or could reality be controlling it all, what takes place in reality is why your brain secrete the chemicals that makes up the aura which means it could be the chemcials that keeps one from making the connections

that is what religion and evolution has in common, faith could be a way to induce one to control these chemical to the point of wishing for something and the subconscious carrying out the command and evolution is control with chemicals, if the enviroment changes the chemicals the brain produces change resulting in another mutation that is more adaptable to the enviroment

"Spendidlife" ... I just don't pick up those unloved vibes from you, unless you have a torture chamber in your basement or something, to me it seems you have an advance curiousity about things that others around you may not have the ability to comprehend or discuss and it may appear to you as unlove or a sort of coldness

"Spendidlife" ..I view it as a lack of ego and pride that may keep someone in their own Hell ...it's like an abyss that people fall into and not even realize that they are even there, it developes into a mind frame that cause one to see it as being normal but it's not,

they become trapped in this mind frame and don't even realize they are trapped or have trapped themselves...but the only way to get out is to realize you are there, and once you realize it then all one has to do is change their frame of mind ...,they have to deprogram then reprogram

of course if the body can produce a chemical signature for Hell it can produce a chemical signature for Heaven ....when the body is sick it produces a signature and when it is healing something the brain produces a signature ....all you have to do is control the signatures and one can heal their entire self ...the technology to accomplish is would be in the realm of a "MRI bio-feedback"

of course if the body can produce a chemical signature for Hell it can produce a chemical signature for Heaven ....when the body is sick it produces a signature and when it is healing something the brain produces a signature ....all you have to do is control the signatures and one can heal their entire self ...the technology to accomplish is would be in the realm of a "MRI bio-feedback"

If an individual's actions or thoughts (and I do agree with this hypothesis) produce chemical signatures that stay with the body, that bank (so to speak) of accumulated signatures can serve as one's own individual history or report card of all actions, both good and bad.

Seems to me that the seemingly infinite forms of personal Hell we each put ourselves through on a daily basis for all that we are and are not, have done and have not done should provide more than enough learning such that there never need be an actual place to which we ever must be sent called Hell.

Our bodies keep score and we pay on a daily basis.

out of fear of going to Hell can't be used as an excuse, because people intentionly sin in front of God everyday of their life, people fornicate in front of God, curse in front of God, beat their children in front of God do they think God does not see them do this...don't he have x-ray vision

believers claim that God knows what is in your heart which means just because one claim to be a christian or accept Jesus doesn't mean they will not go to Heaven and I can explain why logically

everything you do causes the brain to have a chemical reaction, everytime one committs a tort or sin then the brain produce a chemical signature in kind that premeates through-out the body ..this is called a chemical aura... if a camera can pick this image up then so can God

http://www.geocities.com/funchesfilms/aura

there is bias everywhere from christians, muslims, wiccans, athiests, etc....depends on the person and what is in their head.

I don't know. I don't know who Osho is.

It is not the belief in itself that breeds intolerance.
Organized religion does it.

Think Truth

Let me take you aside
With a sample of thought
And tell you about the earth ride
That you have heard not.

What games we play my friend.
What fools we be
And we can’t see the end ;
We live eternally.

The dream is our creation;
It’s the thoughts we share
The illusion of a nation
That we have all put there.

See truth!
(Put on your truth glasses.)
Think truth!
(As the illusion passes..)
Be truth!
And know that you are!

By George I think you've got it!

We all serve as antennae for the collective.

The Borg are back.

The Draconians have been defeated.

And Jeanniebean's "Law of Attraction" only works on 102.9 FM Stereo.

We are primates, we are born, we live, we die. Things that we have not worked on for long have not been explained. Society prefers playboys to scientists. We as a society focus on gathering as much wealth before we die instead of working to achieve something lasting. We as a society care more about shallow reality TV, then about exploring those things that remain unexplained. Why worry, god done did it, no explanation beyond that is needed. One nation under god doesn't need no explanations.

Did we even have "Higher Powers" before AA? Did they coin that phrase I wonder for the specific purpose of not scaring away secular alcoholics who need help?

It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.

By that study I read, sin/lust is the christian expression of dopamine addiction lol.

I do think so, too.

And this is one of the greatest fallacies of the scientific method!

Science CANNOT say that her visions were 'Chemically Induced". That's a total ASSUMPTION that cannot be proven.

