Be careful what you wish for... my boss says she got sick of just self-identifying as "White", and started chedking "Other", writing in "European-American"

Seems jury selection thought she was an under-represented minority, and she started getting selected MORE for jury duty.

I want reparations because I am left-handed. Everything in this country is designed for rightys, Had to have my golf clubs special ordered. Can never find a good selection of golf gloves either.

In other words "Don't confuse me with facts and proof, I KNOW my opinion"

Moe: I asked you before, but you still have not named them. What are these lies you refer to Obama saying? I gave you one free: "you can keep your own doctor" What are the rest of his Top 10?

You can't name the lies you say he told, so they must not exist.

Oh, and as a postscript to my last posting:

If the last months of Obama's presidency showed that we were heading for recession, the resulting recession, even though it happened during Trump's presidency, could not be blamed on Trump. It is the way it goes.

For example, some Dems say that there were TWO Bush recessions, one the beginning of his term, one near the end. That is not a valid statement. The market was cooling after the dot-com bubble burst, and a lot of money was taken off the table, by many means. Mostly it was people who didn't understand the market, and who should not have been in the market, buying stocks they disn't research because of "Fear of missing out" Clinton's previous Laziez faire (somebody correct my spelling) approach to the market during the bulk of his term was not a correct approach at the end. Lots of things like e-trading were also new, so it was a bit of uncharted water.

In any case, W inherited a tough economy which was not his doing. The "second" recession of his 8 years was all his, however.

Thanks for the clarification on BLM. No problems!

And the economy is doing good, but Trump can't take credit for it, he is riding off of the success that the previous administration had in pulling us out of the Bush Recession. If it had been 8 years of McCain Palin that faced down the same mess and fixed it, I would be giving THEM the credit. Trump has done nothing to spur the economy, you just have to look at the charts and see the straight line growth. There WAS a big bump in November 2016 that he can possibly take credit for (however, it happens every time the House, Senate and Exec Office are the same R or D), but those gains were again lost in Q1 2017, and the economy fell right back into the same line of growth they had been seeing in the last years of Obama.

Like I say, no matter which team won in 2008, they had a tough job ahead of them. Obama had to take some tough actions: when he took action and stopped the automatic re-upping of unemployment benefits, it started whittling down the unemployment numbers. One can argue that it was a "false improvement" because it just meant the long term unemployed were no longer being counted, so the number improved by attrition, but it broke a lot of folks off the dole too.

I get it, conservatives hate Obama, but only someone who doesn't understand economics can say that Obama and his team didn't take on a tough task with the economy and get it tuned up again. And Trump is just riding those results by taking no action.... As ANY succeeding president would have.

Hey, everything here is good news and positive introspection. Great to see that the economy continues to improve.

I also hope that these are good, well-paying jobs. We need taxpayers if we are ever going to solve this debt crisis.

Again with the name calling? And stating he has done "so much good for this country" is a hollow opinion. Prove what he has done.

Then you try to change the subject with BLM? WHERE did THAT come into the conversation about the 25th Amendment? HOW is that even close to being relevant? My god, you are arguing like the president now, rambling and grasping for anything.

Oh, and I will tell you AGAIN, you assume I am a Democrat. You are WRONG.

I will agree with you that "President Trump isn't going anywhere", because he just goes around in circles, blaming Obama, blaming this, blaming that, while nothing is getting done. N Korea denuked yet? Nope. Mexico paid for that wall? Nope. All of Obama's unconstitutional EOs rolled back? Well, yes, because it comes to pass, there weren't any. The list goes on, he is a fraud, and his followers are too scared to admit as much.

I don't know if Trump will finish out his term. It just seems that there are Republicans now that are examining ways to get him gone... Like I say, I heard it on Fox News, so it MUST be true.

Oh, this is GOOD. Socialists INVADING the Republicans? Are you serious? It looks like the Republicans themselves are trying to figure out how they can move on from Trump. Trump might be making them nervous with all the pissing off of the allies, etc. I am not sure, but the party might be breaking ranks with the president.

"I heard last week, that some firmly believe..." Cite your sources, or admit that that sounds like BS. I mean, I heard a bunch of stuff last night from a drunk in a bar, but I am not leading with that here.

"We fought a war because we wanted to be independent. Are we gearing up for another one? I think it's already started." That's exactly what I am saying, I think the Republicans are realizing that the demagogue at 1600 might not be in their best interest to keep around, and that they are planning to put another Republican in the chair. Like I say, I saw it on FoxNews, the Republican mouthpiece. If I saw it anywhere else, I could discount it as you all would, but it is coming from the oracle...

As stated, EITHER winner of the 2008 Presidential election would inherit a load of Chicken crap that needed to be made into chicken salad. That was the remnants of the Bush Recession, and the corporate bail outs which were given out.

EITHER president in 2008 would have had a tough road, and had to make tough decisions. To believe that recovery would have been less painful under a Republican is rather short-sighted.

Now, to take over an economy which is tuned-up again, as Trump did in 2016, and proclaim it is a Festivus Miracle, well, that is just bunk.

However, to put in a "tax cut" that benefits one class over the other, well, if one reads US history, there are many instances which show that such actions don't work.

To believe that this "tax cut" benefited working Americans is simply being foolish and uninformed. This was a gift for the rich.

A "middle class tax cut" is like a mermaid: people swear they exist, and the drawings of them make them look beautiful, but no one has ever seen one for real. And I don't care if it is a Dem or a Rep promising it, it does NOT exist.

