Interesting piece of OPINION states how the 25th amendment might be another tool used by Trump opponents
(https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrat-trumps-deranged-behavior-boosting-bill-create-panel-remove-office-112014806.html)

"Under the 25th Amendment, if a majority of the Cabinet, along with the vice president, were to conclude in writing that the president is physically or mentally “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” he or she can be removed and replaced by the vice president. Were the president to challenge such a designation, Congress could still uphold the removal if two-thirds of both the House and Senate vote to do so."

With the strong speculation that VP Pence might have been the "senior WH official" who penned the recent Op-Ed piece, and if Bob Woodward releases the interview tapes proving the comments in his book are in fact true, the 25th could be used for the first time since being penned 51 years ago

The article continues "But Raskin, a former constitutional law professor who is a member of the House Judiciary Committee, noticed that, in additional to empowering a majority of the Cabinet to make the initial designation of incapacity, the 25th Amendment authorizes “such other body as Congress may by law provide” to do so. Yet in the 51 years since the 25th Amendment took effect, Congress has never set up such a body."

This "such other body as Congress may by law provide" might be a preferable route by the Republicans to remove Trump and get a more stable executive in the White House. This could be a move right out of "House of Cards", with Pence driving it.

Later, the Article states "[Raskin] said that one of the more disturbing indications of presidential incapacity is Trump’s penchant for “picking fights with individual citizens; picking fights with leaders of foreign countries; name calling; the insulting, impetuous abuse of people; constant provocations leveled at other people. That strikes me as completely bizarre and deranged behavior.”

You should prolly remove the '?' in the title and add an '!' mark...


I was googling 25th amendment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Basha, thanks for the Wiki URL.

Lol...CNN and MSNBC have you guys wrapped around their fingers... you'll believe any lie they want to say, and not only believe it, but live it and dream it too...

I absolutely LOVE how you reveal that in YOUR WORLD,you think that there are ONLY second rate partisan CABLE news channels to get your important information about current events from!!!


you need to check out ABC,NBC,and CBS!
unlike your cable propaganda channels that masquerade as 'news' sources,they only report FACTS...
not partisan propaganda!!

I dont know. As unpopular as it is to say, the document we call the constitution was written to be amended and changed, and loyalty to party has long replaced loyalty to the citizens. Im not sure of any VP that would break that 'party loyalty' mandate to oppose the POTUS. I actually heard a congressman talking about considering bringing charges against those who had said anything against the President in his administration, because they work for POTUS, that says it all.

you keep using the word facts...

I deserve that credit....you're welcome Petenh.......


Btw....
When Obama came in no one thought he'd be there for 2 terms....

Who can say for sure about trump... he'll prolly be the president for 4 terms...


Guys...I'm not from US....so don't take ma seriously and I'm not good being serious....but I'm good at hypothesis.

And as per my hypothesis trump will definitely be president for the entire first term...and a 70% chance for being president of the first half of the second term....and 40% chance for the entire second term~

Actually, you could not be more WRONG. I have not watched CNN or MSNBC in years, because I cut the cord a long time ago.

I get my news and opinions by READING. Then analyzing what I read, comparing it with opposing opinion, RESEARCHING, and looking for bias. I also rely on my education in things like US civics.

I don't allow any news outlets or orange-haired phonies to spin me.

For instance, this original post was about the US Constitution, the document Trump never read before his 3rd month in office. Remember when he promised in his first 100 days to reverse EVERY unconstitutional EO Obama signed in? Since all of Obama's EOs WERE constitutional (and Dear Leader would have known that if he had ever READ the Constitution), none got reversed.

I doubt Trump even read the book that was ghost-written for him.

Ms, I believe that Pence might want to get started on his presidency sooner, so that he is a strong incumbent for the 2020 election. The anonymous op-ed piece last weekend was a big torpedo in the water, and as I mentioned, if they push Woodward to defend his book by releasing the interview tapes as proof, the only one used to DC politics is Pence.

Remember that the Republicans were force-fed Trump as a candidate. I believe that many Republicans, if asked candidly and answered as such, would say they too are embarrassed by this buffoon-in-chief

If the VP and majority of cabinet send a written statement the pres. Is incapable of performing his duties to congress than the vp assumes the office if pres. Until the pres. Presents his statement that he can perform his duties, than he resumes the office. Than the vp has 4 days to repeat the procedure . There after congress will vote . They need 2/3 to make it stand

"such other body as Congress may by law provide" This portion of the amendment has never been used in its 51 years. If the "body" named by Congress can demonstrate that the President is irrational, the President can be removed.

What you are detailing is the "temporary transfer of powers" that has been used numerous times in the 51 years, such as when a president goes under anesthesia. I believe since Sept 11, the "Cabinet member in the undisclosed location" during the State of the Union is done in accordance to both Article II and the 25 Amendment

Hey, they are even reporting on FoxNews that Trump doesn't have the "temperament" to perform the job, and if it is coming from the Republican mouthpiece Fox News (video on another thread), that sounds like the Republicans might be lining up to call in the relief pitcher. Some Reps might see this as a less disruptive move than going through impeachment

no, what I'm stating is the 25 amendment section 4 . To remove the president you need 2/3 of both houses to vote him being removed. And all this must happen no later than 21 days after receiving written declaration.

The 20 amendment is the one dealing w/ temporary pres. power. Ratified in 1933.

for those following along at home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Or you need a majority of the President's cabinet including the Vice-President.

The leaks I am guessing were either Pence or Sessions. If they are Pence it could really mean trouble for President Trump. If they did try to remove him it would cause a major constitutional crisis trying to remove a rightfully elected President, it wouldn't fly with the voters and would backfire on the Democrats.

The 20th deals with circumstances around the DEATH of a president.

The 25th is, as I stated correctly, pertains to when the transfer of powers when the President is incapacitated (ie surgery), or when deemed by a body of congress as unable to do the job.


Thanks for playing.

incapable that means any thing that makes him unable to do his job. It takes 2/3 of both houses of congress to remove the president. The majority of his cabinet including the VP can only start the process . They Do Not have the power to remove him. Just as I stated correctly.

That is what makes current wrinkles interesting. If, as you say, Pence or Sessions are the authors, it might be the Republicans themselves who are trying to arrange a softer way of doing the necessary, instead of the impeachment route.

In a different thread, I posted a link to this video on FoxNews

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-analyst-goes-off-075409063.html

We know that Fox is the Republican mouthpiece, and the video might be a way to broach changing president without Trump's supporters rioting in the street.

Republicans in Congress can certainly get the votes needed from across the aisle, if they want to change him out, and they put a long-serving one-of-their-own in place.

Sure, Dems want Trump out, but I think the WHOLE Congress is worried what the petulant Trump will do on a world stage during impeachment trials, when his massive ego can't take being told that he is "ineffective" being president. Start a war? Tell his devoteds to riot? Suggest that the media should be killed?

Face it, that piece never would have made it onto FoxNews if the Republican machine didn't approve it. It's a first act of a bigger play.

This might be "House of Cards" in real life: Pence as the "Frank Underwood" role, trying to knock out President Garrett Walker so he can take over the presidency and start toward his own incumbency. Republican strategists might be looking at this as the best way they can retain the WH in 2020, giving Pence a chance to build a record.

You are arguing apples and oranges, and then when you are corrected, you result to name calling.

And you ***-u-me I am a Democrat? Wrong again! Thanks for playing!