All that science can truly say about the situation is that particular chemicals are released during her experiences. Whether the chemicals induce the experience or the experience induces the release of the chemicals is anyone's guess!

In fact, the shamans have it just the other way around! They claim that these states of consciousness are indeed what cause the release of chemicals and hormones that often serve to have a healing affect on the body, but can also serve to have a negative affect on the body depending on the nature of the experience.

To claim that because science has detected chemicals being released during these times implies that the chemicals are the cause of the event is absurd. What they caused the released of those particular chemicals at that particular time?

If I claim that they have it backwards, they cannot come up with the slightest evidence otherwise!

So this is where science is often sued to JUMP to conclusions that truly haven't yet been PROVEN.

The shamans would just roll their eyes and say to the scientitsts, "Well of course there are chemicals being released during these psychic experiences you doofuses!"

We're right back at square one on that one.



It seems to me that it's being validated almost daily. It's well-known that modern medical doctors have tones of stories to tell of patients who have come to them with advanced stages of diseased, only to return the next visit showing now signs of ill-health whatsoever. This happens all the time.

What does science say? They say, "We can't explain it, so we're not going to bother keeping track of it because it's unverifiable data. By unverifiable they simply mean that they aren't going to trust the doctors. They're going to just ASSUME that the doctors must have made a misdiagnosis and the disease wasn't as bad as they had originally thought during the first visit.

By the way, if shamanism is true, a person doesn't need to practice shamanism for it to work. The practice of shamanism is simply a set of guidelines that people have traditionally used to help these processes along. Even the shamans will confess that sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. This doesn't bother the shamans because they understand these things are a request for assistance, and sometimes there is no assistance forthcoming. And there may be reasons for this. Shamanism is not the same as science. Shamans don't claim that if you do precise things you will get precise results.

So this time the scientists get to roll there eyes and say to the shamans, "So in other words it's just the luck of the draw! Randomness!".

YES! It is a form of randomness! But the shamans have learned how to toss the spiritual dice! And all they are saying is that the more you toss the dice the better your chances will be that the numbers you're hoping for will come up!

Moreover, the shamans will also claim that the more you toss the dice the better you will get at tossing them.

Science has become so depending on mathematics. They want equations that when you run through the calculations you come up with at NUMBER and that number is the CORRECT ANSWER PERIOD!

In fact, that's precisely Newtonian Science! Classical physicists believed that EVERYTHING could be calculated and you can get a CONCRETE ANSWER EVERY TIME!

In fact, this was the catastrophe of Quantum Physics! Quantum Mechanics came along and says NO! On the basic fundamental level of reality ("actuality" as Michael prefers to call it) the universe is RANDOM CHANCE! It's not truly possible to calculate anything on a fundamental level of reality.

But the scientists argue, "Ah! But we can calculate PROBABILITIES!" . They are resting on the idea that probabilities offer some kind of 'concreteness'. But they don't really. They are only meaningful in large scale situations when you have huge conglomerations of billions upon billions of atoms, then you begin to see some sense of mathematical 'probability curves' but those CURVES are entirely DEPENDENT upon the large scale situation. Change the large scale situation and the probabilities curves change!

Change what you INTEND to MEASURE and you get a different RESULT!

Well, this is PRECISELY what the shamans are DOING! They are changing what they focus their INTENT on and that changes the PROBABILITY CURVES of the RESULT!

In a very real sense Shamanism was dependent upon the probabilistic nature of the universe LONG BEFORE Quantum Mechanics was ever discovered!

Yes, shamanism DEPENDS on PROBABILITIES, that's what DRIVES IT! If it wasn't for the probabilistic nature of the universe shamanism wouldn't be possible.

So to laugh it off as 'just randomness' would be the same thing as laughing off Quantum Mechanics as nothing more than 'just randomness', yet Quantum Mechanics is one of the TWO GREAT PILLARS of MODERN SCIENCE! The other pillar being General Relativity.

In other words, if Quantum Mechanics has any merit at all, then so does Shamanism!



I can't be sure, and neither would it make any difference if I was sure, one way or the other.

And my reasoning comes FROM SCIENCE!

Science itself has totally recognized and experimentally verified that virtual 'particles' are constantly popping into and out of existence all the time everywhere. This is happening so intensely that it's hard to fathom the scope of it!