And if they are saying, "but look, wages went up X, or unemployment is X", it is just apples and oranges, and they are snowing you.

Again, bring up Obama when you are losing a discussion? The OP was about how the Trump tax cut effected people, I stated that my "tax cut" was an increase.

Then you bring up stats about how wages have increased. What does one have to do with the other? I stated "MY taxes went up instead of being cut"

But since you bring up Obama, look at the indicators when HE took over (after the Bush recession), and look at those same indicators when Trump took over. I will give you a hint: Obama inherited a stalled economy (as McCain-Palin would have as well), where Trump took over an economy which was recovered. BIG difference.

ALL our pocketbooks hurt under Obama, they would have hurt just as much if McCain had won. This is not a Democrat-Republican argument, either side in 2008 would have had the same challenges in recovering from the Bush recession.

But for your boy to simply say "I fixed the economy" is as silly as if he said, "I made the sun rise!" Can't you see that?

But back to the tax "cut". If it cost middle-class workers more, and the middle class are the majority of the folks footing the bill, is it a tax cut, or an increase?

And your line "I don't care about your problems. I'm speaking of wages for American workers." is contradictory. I AM an American worker, in one of those blue states that funds the red states where the majority of welfare spending happens:

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

If my (as an American worker) wages go up, but my taxes go up MORE, did I get a pay increase, a tax cut, or just plain shafted?

Did YOU get a tax cut? Have you even looked yet?

You are arguing apples and oranges, and then when you are corrected, you result to name calling.

And you ***-u-me I am a Democrat? Wrong again! Thanks for playing!

That is what makes current wrinkles interesting. If, as you say, Pence or Sessions are the authors, it might be the Republicans themselves who are trying to arrange a softer way of doing the necessary, instead of the impeachment route.

In a different thread, I posted a link to this video on FoxNews

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-analyst-goes-off-075409063.html

We know that Fox is the Republican mouthpiece, and the video might be a way to broach changing president without Trump's supporters rioting in the street.

Republicans in Congress can certainly get the votes needed from across the aisle, if they want to change him out, and they put a long-serving one-of-their-own in place.

Sure, Dems want Trump out, but I think the WHOLE Congress is worried what the petulant Trump will do on a world stage during impeachment trials, when his massive ego can't take being told that he is "ineffective" being president. Start a war? Tell his devoteds to riot? Suggest that the media should be killed?

Face it, that piece never would have made it onto FoxNews if the Republican machine didn't approve it. It's a first act of a bigger play.

This might be "House of Cards" in real life: Pence as the "Frank Underwood" role, trying to knock out President Garrett Walker so he can take over the presidency and start toward his own incumbency. Republican strategists might be looking at this as the best way they can retain the WH in 2020, giving Pence a chance to build a record.

The 20th deals with circumstances around the DEATH of a president.

The 25th is, as I stated correctly, pertains to when the transfer of powers when the President is incapacitated (ie surgery), or when deemed by a body of congress as unable to do the job.


Thanks for playing.

"such other body as Congress may by law provide" This portion of the amendment has never been used in its 51 years. If the "body" named by Congress can demonstrate that the President is irrational, the President can be removed.

What you are detailing is the "temporary transfer of powers" that has been used numerous times in the 51 years, such as when a president goes under anesthesia. I believe since Sept 11, the "Cabinet member in the undisclosed location" during the State of the Union is done in accordance to both Article II and the 25 Amendment

Hey, they are even reporting on FoxNews that Trump doesn't have the "temperament" to perform the job, and if it is coming from the Republican mouthpiece Fox News (video on another thread), that sounds like the Republicans might be lining up to call in the relief pitcher. Some Reps might see this as a less disruptive move than going through impeachment

Follow me on this. I know it is tough for you, but:

1) NOBODY bashed Trump on this original response.
2) Obama is not doing anything unique, even though your subject title implies it.
3) If I start a topic, you are encouraged to join it, that is what this forum is about. Like I say, I truly enjoy your "arguments".
4) I would expect you to bring up Obama or Hillary in any thread when you interjected, because you have demonstrated you can't argue on point.

Clear Skippy?

What does one have to do with the other? I stated I was being shafted $6K more under this plan. It doesn't do me any good that somebody else got a raise, I am still on the hook for another 6K.

Jeesh, get a clue

... to become more "Fair and Balanced"

Actually, this might be a sign that the mainstream Republicans realize it is time to move on from Trump.

This URL contains a video from FoxNews explaining that the Trumpster might be a loose cannon on deck, "not having the temperament" to be in the job.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-analyst-goes-off-075409063.html

The mainstream Republicans might be scared that Trump will go down like a drowning man, and that "there is no telling what he might do"

I have to agree. If Trump says to his loyal cadre of HitlerYouth to go out and commit violence, we might see something akin to the riots of the 60's

I stated a simple fact that it is NORMAL for ALL ex-presidents to earn money on the speaking circuit. This deflated your Obama bash to just another news flash similar to "the sun came up this morning", and you got butthurt.

Oh, and I KNOW anyone can post in any thread... but truly, I do enjoy when you reply to things. Please do not stop posting, I sincerely get a kick out of your logic.

Shoot, Trump lies about everything else, from his inauguration crowd size to "all those executive orders Obama signed that were unconstitutional", he could not have at least paid tribute to a man who has had almost 50 years in public service? McCain did more good work for this country than Trump could even imagine doing. Even though I was not always on his side of the issue, I would take one hard-working McCain over 100 phony Trumps

Dave, thanks for your service!