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Yes thats right. Thanks. I did see that Simpson's episode in fact. Lisa became her cat and was batting around some yarn. There were all kinds of "transitions." 
Karmaceuticals 
Yeah... She trips out on bacon. 
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Proof
Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 11/02/08 08:51 AM
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What are those tanks called that they put people in and they are filled with water and they are lying on their backs cut off from any external stimulus aside from the water. Its totally dark. They were big in the 80s or the 60s. I dont know when they first came out. Remember that film "Altered States"? Deprivation Chambers See that Simpsons Episode? Lisa and Homer go into an Occult Shop called Karmaceuticals |
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Funches: "nope "Spendidlife" ..it sounds like the church the synagogue the mosque ..etc. etc." ...AND Dungeons and Dragons. 
women boys how rude
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Funches: "nope "Spendidlife" ..it sounds like the church the synagogue the mosque ..etc. etc." ...AND Dungeons and Dragons.
women boys |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Fri 10/31/08 09:01 PM
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Funches:
"nope "Spendidlife" ..it sounds like the church the synagogue the mosque ..etc. etc." ...AND Dungeons and Dragons.
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Yeah, but... These "laws" are written by mortals... Isn't it possible that, regardless of how the "authors" arrived at the data, these written laws were subject to initial mortal interpretation? Then, through generations and countless translations, don't interpretations continue to morph? "Spendidlife" ...according to the believers of the faith the "Laws" was handed down by God ..mis-interpetation or morphing of these laws can only take place if the faithful do not attend the places or gathering where the laws can be discussed This sounds like fairy-tale. Dungeons and Dragons |
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Objective understanding is the only way to shed ignorance which perpetuates evil. Understanding someone, being able to relate because you know they are not different from you, because you understand biology, know that we are all the same to an amazing degree. Even culture is really only flavor, like a dish, the end result is the same, we get nourishment from the food. I agree completely and would add that... Being able to relate, knowing there are vast and beautiful differences makes it an even more fascinating adventure. |
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If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god... 
"AdventureBegins" all laws the God has set forth no matter which God are absolute...the believers can pick and choose which ones they will follow but in doing so will face consequences absolutely Absolute only within individual minds... Each with infinitely different concepts of "God". "slendidlife" yep that's exactly how it works ....God/Yehweh has different laws than false idol God/Jesus I'm not quite sure of what you're saying here, Funches. Are you saying that there is only one set of laws, as taken literally from the Bible? If so, how would it be possible to have a law be upheld and understood uniformly across the board with a nearly infinite number of perceptions? "Spendidlife" just like a judge will tell you that there is no excuse for "ignorance of the law" the same applies to the laws that Gods have set forth so it doesn't matter how the believer perceives them they just suppose to follow all God's laws to the letter mis-interpetion and all if God said "Thou Shalt Not Kill" then don't kill ..etc. etc. etc. Yeah, but... These "laws" are written by mortals... Isn't it possible that, regardless of how the "authors" arrived at the data, these written laws were subject to initial mortal interpretation? Then, through generations and countless translations, don't interpretations continue to morph? |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Thu 10/30/08 02:17 PM
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I wonder... Could they be loved if they didn't change? Love is the only thing that could cause them to change. Love of self and others. Jesus loves us all, I try to follow in his example. I don't always succeed, but I do try. So I think we have to try to love the unlovable, after all we don't have to try to love the lovable, do we? Agreed... But, we don't actually have to love Jesus in order for these principles to apply, do we? I realize this is a bit off the OP, but... If love were the only thing that could cause these "monsters" to change, why would we continuously support the perpetuation of war? If Christianity supports the application of love to cause change of these vicious patterns, why support war? Not saying that you personally support it... I'm reminded of a line from Men In Black. Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it. Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.... My greatest hope is that humankind is getting smarter and less panicky. That we begin to see more of the similarities and less of the stark differences between different cultures / religions (or non-religions). I guess this requires a bit of "faith" in humanity. 
