Or wrapped in bacon and gently broiled...

I am sorry, it was not "any Liberal" who asked you, it was ME. And you do not know how I voted in any of the last elections, so your liberal stamp is unfounded

And I repeat, if there was any VERIFIABLE crimes and misdemeanors, why has the Cheato not brought this to light with EVIDENCE, not just accusations? I mean, he has claimed he has evidence, but why has it not come to light? He has been in office for 18 months, and it seems he has plenty of time on his hands (tweeting at 1AM), so "Where's the beef?"

There was a guy named Sen. McCarthy that got everyone scared that there were "200 communists in government", and he conducted witch hunts... Cheato doesn't even have enough speculation to start this up against Hillary... it is all in his mind. But yet you take it as fact.

Just wondering, where do you get the AUTHORITY to tell me that the case is closed "Period." Last I checked, I don't think you are an admin.

I am here because I am curious. Educate me why this guy is worthy of my admiration.

Workin4it,

I appreciate your answer, and really, I am trying to understand the opposing point of view. I truly am trying to see why I should change my opinion of this guy.

WHAT has this guy accomplished? I am not going to list again all the promises he has made that he has not followed through with. The stuff he takes credit for can be proven to be not his doing, and the stuff he has failed at is all buried by him as "fake news.

If you had an employee at your company that was getting such non-results in the position you gave to him, and he was blaming things like his tardiness and absenteeism on "the clocks are wrong" and "that calendar is incorrect", you would not put up it.

If the employee used excuses for not getting a task done like "the last guy who had the job sucked", or "the other person who you were interviewing for this job is crooked", you would say "yes, and the last person is gone, and we did not hire that other person, so blaming them is not important, and I need you to do YOUR job and stop talking about them!"

If your company had paid for marketing research that business decisions were being based on, and this employee was sharing it with your competitors, after the researchers said it should not be shared, you would be concerned, correct?

And if your new employee was ticking off some of your best customers, loyal buyers who have kept your company in business all these years, people who always pay on time, give you good Yelp reviews, etc. If the employee pissed them off, you would probably say something to him, right?

What if it came across that he said in the interview that he was trained in doing something that your company needed done, and then you found out that he lied about knowing how to do that? Would you keep him around? And when you ask him why he lied about it, he turns it around and says that HE didn't lie, you just don't know what you are talking about, he is DOING this better than anyone, and you just can't recognise it? What would you say to that employee?

Like I say, I am just trying to figure out WHY I should think that this employee of mine (he IS after all, a public servant, elected to serve ALL the citizens of this country) is more than a big bag of farts?

What crimes do you refer to, Toody? If there were any crimes that she committed, don't you think Cheato would have gotten her "locked up" so that he could change the attention from his own investigation?

The Dotard knows that his colluding with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary (remember he told the MAGA faithful that he would reveal everything on her "later in the week" on the very week the Russians were meeting at Trump Tower) will implicate him even further.

I am guessing if there was any evidence that she was dirty, he would have already paraded it down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol in a wheelbarrow, patting himself on the back all the way.

He LIED to all of you.

Exactly.

That's Hannity, the guy who uses the same lawyer as Trump? The same lawyer that just took a plea deal? Do you think Hannity might have a vested interest in this? Think he should recuse himself from commenting, in an effort to keep Fox News "Fair and Balanced"?

Oh, and by the way, in New England, we would never say "dine and dash". but rather "chew and screw", "screw" being a term not only used for you-know-what, but also for "leaving rapidly".... Like when the cop comes across a bunch of kids partying in a parking lot, he will just put up his thumb and say "All a ya, screw"

Glad you are amused. But this isn't "House of Cards", this is real life, and when this president of yours screws it up for the country, ALL of us are going to pay.

The phrase goes that "the fish stinks from the head down". This guy promised to "drain the swamp" and put the best people in charge. We are seeing guys who work for Trump taking plea deals at a level that is rivaling the Nixon staff. Innocent men don't take plea deals.

