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Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

pretty clear, huh?

one must be born here, not in Kenya.

Only the founding father's generation could be born elsewhere.

Now get with the program.

debating among ourselves is not the point of this OP.

Help me find credibility to this article.

I want to know if this is true regarding the court order.

but not eligible to be a President. period.

McCain was born in panama on a US military base.

That is US soil.

He is legit.

2008 Ohio Presidential Guide
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Qualifications for Offices of President and Vice President
A candidate for the office of president of the United States must be a natural born citizen of the
United States, a U.S. resident for at least 14 years, and at least 35 years old on or before the day
of the election. (U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 1)
A candidate for the office of vice president of the United States must have the same qualifications
as a candidate for president.
Forms of Candidacy and Filing Deadlines
Forms of Candidacy
Presidential and vice presidential candidates must file jointly with, or be certified jointly to, the
Ohio secretary of state’s office (U.S. Constitution, Amendment XII; R.C. 3513.12, 3513.121).
Generally, a presidential candidacy may take one of the following forms in Ohio:
• Participation in a party primary as provided by law and party rules;
• Joint candidacy of a minor or intermediate political party having legal status in Ohio;
• Independent joint candidacy; or
• Joint write-in candidacy.
The form of candidacy determines the method by which candidates obtain access to the Ohio
ballot for the presidential primary or general election as discussed in this guide.

more about the author of this article.

http://www.jonchristianryter.com/Root/120.html

then if that is true, why the potential for a lie if he wasn't actually born in America, but in Kenya?

One must be born here to be a President.

Born HERE!

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Please help forward/copy/paste my post to radio stations, news stations, newspapers. We need this out there on national TV A.S.A.P.

We the citizens of United States of America need to know the TRUTH! I'm shocked as you should be too.

And answers to another posters concerns regarding his funding as well.

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someone steered me to this topic and the internet is rife with censoring of this article.

it took a bit to find it.

I am still looking for verification.

meanwhile, anyone up for finding a credible coroboration(sic) of this article?

So far, it is just a question.

That is how I am characterizing this OP.

The article had a different link that is gone now on another site.

Click this link to see it at the bottom of the article.

Something is not right with this.

Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County. Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter

this is the plaintiff in the court case.

JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

can this be true?

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=134286




JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

By Jon Christian Dryer

October 3, 2008

NewsWithViews.com

On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the United States?"

The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant white wife who was close to term.)

Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.

Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her son's live birth as an event which had just happened—in Hawaii. This supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.

While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy—even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.

Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County. Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen. Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.

1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and
2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."

In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items. Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...."

Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the presidential candidate," Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you must be a "natural born" citizen.

"There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

"Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii."

Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya Soetoro—with whom he was raised—seemed not to know where her own brother was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9, 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen.

Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved to Indonesia.

When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been enrolled in school—something that could not have happened under Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to an Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945." Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen married a foreigner—in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann Obama—she was required to renounce her US citizenship.

In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his citizenship—which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President. Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't legally hold his seat in the US Senate.

intellectual discourse in politics?


Let me get this straight.

Obama, as prime example, says nothing about erasing the National Debt.

He does, however, use federal borrowing capacity as a tool to bribe the 22% of taxpayers that actually vote the democratic ticket in hopes of usurping the reigns of power from all taxpayers by simply defeating the 21% of taxpayers that vote the republican ticket.

There is nothing intelligent about that.

It is elitist, however, to decry "folksy" conversation as unintelligent.

How is such straight talk a "war on intellectualism" ?

If bankrupting the public treasure to the benefit of a private bank is the expression of intellectual proficiency, I am an idiot.


In any event, idiots and intellectuals are equally bankrupted.

Treason is treason.

keep drinking that KOOL AID and washing doiwn those free lunches.

don't touch new arms.

they have a nasty audit trail.

best to be discreet.

he is no better.

they are all waxing us.

But obama is an accelerant, to be sure.

no obomba.


but in a couple of months, America will forget about this election and the philosophical, ethical and moral challenges before us, once again, and go on burying heads in the sand, pointing fingers, ignoring personal responsibilities, and generally running amuck in recreational pursuits, ad naseum.

While the National Debt unhinges the credibility of this nation's currency and "good faith and credit".


There is not one mention of this from Obama.

At the least, McCain acknowledges that the federal government is inept at doing anything efficiently and with sound economic principles, and he acknowledges that government spending MUST be reigned in.

That is paramount to political suicide, judging by the current trends in the polls.

That does more than suggest that OBAMA is a very real and present imminent danger.

By virtue of that distinction, OBAMA is incpmpetent and delusional in his willful ignorance of present realities which are rendering this nation bankrupt.

His handlers do not care either.

All I hear from Obama is a free lunch program being offered the voters with the most numbers, demographically speaking, that can buy him in for reward.


BULL$H!T. pure and simple

same same.





But using our friends in Washington as an example of not insulting the intelligence of the American people is an oxymoron.

More than half of the country doesn't vote at all.

The silent majority knows that our federal government is lying, and justifying a lie is complicity with condoning the acts prepetrated through lies.


That is a matter of conscience and matters of conscience do not give us political leaderslike the ones in Washington that commit high treason every year by burying this nation in public debt to a private bank.


Get with the program.


we are all getting screwed and begging for more of the same with politics as usual.


Keep drinking that KOOL AID. It seems to wash down those free lunches quite nicely, huh?

anything is possible, while it is still possible.

Let's get rid of the National Debt which is strangling us and depriving us of our freedoms and liberties.

That first step means not installing Obama as CEO and CIC.

WHY? because he will undoubtedly spend more than tax receipts tender the US Treasury, and he will borrow to implement his ideas, which he will call a necessary investment.

That is not an investment.

That is running away from facing reality and reality is that the National Debt is a runaway freight train with no stops until the train runs out of track.


All that Obama will do is borrow to build more track.

But momentum is against him.

In four years, our National Debt can be as high as 20 trillion without borrowing another dime.


How fast did it climb since Bush was in office?

It more than doubled.

Bush and Congress didn't spend that much, did they?

Where did it come from, then?

compounding interest, kids.


keep drinking that KOOL AID and washing down those free lunches.

What Americans do not realize is that we, as Americans, may be faced with a day soon in which we will default on the interest payments to the Federal Reserve Bank due for the National Debt.

At some point, the currency of the Federal Reserve Bank may become unlawful for use as legal tender currency in international transactions of commerce.

On the surface, that may sound like two entirely unrelated topics with no congruence, but beneath the surface, it is precisely the means to that end of establishment of a new international currency.


And that, my friends, is just as unconstitutional as the Federal Reserve Bank's influence has become in the operation of our government's role as defender of National Security from all enemies foreign and domestic, but consistent with the concept of "faith and good credit" of the US Government.

double post

NOT.

putting a political sign on the front lawn is no different.

It is pushing ones' personal views on ones neighbors.

it may offend half of them.

Chances are, that is the case, seeing that half of the country appears to disagree with Obama.

But then, the messenger IS the message, in both cases.


You can't have it both ways and be credible.