Love can work on individuals, but it doesn't work so well when you are talking about a large government or group of people. Any mob of people is more likely to act than think. Sometimes war is a necessary evil. It's still an evil, but it's a lesser evil than not doing anything at all. If the US had invaded Rowanda to stop the massacre, it would have been a lesser evil than allowing millions to be killed. I could go on, but you get the point. We have to weight the evils objectively and choose the lesser of the two. For this reason we can't take a position that war is always wrong, so we will allow murders and rapes and torture to occur because we oppose war. That's an absolute moral position, which is not taught in the Bible and is actually far less moral in practice than an objective moral philosophy. I promise not to go on and on about war in this thread... ...but, I'll end by saying that going to war under the guise of a moral position and promotion of democracy, only to seek domination of precious oil at the cost of far too many innocent lives, seems like quite the lie to me... I mean, where can we turn when we find that our own gov't is up to these kinds of shenanigans? How do we, as a people, take a moral position? Sorry... Okay... No more hijacking... Much Love 
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I wonder... Could they be loved if they didn't change? Love is the only thing that could cause them to change. Love of self and others. Jesus loves us all, I try to follow in his example. I don't always succeed, but I do try. So I think we have to try to love the unlovable, after all we don't have to try to love the lovable, do we? Agreed... But, we don't actually have to love Jesus in order for these principles to apply, do we? I realize this is a bit off the OP, but... If love were the only thing that could cause these "monsters" to change, why would we continuously support the perpetuation of war? If Christianity supports the application of love to cause change of these vicious patterns, why support war? Not saying that you personally support it... |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Thu 10/30/08 01:44 PM
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If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...
"AdventureBegins" all laws the God has set forth no matter which God are absolute...the believers can pick and choose which ones they will follow but in doing so will face consequences absolutely Absolute only within individual minds... Each with infinitely different concepts of "God". "slendidlife" yep that's exactly how it works ....God/Yehweh has different laws than false idol God/Jesus I'm not quite sure of what you're saying here, Funches. Are you saying that there is only one set of laws, as taken literally from the Bible? If so, how would it be possible to have a law be upheld and understood uniformly across the board with a nearly infinite number of perceptions? |
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That's cute, Spidey. 
Let me ask you another question... I know he's dead and all... ...but, do you love Hitler? I mean, if he was alive, would you consider him an enemy? I have seen pictures of people who were tortured by Saddam Hussein's government. I have seen pictures of Iraqi Olympic athletes who had arms and legs amputated for not performing as expect at the Olympics. I have read the testimony of a man who had to watch as his relatives, including wife and children, were dropped into a plastic shredder. I mourned when Saddam was executed. My enemy doesn't have flesh or blood. I was a racist at one time, I hated black people. I've changed. If I can change, who's to say that Saddam or Hitler couldn't given the chance? 
I wonder... Could they be loved if they didn't change? |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Thu 10/30/08 08:36 AM
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That's cute, Spidey.
Let me ask you another question... I know he's dead and all... ...but, do you love Hitler? I mean, if he was alive, would you consider him an enemy? I have seen pictures of people who were tortured by Saddam Hussein's government. I have seen pictures of Iraqi Olympic athletes who had arms and legs amputated for not performing as expect at the Olympics. I have read the testimony of a man who had to watch as his relatives, including wife and children, were dropped into a plastic shredder. I mourned when Saddam was executed. My enemy doesn't have flesh or blood. I was a racist at one time, I hated black people. I've changed. If I can change, who's to say that Saddam or Hitler couldn't given the chance?
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Thu 10/30/08 08:24 AM
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Do you REALLY love your enemies? I'll tell you when I get some. That's cute, Spidey.