If you are saying Trump is THAT clean, but just made a bunch of bad decisions about the plea-bargaining crooks he surrounded himself with, I am going to guess you still believe in the Tooth Fairy.

If nothing else, all Trump did was re-stock the swamp with more reptiles, not drain it like he promised you.

When are you going to admit to yourself that he duped you? You voted for a phony. Me, when I get taken in by someone as two-faced and fake, I feel embarrassment, anger, and a responsibility to try to help fix the situation. But yes, first there is always denial.

Your Emperor has no clothes.

But yet, you have a connection to the internet to pose questions here. Shovelheaddave suggested you start using GOOGLE to educate yourself, as being naive of the charges just makes you look like you are being deliberately obtuse.

We get it, you WORK. you tell us that with every post. but if you have time to get on Mingle, you have time to research the facts on the charges against your POTUS, and why it is so serious

When meeting for a first time, I usually suggest a beverage. That way, there is a short amount of time before a natural "time decision"; do we both want the date to continue? (Early in online dating, I experienced a woman drinking the 'most painful glass of wine ever', we both realized that the connection was NOT there.... she was looking for her next-ex-husband/ alimony ticket, and I was looking for someone much less shrewish) When it is just a drink and you are just not feeling it, you can say "I have an appointment" or something else.

If we are having fun, I will suggest moving to the dining room for dinner, and I will pick up the tab. Nothing expected.

Pressuring a woman to play, because you bought her dinner, is neanderthal behavior.

Let me guess, "A vast right-wing conspiracy"? Or is it a "vast left-wing conspiracy"? The government is hiding that we have car engines that run on seawater too, right, but it is a conspiracy? Aliens killed JFK?

How can so many other objective websites get things wrong, but you unequivocally believe that Fox news is above reproach and gets EVERYthing right?

"The government"... We have idiots like Matthew Snowden being protected by Russia and leaking government secrets, but he didn't leak this "Truth" about McCain? Don't you think Trump would pay Putin with more US intelligence if they could produce for Trump "proof" that one of Trump's most vocal opponents in his own party was a sham?

Do you have a clue how many people would have to be in on such a conspiracy? I mean, just the 700 "peon seamen" on the ship (who were drafted into a war they didn't want to fight) would have had at least half a dozen come forward during the FIRST Obama campaign to bring this to light. This conspiracy is faker than the Cheato's combover.

As Bugs Bunny says, "What a maroon"

You sir, win the internet today.

Me, I thought it was a dyed skunk, the way it lifts its tail in a breeze...

And when in the 8 years previous to Obama's, anyone who was against W's agenda was considered "not a patriot". And now, when anyone goes against the Cheato, they "must be a liberal". WHAT is your point?

Enough with the labels! Muslims are not a race but a religion, you can's call it "Muslim racism". By saying "90% of blacks in jail belong there", you are implying (that damn "logic" again, that somehow gets missed by a lot of folks here on this board) that the non-blacks DON'T belong in prison. And what defines racism? When you make generalizations about someone based on his or her RACE!

Back to the TOPIC of this thread, and not the crap that was INSERTED into this thread by the same old whines. (How someone brought up OPEN BORDERS during this topic shows that people can't discuss ANYTHING on here without it going back to the Cheato's hot buttons)
- Is the motive just that the kid was eliminated, and lost his s--t?
- It was at a "gun-free zone", but does that mean all were wanded before they went in? And if he was wanded, where did he get the gun?
- How do we support the 2nd amendment and also curb this violence? Do we need to stop reporting it, so that the shooters no longer think they will get famous? Do we stop disclosing his (there has not been a female mass shooter yet, so I am not being sexist) name, and just refer to him as "the shooter"?

Enough with the rhetoric, tired labels, and useless "thoughts and prayers", AMERICANS are getting killed by their own. This doesn't happen in the other 162 countries on this planet. What do we do about this?

