The original poster seemed to think that this poll is quite meaningful
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didn't bush have a democratic led congress?
No he didn't. Not until 2008. Then, it was too late. it was clinton to blame for the housing crisis, not the repubs.
This myth just won't go away. All the documentation and all the proof and we still have the Faux News version. It is hopeless. The policies were all Republi, all the way. |
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Everybody in Government is plunging in the polls. This really doesn't tell us much.
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get out of this democrat and/or republican blame game
Doesn't seem realistic to me. The fact is that the Republi policies did cause the bad economy. The fact is that Democratic politicians have done a miserable job of reversing those policies. It is policy malpractice that has caused our economic problems. How do you think the raise-taxes people and the recalcitrant eliminate-programs people are going to "work together" when there is genuine blame to be assessed? How do they find concensus when only one position is right and one is most definitely wrong? It's a silly concept. |
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Believe it or not, I also believe that Paul is an honorable man with integrity. Most of all, I believe he is honest. That racist material in his newsletter can be explained away easily. Paul has some very racist towns in his district, and it could well be that he has some wealthy, racist constituents that he doesn't want to offend. Nobody has accredited the remarks to anybody.
This does not change his hardcore Libertarian religion. Nor does it mitigate the same religion for his son. |
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You, as a democrat, .... oh a never mind .... you'll blindly defend him
I don't expect you to read all my posts. I'm with the huge ocean of Democrats who think Obama has done a miserable job of promoting progressive values. Of course I'll defend him from scurrilous and unfair attacks. He's the only Presidential candidate who's supposedly on my side. Now, make some credible charges, and that's a different story. |
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The original post concerned a joke website. This is something from the Christian Science Monitor a couple of years ago.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/1221/Are-you-smarter-than-a-Fox-News-viewer-How-about-a-CNN-viewer-Take-our-quiz-to-find-out/Are-you-smarter-than-a-Fox-News-viewer-How-about-a-CNN-viewer-Take-our-quiz-to-find-out Take the quiz. See how you measure up. (This was from right after the stock market crash). |
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Could it be that most politicians are corrupt including the messiah?
That's the kind of thing the Obama-haters like to say. It would be stronger if there was some kind of documented evidence. CREW doesn't deal in innuendo. |
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Thu 09/22/11 07:26 AM
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
CREW’s seventh report on congressional corruption names 19 members of Congress – 14 members whose actions violated the law or who otherwise engaged in serious misconduct, and five others whose lack of regard for the rules earned them a dishonorable mention. The 2010 midterm elections swept in a large freshman class, but certainly didn’t produce more ethical conduct. A startling 14 of the 19 members on CREW’s list are new to it this year, and six of those members are also new to Congress: Reps. Jeff Denham (R-CA), Stephen Fincher (R-TN), Michael Grimm (R-NY), Frank Guinta (R-NH), David Rivera (R-FL) and Joe Walsh (R-IL). CREW’s definition of corruption goes beyond assessing whether someone technically violated a criminal law. It encompasses public officials who fail to act responsibly and ethically, and who instead place personal or special interests before those of the public. As always, members on this year’s list have abused their positions to benefit themselves, their families, and other associates. Ten violated campaign finance or personal financial disclosure rules, failing to reveal gifts, income, campaign contributions or debts. At least nine members are or have been under investigation either by the House or Senate ethics committees, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) or law enforcement agencies. One member, Rep. Rivera, is under investigation by at least five different law enforcement agencies for a range of violations, apparently including income tax evasion. Another, Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), got a loan on very sweet terms and failed to disclose or repay it until the FBI started asking questions. In the latest revelation in Rep. Vern Buchanan’s (R-FL) ongoing scandal, he attempted to bribe a witness to sign a false affidavit. The conduct exhibited by each of the members on the list has contributed to the eroding public trust in government. The report, of course, doesn’t reflect the misdeeds of those who have left Congress. Sen. John Ensign (R-NV), a Most Corrupt alumnus, resigned hastily this year. He left just before a special counsel to the Senate Select Committee on Ethics issued a scathing report concluding the evidence against him in connection with his attempted cover-up of an affair with a staffer “would have been substantial and sufficient to warrant the consideration of the sanction of expulsion.” Reps. Christopher Lee (R-NY), Anthony Weiner (D-NY), and David Wu (D-OR), meanwhile, were quickly pushed out of Congress by House leadership after news broke of their salacious conduct. There seems to be no particular standard, however, regarding the sort of misconduct that induces party leaders to move decisively against unethical members given the relatively more egregious actions of some members who have been permitted to retain their seats. Some Most Corrupt veterans are missing this year either because no new action was taken by any law enforcement agency or the House and Senate ethics committees, or because CREW discovered no new information. These members include: Reps. Ken Calvert (R-CA), Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL), Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Charles Rangel (D-NY), Pete Visclosky (D-IN), and Don Young (R-AK) and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY). Five members are making return appearances: Reps. Buchanan, Laura Richardson (D-CA), Hal Rogers (R-KY), and Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Sen. David Vitter (R-LA). Sen. Vitter and Rep. Richardson are included for conduct unrelated to that which led to their inclusion in previous years. Despite the number of high-profile scandals, there continues to be scant enforcement of ethics rules. The Department of Justice (DOJ) has repeatedly refused to press charges against crooked politicians, declining to pursue the case against Sen. Ensign, among others. The feckless FEC boasts commissioners who openly declare their intent to ignore the law rather than enforce it, emboldening candidates and members to cross the legal line without fear of repercussions. The House and Senate ethics committees are rarely stirred to action and even when they are – as in the case of Sen. Ensign – investigations drag out for years. In addition, Rep. Waters’ case shows how ineffective Congress is at policing itself. The Waters investigation has been so tainted by allegations of staff and member misconduct and evidence withheld that the committee was forced to hire an outside counsel to investigate its own conduct as well as the Waters matter. The public deserves better than this. The lack of enforcement of ethics laws and rules fuels cynicism about government at a time when it is already rampant. An August 2011 poll of likely voters by Rasmussen Reports found 43% of voters view most members of Congress as corrupt – and that was the good news.1 The number was down slightly from the previous month’s high of 46%.2 Congress and the president both bear responsibility for this sorry state of affairs. Members of Congress should stop offering pious speeches about the importance of ethics while failing to reform the toothless ethics process and rein in the influence of special interests. The president should take the long-overdue step of naming new FEC commissioners to replace those whose terms have expired and who should no longer be serving. Join CREW in calling for change and together, we’ll build a better Washington |
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and just how can it seem to you that i and others who want to see government spending cuts don't care about most of the people? seems you're using this logic; you care about most of the people. you don't want to see spending cuts. i want to see spending cuts. it must follow that i don't care for most of the people????????????
Well, it seems to me that to advocate policies that can be demonstrably shown to be detrimental to most of the people in the country, then that would seem to be an indication.There may be subtleties that i am not recognizing here. Further, I wouldn't be espousing opinions if I didn't think they were right. That would necessarily mean that I think that opposing views are wrong. That's how people argue politics. It wouldn't be a very coherent discussion to argue, "Well, I'm right and you're right but we just have different opinions, so we can just exchange views so that both of us can be right and nobody is wrong and we can both argue for the things that are good for most of the people in the country even if they are opposite things". |
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artlo
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Thu 09/22/11 05:41 AM
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Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington has come out with its list of the most corrupt members of Congress for this year. Not surprisingly, 12 of the19 mentioned (63%) have Rs after their names. The new members who came in in 2010 did nothing to improve the tally.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/page/-/PDFs/Reports/Most%20Corrupt%20Reports/CREW-Most-Corrupt-Report-2011.pdf?nocdn=1 |
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Topic:
The Obama jobs bill hoax
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The analysis in the original post is silly.
Thus as almost all economists recognize,
Huh? don't think that's going to pass the giggle test. To see why this is so, assume that $1million dollars is raised by taxation to, say, fund new staffing at the Environmental Protection Agency. No debate; public sector jobs get created. But note that the very same $1million cannot be spent by taxpayers on new washing machines or trips to Las Vegas or newspaper subscriptions. Thus for every job created by government spending there must be a tradeoff of jobs NOT created (or maintained) in the private sector of the economy. In economics, there is no free lunch.
The statement assumes that the people who hold those public sector jobs don't but washing machines or take trips to Las Vegas. When government funding runs out so do the jobs.
that's not what happened when Government funding for WWII ran out. |
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like you know what will work or not work... where did you take your economics and poly sci at?
Do you really mean to ask that? Have you ever heard of a Masters in Business Administration? You study lots of Economics in that program. Where did you take your economics and poly sci at? (We'll ignore ending our sentences with a preposition). |
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Military officials in Canada, Germany, Israel, and Sweden said that the presence of homosexuals has not created problems in the military because homosexuality is not an issue in the military or in society at large. We were told that a key reason the presence of homosexuals is not an issue in these countries militaries is that few homosexual military personnel openly identify their sexual orientation, as discussed earlier. For example, a 1984 report on homosexuality by Swedens Parliament stated that the silence surrounding homosexuals and homosexuality is virtually total. Swedish military personnel at all levels agreed that this silence is pervasive in the military.