Let me ask you another question... I know he's dead and all... ...but, do you love Hitler? I mean, if he was alive, would you consider him an enemy? While I have some disgust for that which was the person called hitler... I would bet you he is in a room in heaven... God has a place for all of his children... Even ones you don't like. He hates not nor does he judge one in the way he does another... We are all his children. I agree... Just wondering what our friend, Spider, has to say... |
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If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...
"AdventureBegins" all laws the God has set forth no matter which God are absolute...the believers can pick and choose which ones they will follow but in doing so will face consequences absolutely Absolute only within the individual minds... Each with infinitely different concepts of "God". |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Thu 10/30/08 07:25 AM
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Do you REALLY love your enemies? I'll tell you when I get some. That's cute, Spidey.
Let me ask you another question... I know he's dead and all... ...but, do you love Hitler? I mean, if he was alive, would you consider him an enemy? |
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I thought about it, and you are right I edited with my flexed thoughts hehehe. I never seem to be able to edit just once!!! ahhhhhh Love ya darlin! 
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"Yeah... Definitions are like cages for ideas." No they just let you know where one stops and a new one begins. The processes of working through ideas and giving each idea its place is the exploration the adventure and requires freedom. Beliefs are a cage for ideas. Agreed. Flexible definitions are do-able.
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splendidlife: If god is "only" the natural forces of the universe, then is that really a god? If god is "more" then just the natural processes of the world, but is that also, then what other characteristics make up this god? At this point I go back to my questions for theists 1) does god have a consciousness? 2) is god a decision maker? (dependent on #1) 2) is god a loving god? (also dependent on #1) 3) is god omni-know-power? 4) does he hear your prayers? 5) does he answer prayers? 6) is there miracles 7) are miracles supernatural? If none then how is that a god? If all then we should be able to prove god though prayer. If not 4, or 5 then what the hell is it good to have this so called relationship with this god if he doesn't listen or do anything? If miracles happen then what determines who gets the miraculous? If your cancer goes away miraculously is that nature? Is that god, if god is nature and functions by natural processes only, then is that really god again. Circles circles circles. If only natural then not god. God is supernatural by the very definition. If nature is your god, then you are like me, only you like less defined words hehe.
Is it "God" per say? Since God can not be definitively described... probably not. It's a miracle that are hearts are beating on their own. Nature is the closest I've come to feeling a "God". Yeah... Definitions are like cages for ideas. 
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Wed 10/29/08 04:02 PM
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So, then I would guess you could agree that by instilling fear we get things done? Sometimes. This is the exact mentality that promotes terrorism. Didn't take you long to draw an analogy between stoping the Germans from killing Jews and Terrorism. Do you think (just like Ghandi) that we should have let the Germans kill all of the Jews? Would you agree that government has been using fear to manipulate the masses all through the ages and continues to do so? Some have and some haven't. I don't believe in government as a "monolith". And sometimes, good comes from using fear to control those who are out of control Or do you think that we should have let Hitler kill all of the Jews in the world? When we use fear to fight the same, do we not then create more of the same? No idea what you are asking. Probably implying something about the war on terror, which has a lot to do with the current discussion... 
Yikes, Spider... I started mentioning terrorism for a different reason. I wasn't actually drawing an analogy between stopping the Germans from killing Jews and Terrorism. You stick to that analogy because it is one of the more dramatically obvious examples to help support that you are absolutely right in everything you post. I'm more getting at an analogy between the application of fear in terrorism and religious intimidation. Terrorists are taught all justifications for their actions which produce fear. Many Christians seem to justify the whole bit about hellfire, damnation and killing in the name of "God" as being sufficiently important that this kind of intimidation is also justified. Christians have killed and died in the name of "God" and have used fear to attempt to dominate. Terrorists have killed and died in the name of their cause and have used fear to attempt to dominate. See some similarities? Yet, the Religious Right would label Terrorism as "evil". We can sit and try to endlessly label what is "good" and what is "evil" and try to get specific on what is more or less "evil". It would be endless and pointless. Let me ask you something... Do you REALLY love your enemies? |
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