But just to help rituality this a bit let me try by saying this: There many virtual partials are popping into and out of existence even within the EMPTY SPACE within every single atom.

WITHIN VERY SINGLE ATOM!

There are MORE virtual particles popping into and out of existence than there are atoms in this universe!

In fact, in order to get the correct numerical results for the forces within atoms scientists must calculated by the forces of virtual particles by integrating over INFINITY!

In other words, they must assume that there are an infinite number of virtual particles popping into and out of existence within EACH and EVERY atom in this universe!

What does that say about the universe? It tells me that there are far more virtual particles that there are atoms.

Scientists also KNOW that virtual particles are very REAL in that they affect the outcome of measurable events in this universe, such as the forces between subatomic particles as well as between the atoms themselves.

So now let's go back to look within our brains.

How much of our brain actually BELONGS to US?

Well if we are arrogant enough to claim personal ownership to the atoms that make up our brain, we can at least say that the atoms that make up our brain BELONG to US.

But what about the infinity of virtual particles that are constantly popping in and out of existence within our brains and AFFECTING all of the atoms within our brain. Do they "BELONG to US"?

Where does our brain leave off and the void from whence these infinite virtual particles arise begin?

I see no reason whatsoever to believe that there exist any distinction between us and the 'void'. There is clearly NO BARRIER preventing these virtual particles from popping in and out of existence in our brains and AFFECTING the atoms that make up our neural nets.

In fact, when viewed in this way science has actually VERIFIED that we are indeed ALL CONNECTED to the 'void' from whence these virtual particles arise.

As far as I'm concerned science has already proven that we are indeed connected to a common realm 'beyond' that which we would normally associate with 'reality' in a Newtonian sense.

We are all connected to 'the void'.

Science has NO CLUE what 'the void' is.

But they have VERIFIED that virtual particles are CONSTANTLY coming in to being from this 'void' and disappearing back into this 'void', but not without having a DIRECT AFFECT on the matter and atoms within our 'reality'.

So science has indeed verified that our brains are not entirely OURS. We are clearly connected to a "void" which science can't even begin to describe or put their finger on.

In fact, 'void' is truly an improper word because if virtual particles can come from this 'void' then there must be something more to it than merely a 'void'.

I personally feel that science has already proven that we are all directly connected to these ultimate 'substrate' of existence.

So when you talk about "Our Brain" like as if it is a solitary thing that has no connection beyond the confines of our skulls, I think you are assuming a lot that even modern science does not support.

According to modern science all of our brains are directly connected to a very active 'common void' which science has absolutely NO CLUE ABOUT.

So why would you even speak about are brains as though they are islands? That's not even scientific.

Science necessary must disagree with that conclusion.

Science has us all connected to the 'common substrate' via virtual particles. And science has NO CLUE how that substrate works, or what its nature is. In fact, it appears to be ruled by the laws of Quantum Mechanics which blows away all the Newtonian restrictions of space and time. In fact Quantum Mechanics even blows away the Relativistic notion of the speed of light being a barrier. In the Quantum World particles exhibit non-local behavior which means that Cause and Effect even gets tossed out the window!

So when a shaman says, "Your results may be probabilistic, but you can change the probabilities by doing these particular things", why should we laugh at that. Isn't that PRECISELY what the SCIENCE of Quantum Mechanics says the world is LIKE!

You tend to view your brain as an isolated computer. You think that it has a given amount of data and that it can't be affected or changed from the outside world expect through your own experience and senses.

But the brain words on the level of PHOTOS and ELECTRONS, both of which are SUB-ATOMIC particles and can be GREATLY INFLUENCED by virtual particles that are CONSTANTLY popping into and out of existence in your brain!

Your brain is NOT the ISLAND that you have convinced yourself to believe that it is.

I feel that what you have created is truly a "Newtonian" absolute view of reality. You have convinced yourself that you are isolated from the rest of the universe. You are nothing more than a biological sack of completely isolated atoms that is unaffected by the "external" world other than via your physical senses.

But modern science truly does not support that view. You are being constantly influence by an infinite flux of virtual particles that pervade every ounce of your being.

You are NOT the Island that you believe yourself to be!

And even science has verified this FACT.

(sorry for the long post, I'm just a rambl'n man)

Who says God can only work 7 days and stop and never work or create again? No one. I still think it is a continuation...sorry