Military officials from each country said that, on the basis of their experience, the inclusion of homosexuals in their militaries has not adversely affected unit readiness, effectiveness, cohesion, or morale. For example, Israeli officials said that homosexuals have performed as well as heterosexuals and have served successfully in all branches of the military since 1948. In Canada, where problems in these areas were predicted, military officials said none had materialized since the revocation of the policy banning homosexuals. They attributed the lack of problems to the military leaderships support of the new policy and the militarys ability to keep a low profile on the issue. German military officials said that their policies prevent problems because they allow for flexibility in dealing with homosexual individuals, and their service is restricted if necessary. http://dont.stanford.edu/regulations/GAO.pdf |
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Amazing! A 3-month old news flash. This is the kind of stuff the underpants-sniffers live for.
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Wed 09/21/11 08:15 PM
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do some research people, then make up your mind...
Fortunately, not a lot of research is necessary. Paul makes it easy. One only needs to listen to his own words. Paul is right on a few issues. The wars, the Federal Reserve, drug laws, prostitution and some others. The vast majority of his credo is boiler-plate social Darwinist Libertarian. Can't work, wouldn't work, willl never work for anybody but the top-predator few. |
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those are policies and procedures that should be addressed....not whether someone is openly gay or not.....really some people
Seems to me that these policies and procedures have been getting addressed for some years now. This is how America wants it. I think it's a great thing. "A couple of my best friends", I guess there's a point there . . . Nobody is demanding that anybody out themselves. Those who want the right to live openly and honestly now have that right. They can decide for themselves whether they want to risk being the victim of a hate crime. Afro-Americans don't really have that choice, but they do now have that right. I think they're the better for it. Whether or not someone is openly gay or not is the entire point of it. |
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Topic:
US Hikers Released
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artlo
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Wed 09/21/11 02:01 PM
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We should have threatened them with the ENTIRE 5th fleet. Send ALL of our ships off the coast of Iran and tell them they have 24 hours ro give us back he three kidnapped hikers and the missing\kidnapped FBI Agent or werecoming to get them. I guarantee we would have had them back within an hour.
It's re-assuring to know that we have armchair foreign relations experts among us who are in a position to guarantee things like this.I am indeed impressed. The hikers were convicted in Iran. No doubt, we would release convicted aliens to their parent countries if confronted by a bunch of boats floating off the eastern coast. I don't think Iran is that frightened of other countries, especially when thy have powerful allies in the region who could turn this little kerfuffle into a major international incident. Iran just isn't that weak and powerless. Tough talk from the masses is usually this naive. Not much thought going on here. Doesn't make much sense. China was very outspoken and they got their guy freed who actually committed a crime.
Could have something to do with the efforts by two Japanese Prime Ministers to foster more friendly relations with China. However, the "warm" relationship between the PRC and Japan has been revived by two Japanese Prime Ministers, Shinzo Abe and particularly Yasuo Fukuda whose father achieved to conclude the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the People's Republic of China. In May 2008, Hu Jintao was the first Chinese President in over a decade to be invited to Japan on an official visit, and called for increased "co-operation" between the two countries. A "forth" joint statement[10] by President Hu and Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China–Japan_relations#2000s
"The two sides resolved to face history squarely, advance toward the future, and endeavor with persistence to create a new era of a "mutually beneficial relationship based on common strategic interests" between Japan and China. They announced that they would align Japan-China relations with the trends of international community and together forge a bright future for the Asia-Pacific region and the world while deepening mutual understanding, building mutual trust, and expanding mutually beneficial cooperation between their nations in an ongoing fashion into the future". You draw more bees with honey. I don't think we're quite at that stage with Iran. |
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Topic:
US Hikers Released
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Let's see if the murder rates go up within the military ranks now that they or out.....or will the individuals hold to the dont ask dont tell policies anyways out of fear of hate crimes against them.
Generic Obamaphobe baiting. No substance. Just more cry-baby stuff. Deal with it! |
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Let's see if the murder rates go up within the military ranks now that they or out.....or will the individuals hold to the dont ask dont tell policies anyways out of fear of hate crimes against them.
Or . . . let's see if the suicide rates go down within the military ranks now that they are out. Are we actively looking for hypothetical reasons for why this might be a bad thing? Do we really care that much about murders in the military, or are we still just looking for reasons to repress gay people? LGBT people are adult and willing to take responsibility for any risk they may perceive in coming out. |
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