While I was cutting the grass today, I thought of another reason for ruling out a voter, which should be added to the above list

-f) If you have been married more than twice, you cannot vote. I will give anyone the "first time was a mistake" marriage, but if you keep tying the knot again and again, and still can't seem to get it right, you obviously have imprecise logical capacity and make bad decisions, and should not be allowed to vote

Oh, and EastWest, it is funny how you zeroed in on the pee, but you failed to talk about any of these 'acid tests' and how they all apply to your vaulted leader. (and if you haven't heard about the peeing hookers video that Russia has of Trump, what rock have you been under for the past 6 months?)

Look it up, Romney put this same plan in in Massachusetts years before Obama was in the White House.

And some idiots in this country wanted Romney as president.... the guy is such an empty suit that when the wind blows, he whistles. Funniest thing was election night at Logan Airport in Boston, all the private planes that brought rich folks to Romney's victory party. They said by 9PM that night, it was a traffic jam on the taxiways over there, all the special interest money folks were in such a hurry to get out of there.

ACA also rebuilt the country's medical infrastructure through programs such as "Meaningful Use". I was working in the sector, and saw hospitals in the midwest that were supposed to be "the best trauma center in the region", but were in scarier shape than some of the worst hospitals in New England. They are not as scary anymore, thanks to Obama's incentive programs.

Also saw a hospital in Arizona that is the state's leading hospital for cavity searches (I am NOT making this up). That is what the sherrifs in the area specified for everyone who was booked, speeding on the interstate to murder.

This country mystifies me at times.

Not while Kaiser and Aetna (and the others) are paying the freight. The insurance lobby in Washington is bigger that Big Tobacco's lobby.

As the insurance companies eat up the drug houses too, like Aetna buying the CVS chain of drug stores, look for less and less of your meds to be covered by insurance. "No, you don't get the brand name, you either get the generic equivelent (made in Mexico), or you buy it yourself. Don't worry, the generic works almost as good... we think."

trust me, the insurance lobby got to Trump, that is why he let THAT "first 100 days promise" go as well.

Watch for the acquisitions that GE Healthcare and Philips Healthcare make in the next few months too. Greedy times in the corporate healthcare industry.

Well, before it was labeled "Obamacare", it was instituted in Massachusetts as "Romneycare". Insurance lobby had Romney in their pocket in the state, Romney originally ran on "clean up the usurious auto insurance market in Massachusetts", but once he got in, he rolled over and got into bed with all insurance companies.

In Massachusetts (a no-fault auto insurance state), for the longest time we couldn't get GEICO or Progressive, they refused to write policy in the state. Travelers actually founded a separate entity called "Charter Oak Insurance" to write policy here and keep it separate from Travelers pockets.

Don't blame Obama for insurance hijacking ACA.

And the side of Obamacare no one gives credit to is the standards of national infrastructure it raised and funded in hospitals. I am spoiled by my good levels of hospitals on the East Coast, and was shocked to see what low levels trauma centers were in in other parts of the country. Obama's policies fixed a lot of that, and we should be thankful.

I definitely agree with you on the work he did during 9/11. Class act.

Don't know what he is thinking being Trump's mouthpiece. I am guessing he has been away from actually practicing law for too long that he does not remember what is legal or not.

If you will recall from that time, McCain and Stockdale organized the POWs who were being interviewed by TV journalists (after being cleaned up and given clean POW uniforms, etc) to blink in Morse code "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" so the viewers would know that they were being coerced

Toody, I will continue to afford this president all the respect afforded by the right to the last president while he was in office. Should not be hard to accomplish. If he stops being a sleaze, I will double that respect.

As far as 2020, you know that is over 2 years away, right? You expect the next candidate to be already campaigning? Besides, Donnie will probably have sold us down the river to Russia by then.

As far as who we have heard is running, I heard that Oprah saw that Trump bought the last election, and that she might try to buy the role in 2020 for her, with Gail as her VP. I also heard that Mickey Mouse got more write-in votes than Trump in 2016, but that since Mickey had morals, he was disqualified for office.