who wrote those books you just might find those books are those of the opinions of the author that wrote them, and in as much thier beliefs are not what the church doctrine was at that time, could they be considered false information too? I have knowledge of several people and very well know authors that made claims that never were policies of the Mormon faith, and as a result others take that false information and pass it on. After enough times being passed on it is believed to be something it isn't.

I think you can understand more of why I do what I do by this post. As for conflicting with my Beliefs? So far I have found my beliefs keep changing, like others I am still searching for the truth and where I find it is a mystery to me, so please don't feel that you should not be conflicting in your views. I am like others here who enjoy your views.

I found much of what was posted to match much of my own research. But you and several others I've heard from in other forums, seem to have no connection with that information. I can not tell you why, and I would never argue with you these points. I'm just telling that much of what I read by that poster can be found in many other valid forms in information.

I have read of what you speak, and much more, I love reading that is why I am still looking for more spiritual growth. Dig a little deeper and you might find out why I say most of it is BS.



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It seems you did little reasearch on the Hierarchy I am pleased to see some truth in your posting, However you made many more claims and as of yet shown me the proof of the other items I listed earlier in this post.

I am not here to teach you about the Mormon faith, that is up to the individual to find in his/her heart what they find to be believable. I was quite sure many of your claims could not be verified and my only intention was to show the errors you posted.

If I have questions about my faith I refer to the bible and do some soul searching. If I wish to find an answer to a question I search for the answers in Any book of doctrine that teaches humility, kindness, and serenity. If that means I need to read more than the Bible I will do so, or what really works for me is to attend church of some sort that has a Christian backround. That is my only requirement as to which church I will attend on either Saturday or Sunday, since those are the days I have off.

As for all your questions you have listed, maybe you should find those answers yourself. Read the Bible or the Koran or any other book that could help you find your answers. I for one follow a path of my own and am very happy with it, God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit/Ghost walk with me as I travel the road before me. My beliefs are that simple. Take a look around and you will find the answers you are looking for they are usually right in front of you, at least they are for me.



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I'm here Song.


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Oh this is too good to pass up, where did you find this one?

God is having kids. Surrounded by what must be 1,000 or more wives, God is having little spirit babies which will inhabit the people born on the earth. The number of babies this requires Him to produce daily is incredible! No explanation is given why their God of flesh and bone, having babies through physical sexual contact with his wives, has only spirit babies. They teach that Mary married God to have Jesus (or else He would have been illegitimate) and then divorced him to marry Joseph.

Mormon scripture consists of four books. They are: (1) The Book of Mormon (2) Doctrine and Covenants (3) Pearl of Great Price and (4) The Bible (in that order). The first three books seriously contradict the Bible. Mormons often ignore the Bible, claiming it is "mis-translated.

Excuse me Sir, since the Bible has been translated from a dead language to god knows how many other languages before it was finally translated into English, it seems to me that the Bible's translations at best have been questioned by scholars for centuries. Just because the LDS make a statement that "We Believe the Bible to be the Word of God as Far as it IS Translated Correctly" Does that make the leaders beliefs any different than the scholars that have questioned the Bible for Centuries?

As For you order of importance, I am amazed. Rarely do the leaders or anyone else in the LDS faith put an order of importance. You contradict yourself, you tell us there is an order of importance yet The ten commandments are at the top of the list of importance and these commandments are in the Bible the last time I looked.



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King,
I don't feel attacked at all, I only wish to enlighten those that may read some of the BS, that the majority of it is BS. Make no mistake most of what he has posted is from outside sources that also make certain claims.

My main point is as I have explained to so many others is that the LDS faith is not much different from any other christian faith, with the exception that they are far more strict and in being strict they are not as forgiving to those who repeatedly refuse to follow a stringent religious regime.



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Willy,
Yes tolerance is the basis for most if not all religious beliefs. Even those who have called for a Jihad use tolerance to put thier point across. It may be in-tolerance that they preach of the infidels, however it is still tolerance.

As for educating someone, since someone has made statments to attack a religion and claims to have been a member and is not searching for education, this leads me to believe he is attempting to sway some by using scare tactics to get his point across.

A point was made that each man in the LDS faith could become a god of his own universe. Do you know how silly that sounds? I would tend to believe that this statement was taken from one of the leaders talks on the subject of heaven, and was taken out of context to use in his own way.

I have been reading most his posts and since most of it is distorted in some way, I decided to let him know how I feel about distorting the truth.



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Show me where Joseph Smith had 48 wives?

Show me Why polygamy was started in the LDS Faith, and why the Church decided to use polygamy in the early days.

Show me One of the Ten commandments that are not followed by the Mormon Faith.

Show me One scripture that backs your statement that the Mormons do not believe in the Bible.

Show me one One place that it states Joseph Smith wore a hat during his translations.

Show me How much stock the church has in Alcoholic beverages or Caffienated products.

Show me where in the Bible or the Book of Mormon what heaven is like and how it is structured.

This one should be real easy if you were Mormon, How is the Hierarchy of the LDS faith Structured? IE Priesthood, and offices of the Mormon faith....

I will go over your statements of beliefs if you wish however I think this should be enough for a few hours of reading for our fellow members of this forum.



Oh and by the way it would be easy to fabricate some of your information, people have been doing it for eons. Ever heard of the spanish inquisition? That was one of the Biggest lies ever perpetrated by any religion.


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It seems I need to be careful in this post.

After reading several posts on a particular religion and not seeing much evidence to support his so-called Ideas on the LDS faith I am asking those of you who have also been reading these posts what you feel about them?

I ask for one reason, it seems I would never be able to disprove his posts since most of the information is false, and since some of the information has some truth to it.

I would welcome some feedback on this so as to see if it would even be worth it to reply to any of the BS?

Some of you might say I am LDS, since I am defending this religion, in the true form of the religion I would have to say No, I am not Mormon, I do on occasion go to thier services, just as I go to other religious services when I feel the need (ie baptist,catholic,protestant, christian based religions)

I am curious how many of you would be able to defend your religious beliefs if it seemed someone spent the majority of the day attacking your religious beliefs?



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